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[VIDEO] Entry 65
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FalloutGhoul
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Jingleman wrote:
I'm a little late to the party this time, but here are a few thoughts. Good entry.

- On the "dark place:" I usually prefer mundane explanations whenever possible, but I'm taking this one as a supernatural place for now. Whether you want to call it another dimension, universe, or whatever, I think the implication is that it's a supernatural place apart from our world, under the control of the Operator. It's premature to call it the ark.

I found two things interesting about the dark place:
(1) We got footage of it, therefore the camera, and by extension, Tim, must have been physically there. Whatever is going on with Tim, he's actually being moved around; it's not some sort of astral projection or spirit movement or whatever.
(2) Tim found Bruce's body. A lot of people have wondered what the lack of deterioration implies about the place, but I find it more interesting that Tim just happened to stumble into the only person confirmed dead in the whole series. No other bodies were visible. Does that mean that nobody else is dead, and that the other missing folks are running around somewhere without their memories? Or are there other dead people in the darkness, and Tim just randomly saw Bruce? What are the odds?

Did anybody else think that Tim was going to roll the body over and see his own face staring back?

- On the distortion: I think it's significant that the chest cam was showing distortion prior to Tim being attacked. Since the other camera was clean during that time, I don't think that the footage was distorted at the time it was shot. Rather, I think that the tape was corrupted as a whole when Tim was taken.

An argument can be made that what might be taken as teleportation was just a scrambling of the footage, along the same lines as the distortion - the tape was corrupted. That was my initial reaction, anyway; teleportation didn't even occur to me.

- On the voicemail: I liked this move very much. Normally, Jay would have just typed "Tim finally left a message" or something, but I thought this was much more dramatic. I hope that the captions don't go away altogether (and there have been fewer of them lately, right?), but I approve of the occasional break from the norm for the drama of it. I think there is some discussion to be had about the time of the message, which was around 3:00 AM, right? When Tim collapsed in the hospital, the sun was still out. In fact, there's a lot to speculate about, time-frame-wise, in this entry, because it's been so long since 64.

- On Tim's hallucinations: I like a regression theory here, where Tim is seeing things from his childhood at the hospital, either as hallucinations or as actual psychological regression. I think that the "He's right there" or whatever Tim was yelling might be a massively important piece of foreshadowing. This next trip to the hospital is set up to be a major round of exposition. I wonder if the Dr. [REDACTED] stuff from the medical records will come into play.

- On Tim's excuses: I don't read any treachery in Tim's hesitation; I think it's just OOG considerations. They wanted to save the revelations for the next entry, at the hospital. I do think that, IG, Tim's job is a weak reason not to talk, and Jay should have insisted that Tim tell him everything before going anywhere, or at least get a better reason than "trust me" for why Tim can't, but that's just the nature of the episodic format. I wish they would justify that stuff a little better, though.

I find each of these theories to be pretty well thought-out.
For the second part of "On the 'dark place'" seems like a very good reason why there wouldn't be other bodies in that same area.

For the "On the distortion" part of it, I find it similar to Entry #22, especially since that tape for 22 was from Seth's camera at the time.

And "On the hallucinations" makes another pretty good point regarding Tim's behavior.

In all, you've made some good theories.
Better than others that I've seen on this thread.

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One of the most important entries. Somehow, The Operator is linked to water and can use it to drown his victims. I believe that's also why cameras malfunction around him or those afflicted by his curse. It's water damage. I remember someone actually mentioning that The Operator seems to be some kind of water-based being before this entry was posted. Kudos to whoever that was. Maybe the ends of TO's arms are actually flippers? Well, maybe not...

The place The Operator seemed to be in the frames that briefly appeared during Tim's tortures was the abandoned hospital. I think he was manipulating Tim into leading Jay there and trying to kill him, which will be successful in the next entry. Then Hoodie will save Jay and hopefully finally reveal themselves.

