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Kraehtot
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rand__althor wrote:

I have a really fucked up theory about that but stay with me here
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Okay this theory is kind of disappointing to me because I had been hoping that The Ark was a singular destination that dealt with answering some severe questions about the antagonists, but
in the TTA video, TTA said "SEES NOW", various visuals of Jessica (which Jay made a direct point of pointing out), and then the code (here as "YOUR ARK".)
so i was thinking that maybe (and this is a bit convoluted, don't get me wrong) that Jessica is Jay's Ark.
The Ark itself was a bit of symbolic imagery on behalf of TTA -- so it could be that he wasnt referring to a place, or a thing, but a motivation. Jay has made it blatantly obvious that the only reason he keeps going is to find Jessica, and not only that but has stated it repeatedly to Tim, whose masked persona is in cahoots with TTA. My initial thought about this was that if Jessica is Jay's Ark, then the Ark is not a singular destination, place, or thing. The Ark is instead something of importance to the individual that the Operator took from them that keeps them in want and makes them delve deeper in hopes of getting their Ark returned to them. If, and IF this is true, Jessica would be Jay's Ark because she's the reason he's even bothering with this anymore instead of giving up. Jessica is why he keeps delving deeper and deeper even though he has specifically stated that he doesn't want to know the answers anymore.
So TTA sees this and says "SEES YOU", repeatedly pictures Jessica, and then "YOUR ARK". IF this is right, then maybe TTA is saying that he sees Jay's angle now?
idk this was kind of a stupid theory cooked up by me but maybe the Ark is just something that was taken from each individual by the Operator that they need to find again to find peace -- not necessarily to stop from being stalked, mind you, but to find peace
and using the symbolism of the Ark in Noah's Ark
The world was gonna be ravaged by horrible storms and floods, so in order for Noah to find peace he had to build an ark, whch would shelter him from the storm and carry him to peaceful times
so maybe once you've found your ark it will lead you to peace b/c thats like
the one reason you kept going
so maybe if Jay finds Jessica, it won't matter to him what happens to him after because that was his ark, and his purpose and motivation
this gets more and more muddled the more i talk about it
this theory probably isn't right but i thought i would put it out there


I like your theory, don't mind if it is wrong or not. It is beautiful ^^
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LBfly
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 		Thank you for warning, I was gonna waste my time then, haha.
BTW, I agree with the person who said it wasnt Jay's mistake, but I don't see any logic on it as well...

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SaferSaturnX
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Hazman wrote:
LBfly wrote:
I tried morse code but not all possibilities. If we use the negative numbers instead of the absolut values, then we get extra - signal and that could make a difference. How can we know which one is which? 2 for . and 5 for -?


Maybe the negative numbers are '-' and the positive numbers are '.'

Again, gibberish. Guys, it's not Morse code.

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 		Has anyone noticed that

1+3=4
2+4=6
5+7=12
6+8=14
And
7+9=18

Have we thought about taking those letters out?

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SaferSaturnX
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DHawk314 wrote:
OK, let's review:

- Jay thinks each number pair corresponds to multiple letters.
- Jay thinks the mirrors, 75 and 72, mean the same number groups as the their nonmirrored counterparts, 57 and 27 respectively.
- Some numbers follow a pattern in which the second digit is the first digit plus one. This means probably that only one of the digits means anything; after all, the other digit is defined by the original.

So I propose we list all the first digits of the pairs which follow the pattern, write out both digits for ones which don't follow the pattern, and underline the latter.

Also, I'll replace the mirror numbers with their nonmirror counterparts so they mean the same thing, and write them in italics.

7,5,83,27,27,27,2
83,5,6,1,83,27,7
6,83,5,6,2,83
7,7,83,5,5,5

So, maybe someone can do some shit with that.

EDIT: My assumption is that each number mean multiple letter btw. Not that I know how it works.

I really think you have something here; I'm just not sure I understood all your steps in coming up with the new number set. Just to clarify, the "pattern" you speak of is the pair of numbers being a single number followed by that number plus two (in the post you said one but I think you meant two)?

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 		I meant 2.
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SaferSaturnX
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TheNarrator wrote:
Has anyone noticed that

1+3=4
2+4=6
5+7=12
6+8=14
And
7+9=18

Have we thought about taking those letters out?

7+9=16. I get the feeling we need to recheck some of our earlier math...

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mokie
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 		Even if you were right, that would be one plus one plus two plus one, not one plus two plus one plus one.

Jay's fresh out of college, right? He should know some math majors. I say we suggest he outsource this already.

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RoseCrux
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 		Back to morse code.

Ignore the line breaks and run the whole thing together.

--..---.---..--.---.--.---

You don't have character breaks, so there is still some deciphering. As Jay said, you won't be using all 26 letters. Eliminate the least common letters from the set and you'll narrow it down.

