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m0r1arty · Unfettered Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 337

Real life code from WWII that needs cracked

**Posted:** Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:43 am

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I also found this interesting. The actual picture of the encrypted pigeon message is here....

**Posted:** Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:26 am

zzaryn · Decorated Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 180

For others that come here: they are also looking for more contextual information for this message -- like name of the sender, pigeon ID number/name, who the intended recipient was, when it was sent (date).

There were 2 copies sent... so I wonder if the other message got through.

**Posted:** Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:46 pm

zzaryn · Decorated Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 180

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9772000/9772402.stm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20456782

**Posted:** Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:53 pm

KettenRak · Greenhorn Joined: 22 Nov 2012 Posts: 3

It could also be a one time pad, though that's somewhat unlikely. Just wanted to throw out the possibility, though.

I do know that one time pads were used in WWII, which is why I brought it up.

**Posted:** Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:23 pm

Wireless · Boot Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 58

I notice the code starts and ends (excluding the numbers) with the same sequence. This would be unlikely on an enigma style cypher

It also has a higher than normal number of double letters for these kinds of cyphers.

I think this is either a fairly simple cypher or perhaps even just a test message. (It contains every letter of the alphabet at least once.)

*Edit*

I think it just says,

ABCDE FGHIJ KLMNO PQRST
UVWXY ZABCD EFGHI JKLMN
OPQRS TUVWX YZABC DEFGH
IJKLM NOPQR STUVW XYZAB
CDEFG HIJKL MNOPQ RSTUV
VXYZA BCDEF GHIJK LMNOP
QRSTU VWXYZ ABCDE 27 1525/6

27 1525/6 being the signal senders ID.

A test message.. thoughts?

**Posted:** Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:26 pm

fezzik · Veteran Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 131

**Posted:** Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:01 pm

m0r1arty · Unfettered Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 337

I've seen far more complex get corrected and sorted around here - I think we could have is cracked by Christmas if we put our minds to it. What oh!

Let's have a go old bean!

-m0r

**Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:10 pm

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booba · Unfictologist Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 1433

Well since you brought it back up... I did notice this one little thing.
If it is breakable at all we have to assume it is not a one time pad, and for whatever reason something else was used. If you ignore the first and last repeated set as a disguise for the earlier used Poem Code and ignore the next set as an often used (then and still) dummy set, that leaves sets 3-26:

FNFJW YIDDC

RQXSR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX

PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH

NLXKG MEMKK ONOIB AKEEQ

WAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH

LKXGH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ

KLDTS FQIRW

Run this through an A-Z trifid decoder like:
http://www.braingle.com/brainteasers/codes/trifid.php to get:

AUMNJ KEYOK HEXKN YEUES YHFRC EOAWI NZTNO S..NT
BGJV. EGQJB HBJZB WPQES ECTNZ QZFQA .LMNP JGMEW
VDEBP ETWWR OETDG ABLE. WAYJS TROVE YTH.N RRPEX

Its the second set here that looked interesting even though its probably just happenstance.

**Posted:** Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:03 am