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Yuki
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Lithp wrote:
Yuki wrote:
Lithp wrote:
I am going to make a bold claim here:

Alex is not the villain that everyone seems to want to think he is.

If Alex wanted to harm them, why would he call them, tipping them off that something was about to happen? He did not need to spur them on, as they were already going to the end of the tunnel. Making them trust him doesn't make sense, as he's tried to kill them on multiple occasions, a phone call isn't really going to make up for that. Besides, why bother? If they were just going to get Operated on, he doesn't need to do any kind of subtle manipulation.

So why did he try to shoot Jay in the first place? Probably an effect of the extreme paranoia & mental instability that The Operator induces.


I don't think the phone call was at all meant to be helpful; it was a threat. Considering we've seen Alex purposefully lead people to The Operator, he tried to shoot Jay and Jessica when seeming to be in his right mind, and he's so desperate to get rid of Jay that he'd kill a stranger he mistook for Jay due to mental duress...


He says, "Leave. Now." If he wanted to threaten them, why not something like, "It's too late to leave." Or something.

Then again, these are the same people who thought that a ghost story about Slenderman was the logical way to foreshadow Alex's malicious intentions.


I feel like if it were a warning, it would have been "You need to get out of there, quick" or something. "Leave. NOW." just sounds like Alex is pissed and more than willing to hurt them if they don't obey him.

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Lithp
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A warning just has to be helpful, it doesn't have to be polite, or even particularly altruistic. And Alex has always been rude & aggressive, even when he was helpful.

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RawrItsLiv
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Lithp wrote:
A warning just has to be helpful, it doesn't have to be polite, or even particularly altruistic. And Alex has always been rude & aggressive, even when he was helpful.


Look back to earlier entries when they were filming Marble Hornets. Alex wasn't acting malicious. Entry 20 and Entry 54 come to mind.

He has changed and not for the better. Like Yuki said with Alex saying "Leave. NOW." he sounds malevolent. He also killed someone who he thought was Jay and potentially led others to their deaths. He is not a good person right now.

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Yuki
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Lithp wrote:
A warning just has to be helpful, it doesn't have to be polite, or even particularly altruistic. And Alex has always been rude & aggressive, even when he was helpful.


Warnings do not have to be helpful. Ever heard of a warning shot?

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Stanislav
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Warning shots help you to not be shot.

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pravado
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so here's a loose theory to think about

im starting to think the operator attaches to one person at a time and that alex isn't necessarily "evil", he just sacrificed his friends to stop being stalked himself (i guess tha does make him evil but not in the traditional sense).

in entry 40, jay encounters the operator and alex is shocked, and then that same day alex goes back and lets himself get taken purposely. for the next 3 entries, we see the operator focus on alex in and around his new home, but we have no footage from jay that proves that the operator was bugging him throughout the 7 months.





think about this: if tim, jay, and alex were all able to make it back alive after being taken by the operator (tim in 51/57, alex in 44 and 43, and jay in 23) then this should mean that everyone else has been able to as well.


so in the order of events




tim leads him to alex (entry 54/12/whatever, at some point we know it happens bc of tim's childhood experience)

alex leads the operator back to tim

alex goes through season 1 footage with the operator

alex leads the operator onto seth (entry 22) - who becomes hoody/totheark. seth lives with the operator following him for 3 years after alex moves away

in entry 16, jay starts having a coughing fit bc the operator was in the house (bc seth was in there with him)

at some point alex takes the operator back (before entry 26)



you know what, fuck it. this theory doesn't work because even if the operator latched onto jessica in entry 52 after jay touched him somehow, that doesn't explain entry 60. i'm not going to delete it in case anyone wants to work on this, but if it makes no sense its bc i didn't bother to go back and edit things

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Animal
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I actually liked it, but i'm more willing to believe that Tim, Alex, Jessica, (maybe Seth) have been stalked since childhood and Jay, Brian, ect are just victims of the operators presence but don't seem to be directly stalked.

Your theory is interesting though. I like the idea that TTA actually worked with the operator for 3 years. That would explain some of the early TTA videos, most notably return

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SaigoSentinel
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Here's a theory that I can't seem to shake. Sorry if this has been thought of already, but here we go.

What if the Operator runs on a sort of...Camera-man system. He can't appear unless he's being filmed, which would explain why Alex so desperately stopped production of Marble Hornets and hid his camera, until his girlfriend (I forgot her name) found it again and what happens? The Operator shows up.

What if, by some chance, the ending to this whole debacle could be the disabling/deletion of the Marble Hornets YouTube account, and forcing people to buy the DVDs to see how it ended? It sounds like a great marketing tactic, but it would suck for us in the long run.

Who knows, this theory has just been shaking around in my head for a while. Feel free to expand upon it if you want.

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Yuki
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Stanislav wrote:
Warning shots help you to not be shot.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warning_shot

Warning shots are threats, not helpful.

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pravado
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if it is true, it implies that return was totheark leading the operator away from jay, which also implies that totheark knew about the "clinging" thing and was leading him away from jay (also showing jay that the operator could be "toyed with" if you will)

it just trips me up that the operator doesn't bother jay by himself anymore. even in entry 60 we knew someone else must have led him there. if he doesn't want jay, there has to be a reason. he doesn't seem to want tim either, as tim hasn't reported anything out of the ordinary. so if he's strictly focused on alex, why again after all this time

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Gold Knight
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SaigoSentinel wrote:
What if the Operator runs on a sort of...Camera-man system. He can't appear unless he's being filmed, which would explain why Alex so desperately stopped production of Marble Hornets and hid his camera, until his girlfriend (I forgot her name) found it again and what happens? The Operator shows up.

I agree that there's some sort of connection between Amy filming Alex in #26 and the Operator reappearing. However, Entry #2 showed that the Operator could appear without being filmed, since Alex apparently saw it when driving home without a camera on.
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What if, by some chance, the ending to this whole debacle could be the disabling/deletion of the Marble Hornets YouTube account, and forcing people to buy the DVDs to see how it ended? It sounds like a great marketing tactic, but it would suck for us in the long run.

I am absolutely certain Troy and co. wouldn't end it like that.

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Lytrigian
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SaigoSentinel wrote:
What if the Operator runs on a sort of...Camera-man system. He can't appear unless he's being filmed, which would explain why Alex so desperately stopped production of Marble Hornets and hid his camera, until his girlfriend (I forgot her name) found it again and what happens? The Operator shows up.

I'm pretty sure the main connection with a camera is that it renders The Operator relatively powerless to erase memory. While he may exude some kind of aura that disrupts electronics, very likely he can't affect them deliberately. Perhaps their operation is so alien to him that he can't comprehend them. All he knows is that the camera forms external memories that his victims can use to remember him with even though he does not wish it.

My guess is that it's not so much that Amy picked up A camera as one of THE cameras which had recorded The Operator before, and this impelled him to try and put a stop to it once more.

Edit: Although now that I think about it, it's strange that the camera was there at all. Given what happened, you'd think Alex would have gone to extraordinary lengths to get rid of any cameras in his possession, if he thought it would help. Perhaps someone planted it there. Hoody is a likely suspect.

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Lithp
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I only said that the threat hypothesis had several holes in it. If you want to believe it, go ahead. But I do not care about things like whether or not warning shots are helpful, because those don't address any of the holes.

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ReverendJ
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It must suck if you miss with a warning shot.

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Chest Cam Avenger
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"If you don't leave, I will shoot you."
- Threat

"If you don't leave, you will be shot."
- Helpful warning.

Active voice is everything, people. Remember your grammar.

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