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[VIDEO] Isolation
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Jingleman
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Lithp wrote:

You're expecting proper grammar from Totheark?

Seriously, though, I don't know what to say about this. Has he really not made any mentions of "finding the ark" since he said, "found you"?

I don't necessarily expect him to remember that, for example, "whom" is always an objective case pronoun, but I try to assume that everybody has a basic level of competence until proven otherwise. I don't know; that particular subject-verb agreement seems basic enough to be natural.

TTA has referenced finding the ark since "Return," most notably in "Entry ######," therefore it's not reasonable to think that "found you" implies that TTA had found the ark itself. I read Kimren's post as a theory that "found you" meant that TTA realized that Jay was the one he'd been looking for in his quest for the ark. If he meant that Jay really was the ark itself, then no. Maybe I misconstrued the theory in an effort to give benefit of the doubt. Either way, I don't see much revelation in either "Return" or "Isolation," only Hoody lamenting the Operator's persecution.

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:46 pm

Lithp
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Not that it's important, but in my experience, people tend to have difficulty with subject/verb agreement when the subject is implied, but not stated.

Anyway, re-reading, he does use the phrase "key to the Ark" before he says, "I have found the Ark." Weird.

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:00 am

Spritey
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I agree that Jay is in some way essential to finding the ark

And it could be due to the Operator's disinterest in him, as seen in Return

Seriously, the #1 thing I always got out of Return is "Slendy's back, but he doesn't give a shit about you, Jay"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:39 am

adanufgail
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Jingleman wrote:

TTA has referenced finding the ark since "Return," most notably in "Entry ######," therefore it's not reasonable to think that "found you" implies that TTA had found the ark itself. I read Kimren's post as a theory that "found you" meant that TTA realized that Jay was the one he'd been looking for in his quest for the ark. If he meant that Jay really was the ark itself, then no. Maybe I misconstrued the theory in an effort to give benefit of the doubt. Either way, I don't see much revelation in either "Return" or "Isolation," only Hoody lamenting the Operator's persecution.

This is kinda supported by the "He will lead me to you, to death, to the ark" line in Decay.

We see that people with Slender sickness give off EM/Camera-mess-up signals. Tim/Hoody, Masky, Jessica, Jay, and Alex do this. Tim is the only one to cause distortion during the original shooting. He also does not cause distortion when he is angry at Jay in the parking lot. I think I should also mention that to the best of my knowledge, Tim is never alone and visited by TO either. (Entry 17 has Alex, 45 has Alex, 51 Alex, 54 Alex, 56 Alex). Now as Alex has never ACTUALLY discussed Tim, I'm led to believe that if Tim has been followed by TO, maybe he's been Alex's friend since childhood, but just forgot as to better cope. That's unlikely though, unless they turn up photos or something.

An aside,

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Jessica is seen coughing at the end of 52, prior to going into the hotel, implying she has at least a moderate level of slender-sickness. From the timeline, she shouldn't have encountered TO yet. Unless Alex/Masky gave it to her, she had prior experience with TO. I think it's implied that Alex was living in the town next to Rosswood Park, so why didn't Jessica just go home? I wouldn't be surprised if Alex has a hidden tape of him visiting Jessica when Amy first went missing, bring TO with him.

Now that that's out of the way, I call the next entry (or in the next few, whenever Hoody is revealed) is

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going to be Brian. Just my guess.

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:14 am

xemnasvii
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It's kinda obviously Brian. But that gives an edge to flip it around. How insidious.

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:51 am

Kimren
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Jingleman wrote:

Lithp wrote:

You're expecting proper grammar from Totheark?

Seriously, though, I don't know what to say about this. Has he really not made any mentions of "finding the ark" since he said, "found you"?

I apologize. I got caught up in getting my theory from my head into words, I forgot to proofread for content, not just grammar.