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Ok, here's what I'm thinking:

When Tim returns to the hospital, I expect that he is reliving a childhood memory. We can be almost certain that the "hallucinations" mentioned in Tim's charts include the Operator, so Tim screaming "He's right there!" is him pointing out the Operator to his doctors/nurses/support staff/whatever. This would also explain his being "dragged" away from the door by an unseen force--if he's reliving the past, it's likely that this was a "fit" and that someone pulled him out of the room, away from the door that was upsetting him so much. So, in reliving this memory, he pulls HIMSELF away. Under this understanding, The Operator probably started that fire, and what Tim wants to show Jay is likely something connected to this. (I don't want to say "proof" that TO did it, since that's not going to be necessary for Jay at this point, but something) I'd say this explanation seems most likely.

Another possibility is some connection to Masky, and he's having an internal struggle. For interests sake, I'd like to propose another theory here than "Masky was holding Tim back" and suggest that it's the opposite. Tim, upon entering that room, is clearly looking for someTHING, since he asks himself questions like "Where is it? Where else could it be?" While TO is a fair candidate for "it", I'd like to suggest that "it" could also be his mask. He doesn't go right for the door, and seems to look around on the floor for a bit. In this interpretation, the mask is in the room behind the door, and the struggle to pull away from the door might actually be TIM holding MASKY back. The one issue with this is that it would be Masky speaking, but Masky has actually spoken out loud before--he's said "NO!" whenever someone attempts to remove his mask.

Though I don't advance this second theory as strongly as the more likely first one, it might suggest that the whole Mask business started when Tim was a child--perhaps it was some form of therapy, an attempt to deal with what the doctors would have seen as his obsession with "facelessness"? And then Tim became attached to the Mask, insisted on keeping it, and there we have it.

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*Sigh*

The way they talk at the end of the entry sounds like they'll be going to the hospital ASAP... but I just know that we're being set up for another month+ wait. Crying or Very sad

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This is my first time posting here, though I've been lurking for a long time.

Something I noticed and I was surprised had been brought up yet were the similarities of shots between entry #65 and Display.


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
First thing I noticed was the red screaming faces.

http://i50.tinypic.com/23xxd.jpg

They aren't identical, they are obviously from different angles, but does this mean TTA saw the chestcam footage first?

Maybe I'm grasping as straws I don't know. Some of the shots where Tim was filming the ground looked like the same area as the clips from the "He is Searching" part of Display. It could be it's just because it is the same area, but it's not quite related to this video. I think the think with the faces though might mean something. It seems strange to me that a red screaming face would be in Display then show up again in entry #65.


Just my thoughts on it.

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Camero wrote:
When Tim returns to the hospital, I expect that he is reliving a childhood memory. We can be almost certain that the "hallucinations" mentioned in Tim's charts include the Operator, so Tim screaming "He's right there!" is him pointing out the Operator to his doctors/nurses/support staff/whatever. This would also explain his being "dragged" away from the door by an unseen force--if he's reliving the past, it's likely that this was a "fit" and that someone pulled him out of the room, away from the door that was upsetting him so much. So, in reliving this memory, he pulls HIMSELF away. Under this understanding, The Operator probably started that fire, and what Tim wants to show Jay is likely something connected to this. (I don't want to say "proof" that TO did it, since that's not going to be necessary for Jay at this point, but something) I'd say this explanation seems most likely.


Apropos to this point, didn't one of Victor Surge's original SM posts on Something Awful include the fact that SM's victims died in a fire?

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Magyk wrote:
*Sigh*

The way they talk at the end of the entry sounds like they'll be going to the hospital ASAP... but I just know that we're being set up for another month+ wait. Crying or Very sad


I have a bad feeling it's going to make no sense in-story again, like with #64(going to Rosswood with Tim on Sunday, video about 5 days later). If Jay gets the stuffing beaten out of him as predicted, then it could make sense.

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Great entry, love where this is heading. But I think that that wasn't any plain old teleporting to white-shirt's domain, there's no way the corpse would be that preserved if it was just a clearing in the woods.

Also, some guy in this thread called Jaws "Shark".

Also, I don't think the original Slender Man post had references to fires, but that eventually became part of the lore as the thread progressed. I could be wrong, it's been a while since I've read the thread and last time I did a lot of the best images were broken.

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I don't know why so many of you guys think Tim is planning something sinister. He seemed pretty weary and gloomy at the end of entry 65 but nothing he was saying to Jay seemed particularly sinister or foreboding. Jeez, back when 59 came out a lot of people were like "omg Jay ur such a jerk! look how sad you made Tim!" and now people are like "Tim is gonna kill Jay!" man you people bounce back and forth a lot. Razz Lol. At any rate, if Tim DOES try anything I will be really sad. I like him as a good guy, I don't want him to go all Kralie on us.

