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THAC's Future new Horror/Mystery series discussion
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Ristar
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 		THAC's Future new Horror/Mystery series discussion
Since we are almost at the end of the MH series, i was wondering what path do you guys think the new series should walk.

For example, i woudn't mind a new series where the protagonists are also named Jay, Tim and Alex, or they have little easter egg in the show.

I would hate if they go to the internet monster route, i rather have them with groundbreaking content, just like they did with Slenderman (Even if they didn't invent it, they were one of the first webseries out there)

I don't know why but when i look at MH i feel like this is TO, a completely different thing from SM, maybe because it's not the main antagonist, i can't quite explain it. In case they go with the urban legend pick again, i hope it feels the same as this one.

Any thoughts on it? Things you want to see? Things you don't want to see?

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 		I wonder if they'll be making their own little myth this time, or if they'll just use someone else's.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a series based in the Special Containment Procedures facility.

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Monkah wrote:
I wonder if they'll be making their own little myth this time, or if they'll just use someone else's.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a series based in the Special Containment Procedures facility.


They kinda did make their own myth. Much of the current Slendy myth circulating in the vlogs owes as much to Marble Hornets as it does to Victor Surge.

I'd like to see them do a couple of things:

1. have a compelling, if minor, character who's female, non-white, or both. The reason for this is more to insulate any more of their work from criticism that all they do is follow a bunch of white guys around. Marble Hornets should be exempt from this criticism anyway because it's so low-budget that it's almost always just two of three particular friends (four whenever they could get Brian) on screen at any time. It's something small that got big soon. The also likely had bigger plans for Jessica at least. But it would be nice to see them create a more populated story universe. It would show growth as writers. I love their work overall and think they're obviously talented, and I'd hate to see this become a somewhat legitimate slam against their future work.

2. avoid internet myth unless it shows up tangentially or in the background. I'd love to see them create something completely new or take something existing that wasn't created within the past couple of years (maybe a very old legend) and adapt it.

3. Avoid long, inconsistent monologues. They're best at very quick, sardonic exchanges with occasional elaboration or confessional interludes. But in a couple of cases the dialogue seemed stilted and forced (some of Entry #66, for example, and I guess Alex's tirade in Entry #85 rubbed some the wrong way, though I liked it overall). In part, this may just reflect last-minute changes of the story arc because someone or some location became unavailable or something else arose that changed their original idea. In part, though, this reflects that they're still feeling their way through writing a series.

4. Avoid having too many teases. Again: Entry #66 and Entry #83 (though I still like both much).

5. Be a bit better at seeming to resolve loose ends. Not every loose end can be tied up. But some things were dropped abruptly in MH, and that leaves you open to the charge that you had things less planned out than you may have had them.

6. More subtle and deadpan comic moments. They're great at these, but there are a few episodes that could use a bit more humor. By "humor" I mean something like their quips to build tension or heighten disagreement between the characters (e.g., Alex's remark in Entry #42 that Jay "got lost in woods you've never been in" and Jay's comment in Entry #63 about meeting under a streetlight and "mak[ing] it all dramatic."

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 		I hope they don't bother listening to people who say "stop making filler"

I mean, jesus, if you want to see constant action, go watch some American action movies. It's as if people don't recognize the actual plot behind the series.

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 		Im sorta hoping who ever lives at the end of MH makes a cameo. Also hoping its not found footage. Or depending on when it takes place Jay.
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lonsumtravlr wrote:

1. have a compelling, if minor, character who's female, non-white, or both. The reason for this is more to insulate any more of their work from criticism that all they do is follow a bunch of white guys around. Marble Hornets should be exempt from this criticism anyway because it's so low-budget that it's almost always just two of three particular friends (four whenever they could get Brian) on screen at any time."