Also, perhaps a negative number denotes a break before the word?

I'm working this angle because it fits the criteria of every one of Jay's clues and the chances that all of the numbers in the cypher would be 2 or 5 apart and only that is astronomically low. Such low probability suggests artifice.

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Blank_Zero wrote:
What if the first digit is the letter it represents, and the distance of the second letter from it on a number line is the second letter it represents? For example, 79, being G, and then 9, being two away positively is I, and with 83 being H and C?

The second letter turns out to be the same letter you'd end up getting anyway. Like 75 was GE but 5 would be E either way.

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SaferSaturnX
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RoseCrux wrote:
Back to morse code.

Ignore the line breaks and run the whole thing together.

--..---.---..--.---.--.---

You don't have character breaks, so there is still some deciphering. As Jay said, you won't be using all 26 letters. Eliminate the least common letters from the set and you'll narrow it down.

Also, perhaps a negative number denotes a break before the word?

I'm working this angle because it fits the criteria of every one of Jay's clues and the chances that all of the numbers in the cypher would be 2 or 5 apart and only that is astronomically low. Such low probability suggests artifice.

But it doesn't fit all of Jay's clues:
Jay wrote:
Still working on it. There's an even amount of numbers in each set, and a few number pairs repeat. Maybe a pair corresponds to a letter?

If a pair equals one letter, there's 26 letters in total. But there's only 9 unique numbers. Could each number have multiple letters?

Etc.

He constantly refers to the number pairs referring to letters, which would rule out Morse code.

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SaferSaturnX wrote:
TheNarrator wrote:
Has anyone noticed that

1+3=4
2+4=6
5+7=12
6+8=14
And
7+9=18

Have we thought about taking those letters out?

7+9=16. I get the feeling we need to recheck some of our earlier math...


XD
Dont know if it is related, but these combinations result in even (is that how you call it?) numbers: 2 if subtracted and these you put there if added. And the other ones result in odd (?) numbers: 5 if subtracted and 9 for 72/27 and 11 for 83.

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RoseCrux wrote:
Back to morse code.

Ignore the line breaks and run the whole thing together.

--..---.---..--.---.--.---

You don't have character breaks, so there is still some deciphering. As Jay said, you won't be using all 26 letters. Eliminate the least common letters from the set and you'll narrow it down.

Also, perhaps a negative number denotes a break before the word?

I'm working this angle because it fits the criteria of every one of Jay's clues and the chances that all of the numbers in the cypher would be 2 or 5 apart and only that is astronomically low. Such low probability suggests artifice.


I don't know Morse Code, I broke it into groups of 3. I noticed a lot of the groups are the same.

--. .-- -.- --. .-- .-- -.- -.- --

unfortunately the last one only has two but it's bound to have a dot in it in one of the 3 places it has been before. But chucking that into a Morse Code solver came up with gobledy gook

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SaferSaturnX
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LBfly wrote:
SaferSaturnX wrote:
TheNarrator wrote:
Has anyone noticed that

1+3=4
2+4=6
5+7=12
6+8=14
And
7+9=18

Have we thought about taking those letters out?

7+9=16. I get the feeling we need to recheck some of our earlier math...


XD
Dont know if it is related, but these combinations result in even (is that how you call it?) numbers: 2 if subtracted and these you put there if added. And the other ones result in odd (?) numbers: 5 if subtracted and 9 for 72/27 and 11 for 83.

True (and yes, that is how you refer to numbers that are divisible by 2), but mathematically, if the difference (subtraction) of numbers is even, then their sum (addition) MUST also be even, and if the difference is odd, then their sum MUST also be odd. So we're right back to the 2s and 5s bit.

Also, is it strange to anyone else that Jay mention the fact that the difference of some of the numbers is 2, but has completely left out the other numbers whose difference is 5?

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 		I think we're ignoring this tweet:

"If a pair equals one letter, there's 26 letters in total. But there's only 9 unique numbers. Could each number have multiple letters?"
We're paying attention to the first part, but not the second. Jay thinks each number pair means multiple letters. No one seems to be doing anything with that, partly cause no one knows what it means. Especially not me. Expanding on this

"Two of the pairs are mirrors and are grouped together twice. 27-72 and 57-75. Not sure what that could mean yet though. Common letters?"
Jay thinks the mirrors mean the same "multiple letters" as their mirror counterparts.

and finally
"Just noticed a few of these numbers have a pattern. First digit plus two. 13, 24, 57, 68, 79 all follow it."
so probably only the first digits in those matter, or maybe only the second digits matter.

But I have no idea how we could possibly find out which "multiple letters" correspond to which numbers. It's not a simple A=1, 2=B, C=3 thing, we tried that. I'm not saying we should quit for now, but I think maybe we'll need Tim to figure it out all the way. Just my theory. In the mean time you guys keep working at it, maybe we'll dig something up.
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