What I said first is what I meant; Jay is a key/catalyst to the Ark, not the Ark himself. If Jay were the Ark, why would we have an additional 40+ Entries?

adanufgail wrote:

This is kinda supported by the "He will lead me to you, to death, to the ark" line in Decay.

(Just a general remark about Decay before I move back to my theory: I feel like the "he" is Tim in this context. The first part of the video is, to me, addressed towards Alex. Alex chose the wrong path, ergo, he will not be forgiven. The "he" in the second portion, however, seems more like Tim to me. Before the first prophecy, it shows a clip that was shot by Tim in Brian's house. That sort of "sets up" who TTA is talking to. Jay is the "object" in the shot, and is the "object" of the sentence- you. Tim was there, but he's off camera; an "implied" entity, like the vague "he". Absolutely none of this would make sense if not for Entry #62. TTA is getting ready for the end, because he has the vessel and the key for the Ark in one location (presumably, the location where the Ark is at, with the wooded area shot before "he will lead me to the Ark" at the end). Which ALSO makes sense OOG, for reasons I will talk about in a minute.)

I like to think that this response is a lot of insight into the OOG planning for the series. Troy's newest blog post says that they have been writing backwards for awhile; they knew how they wanted to end it, they just didn't know how to get there. Decay is only 5 months old. To me, that seems to be a pretty acceptable range of time for them to start thinking about the end. The lack of clear foreshadowing besides "Lead me to death" could be explained OOG by how they approached writing this, or IG by TTA just straight up not being sure how s/he will end, just that s/he will.

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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:05 am

Jingleman
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Kimren wrote:

The first part of the video is, to me, addressed towards Alex. Alex chose the wrong path, ergo, he will not be forgiven. The "he" in the second portion, however, seems more like Tim to me. Before the first prophecy, it shows a clip that was shot by Tim in Brian's house.

I disagree. The whole video ("Decay") is TTA speaking to Alex, even when TTA is talking about a "he." The way it's presented indicates that the "he" is Jay. The video is initially focused on "you" (Alex), then switches to a clip of Jay before TTA says (to Alex), "he will lead me to you." Eventually, without changing pronouns, TTA says, "(He will) lead me to the ark." Since we already know that Jay's the one who'll lead TTA to the ark, it stands to reason that Jay's the one who TTA meant in the first place. Tim doesn't appear in the video, and it's not clear that Tim shot the clip of Jay's coughing fit. It could have been Hoody, and indeed, we've seen Hoody use a camera more than once, but we've never seen Masky use one. Whoever shot the clip notwithstanding, it seems clear to me that TTA meant that he was going to use Jay to oppose Alex.

Now, there is an interesting bit of "Decay" that ties in with "Isolation" (see how I keep trying to keep this thread related to that video? Smile

). The numerical code near the end translates to "No choice." In light of "follows all," which I think may be the first direct admission that TTA is being stalked by the Operator, "no choice" may mean that TTA's manipulation of Jay and his opposition to Alex are a survival plan. That is, if TTA is being "followed," then his obstacles to survival are Alex and TTA's own need for the ark. He has no choice but to use Jay to solve both of those problems. Why Jay? We don't know yet.

By the way, on a minor previous point, the implied subject in "Decay" tends to show that TTA doesn't struggle with subject-verb agreement in cases like "Isolation:" "(He) follows all."

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:50 pm

Animal
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I think that's one of the things I find really interesting about TTA is that he doesn't just address Jay and he never is really completely direct with who he is addressing, Definitely adds a really cool dimension to the vids

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:58 pm

Spritey
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adanufgail wrote:

Now as Alex has never ACTUALLY discussed Tim, I'm led to believe that if Tim has been followed by TO, maybe he's been Alex's friend since childhood, but just forgot as to better cope. That's unlikely though, unless they turn up photos or something.

What if we get a whole new sack of tapes from back when Tim and Alex were kids? :U

And regarding the "totheark is probably brian" thing, I can agree that it's PROBABLY Brian. I just think it should be Seth, considering he's the one who would know the most about filming/editing/cameras.