Also, if the same thing that happened to Tim now happened to Jay back in entry 23, that could explain why Jay's camera was broken when he woke up the next day: his old camera wasn't water proof!

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
I don't know why so many of you guys think Tim is planning something sinister. He seemed pretty weary and gloomy at the end of entry 65 but nothing he was saying to Jay seemed particularly sinister or foreboding. Jeez, back when 59 came out a lot of people were like "omg Jay ur such a jerk! look how sad you made Tim!" and now people are like "Tim is gonna kill Jay!" man you people bounce back and forth a lot. Razz Lol. At any rate, if Tim DOES try anything I will be really sad. I like him as a good guy, I don't want him to go all Kralie on us.

Also, if the same thing that happened to Tim now happened to Jay back in entry 23, that could explain why Jay's camera was broken when he woke up the next day: his old camera wasn't water proof!


The way he simply responded with "mmm" seemed dishonest, as well as the fact that he gave absolutely no details about what was at the hospital. I don't think it's any maliciousness on Tim's part, I believe The Operator now has influence over him.

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Roswell wrote:


Also, some guy in this thread called Jaws "Shark".


Yeah, because the shark from Jaws isn't called "Jaws," that's just the name of the book.

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TheOperator wrote:
CraicIsMighty wrote:
I don't know why so many of you guys think Tim is planning something sinister. He seemed pretty weary and gloomy at the end of entry 65 but nothing he was saying to Jay seemed particularly sinister or foreboding. Jeez, back when 59 came out a lot of people were like "omg Jay ur such a jerk! look how sad you made Tim!" and now people are like "Tim is gonna kill Jay!" man you people bounce back and forth a lot. Razz Lol. At any rate, if Tim DOES try anything I will be really sad. I like him as a good guy, I don't want him to go all Kralie on us.

Also, if the same thing that happened to Tim now happened to Jay back in entry 23, that could explain why Jay's camera was broken when he woke up the next day: his old camera wasn't water proof!


The way he simply responded with "mmm" seemed dishonest, as well as the fact that he gave absolutely no details about what was at the hospital. I don't think it's any maliciousness on Tim's part, I believe The Operator now has influence over him.


I just took Tim's lackluster answers as proof of his beaten down spirit and overall weariness. He was probably too traumatized to want to talk about it much right there and then. That's what I hope anyway. Like I said before, I really don't want Tim to pull a Kralie. Jay has already put up with enough BS

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Everyone thinks he's sinister because hoody keeps calling him a liar and we've seen this story before with Alex (or there's parallels at least)

As I said a zillion times, my problem with Tim is that he told Jay he doesn't remember ANYTHING, but all of a sudden decided that he needs to show Jay something in the abandoned hospital where he just was?

It's not a coincidence that he decided to bring that up now

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
I just took Tim's lackluster answers as proof of his beaten down spirit and overall weariness. He was probably too traumatized to want to talk about it much right there and then. That's what I hope anyway. Like I said before, I really don't want Tim to pull a Kralie. Jay has already put up with enough BS

I dunno, man. I think Jay's interactions with Alex last season suggests an important life lesson:

If someone insists that they have something to show you, and they refuse to even attempt to enunciate what it is, you cannot trust them.

Seriously, "you have to come see it yourself" is an impossibly crappy excuse under more or less any circumstances. There's no reason to wait until someone is in the physical presence of the thing you want to show them before attempting an explanation or a description of it unless you want to surprise them with something, and in this sort of situation nobody's going to spring a nice surprise on you.

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Animal wrote:
Everyone thinks he's sinister because hoody keeps calling him a liar and we've seen this story before with Alex (or there's parallels at least)

As I said a zillion times, my problem with Tim is that he told Jay he doesn't remember ANYTHING, but all of a sudden decided that he needs to show Jay something in the abandoned hospital where he just was?

It's not a coincidence that he decided to bring that up now


Hey... You're right. If Tim didn't remember being at the hospital, why would he feel the need to go back? Unless he was sleeping there for a few weeks until he came out of crazy mode. Or unless after he got there, the Operator zapped him forward in time...

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