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DaturaStramonium
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Jingleman wrote:

I agree that the Hut would be a pretty weak choice of ark.


Yeah, if we all can agree on one thing, it's definitely this. One of the most important enigmas of the series will probably be a bit more prolific. I would only condone a 'weak' choice if it really worked for the storyline.

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Jingleman wrote:

Which video implied that the ark can kill people? Is that how you're interpreting "Decay" ("(He will) lead me to death")? I don't know. That's more specific than I remember TTA ever being.


Decay also implied the ark had something to do with possibly dying.

IIRC, the text went "he will lead me to the ark" "lead me to death". There's something pretty serious about it and it sounds to me like it can kill people.

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Maybe the Ark IS death. There is no other escape from slendy.

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BlankSlate wrote:
Maybe the Ark IS death. There is no other escape from slendy.


This actually makes a lot more sense than anything else I've heard.

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It does sound possible, but why would totheark need Jay and Tim working together to lead them to killing themself?

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Toadbert wrote:
It does sound possible, but why would totheark need Jay and Tim working together to lead them to killing themself?


Alex needs to die first? I dunno.

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I'm going to say it one more time.

There is literally no evidence that the ark is anything but a metaphor. The only places we've seen the phrase "to the ark" are in the channel name and in the videos made by the channel. If we're going to take the ark to be some super important key to the mystery that is Marble Hornets, why aren't we looking for the lakes that, in stillness, are going to kill everybody one night? Why aren't we looking for the doors unopened? Why aren't we trying to figure out every other piece of cryptic shit that has come out of that channel? Just because this particular piece of cryptic shit has recurred three times? Yes, that's right, it's only been said three times.

No, the ark is, at present, far more likely to be just another cryptic term from our creepy mutual friend. I find it more likely that it is simply a metaphor referring to the resolution to the conflict with Alex and the Operator. Until such time as a character actually makes reference to some tangible thing, we have no reason to assume the ark is anything but a metaphor at best, except for delusion.

EDIT: Since I saw someone mentioning frequency of mentions of the ark, I'll point out that it wasn't mentioned at all in season 2. It was mentioned in the channel name, in Entry ######, and in Decay.
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It was also mentioned in the last frame of Exit.

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Three years of buildup for a metaphor would be pretty anticlimactic. Of course, the word "ark" is more about the connotations of a refuge or safe container, whether for people or objects, than any literal meaning as a box or boat. In that sense, almost any use of the "ark" label takes on some degree of metaphor and poetic license.

Still, the fact that the channel name and presumed self-proclaimed name of one of the central antagonists of the series focuses on a quest "to the ark" is such a strong indication that it's more than just whatever the climax of the story is, that I can't believe that it's merely a metaphor. We just know nothing about it.

In fact, if we're talking about what there's "literally no evidence" for, then there's literally no evidence that it is a metaphor. All we know about it is that TTA thinks it's something to which Jay will lead him. It could literally be anything, real or imagined. We have no evidence either way. That being the case, I don't see why the default position would be "metaphor" in a series where impossible, supernatural things happen all the time, and defeating the main antagonist would apparently require something more than natural means.

"Lakes in stillness" were just code for "LISTEN." "Doors unopened" was about calling Jay back to the house. Most of the cryptic stuff has been fulfilled or solved, and even where it hasn't, most of it is just one-off riddles. The "ark" keeps coming back. It's in the channel name. It's in the description of almost all of TTA's videos. That makes it different than the normal crypticism.

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Since we're talking about this phrase again, I first interpreted it as "the Ark is The Operator."

My thought process was that The Operator was a freaky faceless thing that made people disappear. Like Death. Also with the usage of "him," it sounded like he wanted to be lead to a man. Like SlenderMAN. And the whole thing sounded like it was referring to a single subject.

No idea how that could work now, but there you have it.

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ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY TROY.
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Lithp wrote:
Since we're talking about this phrase again, I first interpreted it as "the Ark is The Operator."

My thought process was that The Operator was a freaky faceless thing that made people disappear. Like Death. Also with the usage of "him," it sounded like he wanted to be lead to a man. Like SlenderMAN. And the whole thing sounded like it was referring to a single subject.

No idea how that could work now, but there you have it.