Well that wouldn't be a valid criticism for anyone, low budget series or not. Of course in a series where it was all blacks or all female nobody would say "there should be more white guys" Why do people care about things like that instead of just enjoying the series for what it is. There can always be "too many" white males but never "not enough" white males.
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lonsumtravlr wrote:
1. have a compelling, if minor, character who's female, non-white, or both. The reason for this is more to insulate any more of their work from criticism that all they do is follow a bunch of white guys around. Marble Hornets should be exempt from this criticism anyway because it's so low-budget that it's almost always just two of three particular friends (four whenever they could get Brian) on screen at any time. It's something small that got big soon. The also likely had bigger plans for Jessica at least. But it would be nice to see them create a more populated story universe. It would show growth as writers. I love their work overall and think they're obviously talented, and I'd hate to see this become a somewhat legitimate slam against their future work.


Forced diversity is a bane of every mainstream creative medium in the West and modern western cultures in general.

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Monkah wrote:
I wonder if they'll be making their own little myth this time, or if they'll just use someone else's.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a series based in the Special Containment Procedures facility.


They should do a series on SCP-582 just to mess with everyone.

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gennerx wrote:
Monkah wrote:
I wonder if they'll be making their own little myth this time, or if they'll just use someone else's.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a series based in the Special Containment Procedures facility.


They should do a series on SCP-582 just to mess with everyone.


SCP suuuuuuuuuuucks! I hope they don't take this idiotic route, i rather have them making MH 2

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 		Actually, I'd like this one to be straight narrative fiction. Mostly so we don't have to sit through explanations of why A) this character is filming everything around them, and B) why they're uploading it to the Internet.

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 		Aw, geez, I'm wicked sorry I wasn't more careful in my phrasing or more prudent in that one point or even mentioned it at all. Actually, I really didn't want to say that I'd wanted "forced diversity." I have read that complaint a bit too much, though, about Marble Hornets (I think more than a couple of times constitutes "too much"), and it's one I mainly think is ridiculous especially given the way the series is made and how much OOG/out-of-series elements have at times adversely impacted its production.

Let me then say that while I agree with SilentMedusa that this should be a much more straightforward narrative, I ain't against some sort of playing around with narrative structure. I do hope that the found footage content is reduced by at least 75%. It's so limiting.

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Monkah wrote:
I hope they don't bother listening to people who say "stop making filler"

I mean, jesus, if you want to see constant action, go watch some American action movies. It's as if people don't recognize the actual plot behind the series.


Most of the purported filler will likely prove to not have been anything of the kind once the series wraps up and everyone digests it. It will be a lot to chew on, though. The end of the series, I mean.

When you say that about American action movies, Monkah, you take me back to my undergrad creative writing class. When we covered fiction, our textbook contrasted "action" (which has to do with plot, character development, and all that good stuff) with "movement" (which would be pretty much anything done by Michael Bay).

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Oransel wrote:
Forced diversity is a bane of every mainstream creative medium in the West and modern western cultures in general.


What do you mean by "forced diversity"?

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Cactus Wren wrote:


What do you mean by "forced diversity"?


Including a black guy with the idea that they are doing so because people will take it the wrong way if everyone is white or because they think diversity goes above good acting. -.-

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Monkah wrote:
I hope they don't bother listening to people who say "stop making filler"

I mean, jesus, if you want to see constant action, go watch some American action movies. It's as if people don't recognize the actual plot behind the series.


Filler is a lack of plot development, not a lack of action. I think it's probably a good idea for them to take consistent complaints into consideration. I guess, if I had to propose a rule of thumb, then about 1/3 of the content should be plot. It doesn't have to be a 3rd of every Entry, but we shouldn't have, for instance, a 9 1/2 minute monologue that has fuck-all to do with anything just to say, "Brian is Hoody!"

In terms of what, specifically, they decide to do, I think they could do good with pretty much any option that they go with, as long as they know to keep it close enough to Marble Hornets that people know that they're going to get what they want, but also different enough that it's not predictable & it solves some of the problems that Marble Hornets has.

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