And I feel like they wouldn't have bothered bringing Seth back for that five-second appearance if they weren't going to use him for something further.

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:28 pm

McGregor
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Spritey wrote:

And I feel like they wouldn't have bothered bringing Seth back for that five-second appearance if they weren't going to use him for something further.

I said the exact same thing to myself. I definitely think we'll be seeing more of him sometime in the future.

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:49 pm

Animal
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McGregor wrote:

Spritey wrote:

And I feel like they wouldn't have bothered bringing Seth back for that five-second appearance if they weren't going to use him for something further.

I said the exact same thing to myself. I definitely think we'll be seeing more of him sometime in the future.

Don't forget the S that has shown up twice in TTA videos, which is in my opinion, stood for an initial. More evidence to Seth

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:45 pm

Jingleman
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Animal wrote:

McGregor wrote:

Spritey wrote:

And I feel like they wouldn't have bothered bringing Seth back for that five-second appearance if they weren't going to use him for something further.

I said the exact same thing to myself. I definitely think we'll be seeing more of him sometime in the future.

Don't forget the S that has shown up twice in TTA videos, which is in my opinion, stood for an initial. More evidence to Seth

That "S" was a lower-case Greek sigma of a type that cannot be used as the beginning of a word, like the beginning of someone's name. It can only be used as the last letter of a word, so I think it's more likely a symbol of termination or the end.

As far as Seth knowing more about cameras or editing, we have no reason to think that. Not only are amateur student films like this one unlikely to have a dedicated cameraman, we also know that they were using cheap consumer cameras - the kind that little old grandmothers pick up to film Christmas morning with no trouble. Foolproof. Plus, we have no idea who was doing the editing, but on a small scale amateur project, the usual editor will be the director. Either way, we have no indication that Marble Hornets was produced with equipment or techniques that would imply any special skill or knowledge on the part of any member of the crew. Besides, the only time we've ever seen anything about Seth operating a camera was in #9, when he was chastised for doing it incorrectly.

I think Seth's chances to be TTA are virtually indistinguishable from Brian's, and that has everything to do with them disappearing around the same time. I don't find these other points compelling enough to call them evidence for Seth.

EDIT: On Seth being reintroduced this season: that may be to foreshadow him as TTA. However, it may just foreshadow a reveal of where he's been, i.e. Seth might be the one through whom we learn what the Operator does to his victims. Or, it could mean nothing more than OOG, the actor had a free afternoon to help out. It was so brief that I don't think it means much at the moment. His reintroduction is a stronger point than the others but I don't see it as much help either way.

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:08 am

paladin181
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Jingleman wrote:

Animal wrote:

McGregor wrote:

Spritey wrote:

And I feel like they wouldn't have bothered bringing Seth back for that five-second appearance if they weren't going to use him for something further.

I said the exact same thing to myself. I definitely think we'll be seeing more of him sometime in the future.

Don't forget the S that has shown up twice in TTA videos, which is in my opinion, stood for an initial. More evidence to Seth

I was actually thinking much the same thing. Much of the cast are amateur filmmakers. They would ALL have a rudimentary knowledge of video editing and camera work, as well as ideas for decent equipment on a low budget. Further this point by saying that Seth was only ever proven to be inept in Alex's eyes. Also, there's no really strong evidence to support ANYONE as TTA/Hoody. I'm just going to wait and see.

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:50 pm

Serum
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I'm still laughing at the fact that people believe that TTA is Brian or Seth-- they're dead. Dead people don't carry around cameras and make vaguely threatening video responses. It's either Jessica, Alex or Jay.

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:24 pm

paladin181
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Serum wrote:

There's nothing supporting that they are dead in any way shape or form. Making assumptions like that is just folly. As is assuming that we have already met the character that is TTA

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:26 pm

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