I could believe that "to the ark" means "to the Operator" if the actual ark is the place the Operator takes his victims. Like, maybe, the ark is where he takes his victims, and for whatever reason, TTA thinks it's the place to be. Maybe he was there and was ripped out of it, and wants to get back, no matter what the cost -- sort of like Dr. Soran and the Nexus in Star Trek: Generations. If that's the case, then leading TTA to the ark would be a bad thing, preserving TTA as a villain while simultaneously allowing him to oppose the Operator; Jay and Tim would be fighting on two fronts.

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Jingleman wrote:
Three years of buildup for a metaphor would be pretty anticlimactic. Of course, the word "ark" is more about the connotations of a refuge or safe container, whether for people or objects, than any literal meaning as a box or boat. In that sense, almost any use of the "ark" label takes on some degree of metaphor and poetic license.


The point is that there IS no buildup - only what fans have gotten in their heads. Do I fault The Dark Knight Rises for not including Damian Wayne despite my anticipation of that occurring? Nope.

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Still, the fact that the channel name and presumed self-proclaimed name of one of the central antagonists of the series focuses on a quest "to the ark" is such a strong indication that it's more than just whatever the climax of the story is, that I can't believe that it's merely a metaphor. We just know nothing about it.


A quest to the solution to the Alex/Operator conflict is all that needs to be suggested by the channel name given what we know about the people who run it.

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In fact, if we're talking about what there's "literally no evidence" for, then there's literally no evidence that it is a metaphor. All we know about it is that TTA thinks it's something to which Jay will lead him. It could literally be anything, real or imagined. We have no evidence either way. That being the case, I don't see why the default position would be "metaphor" in a series where impossible, supernatural things happen all the time, and defeating the main antagonist would apparently require something more than natural means.


Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There is no evidence that the ark is a physical thing, and nothing in TTA's other videos or statements has been a physical thing - the twins, the lakes, etc. - all cryptic references to things that are metaphorical or simply cryptic. Thus, the constant assumption that the ark is in reference to something is unfounded UNTIL SUCH TIME as a reference to it being a physical thing is made. UNTIL THAT TIME, it should be treated like EVERY OTHER message that comes out of TTA's channel.


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"Lakes in stillness" were just code for "LISTEN." "Doors unopened" was about calling Jay back to the house. Most of the cryptic stuff has been fulfilled or solved, and even where it hasn't, most of it is just one-off riddles. The "ark" keeps coming back. It's in the channel name. It's in the description of almost all of TTA's videos. That makes it different than the normal crypticism.


More important? Yes. Different? Not at this time. It's unsolved, and that's different - but there is, again, no evidence that it isn't anything other than TTA's crypticism. Until it's referenced in the main series explicitly, there is no reason to assume anything.

And because you people are jumping to conclusions based on no evidence, you're going to be disappointed when the "Ark reveal" doesn't happen, or is simply revealed as a further crypticism.
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Haha, absence of evidence that it's literal isn't evidence that it's metaphorical. Besides, "doors" were literal. A lot of people think "the twins" were literal (real, anyway), as Masky and Hoody. Alex's birthday was literal. "The trees" was literal. "Watching you" was literal. Every time TTA mentions the ark, it is as something reachable. "Where is the ark?" "You will lead us to the ark." "He will lead me to the ark."

The only conclusion anybody's jumping to is that the ark is a completely mysterious, but probably reachable, thing that could fit the description of nearly anything that gets introduced in the series, physical or otherwise. But in a supernatural series that will require more than a metaphor to survive, with only this one thing mentioned repeatedly as an ultimate goal, the onus is on those who would say it's merely metaphor to show evidence, not the other way around. It's presented as if TTA believes it's real; therefore assuming it's merely metaphor is the unfounded leap.

And the word "ark" appears in the description tags and channel name of dozens of videos, plus the direct mentions in the videos, over the course of three years. That counts as buildup that an "ark" is important. "What we know" about the creators is debatable and subjective and most importantly, OOG.

As for disappointment, even if it's not real, they are going to have to address what TTA thinks it is. That will be enough either way. And don't tell me you wouldn't be disappointed if they fail to mention it all, not confirming it either way. Then you'd have to deal with "the ark is literal" theories until the end of time.

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The point is that there IS no buildup - only what fans have gotten in their heads.


Are you trying not to get this because you think it's cool, or something? It's Totheark's entire freaking motive. He named himself after it.

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