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[TTA] Surveillance
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aidansean
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Jiime_6 wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
In a series predicated on the concept that there is more to these videos than we can see at the moment, I hardly think that "the camera movement is different" (which it is) debunks in any way the idea that the footage in Surveillance came from the same source as the footage in Entry #65 (which it almost certainly did).

We're only saying that the footage is different, not that it has a different source. I agree that the source is most probably the same, but the footage in Surveillance isn't taken from #65. If it was, it would only mean that TTA can download videos from YouTube.
I personally agree with Rand0mExpl0sive about putting them one after the other.


I agree too. These bits of footage make it very likely that someone (probably TTA) took the camera from Tim, took some of the footage from the camera, and TTA got their collective hands on it.

For some reason I didn't notice the outstretched hand taking the camera on first viewing. We've seen this before right, in Entry #23 at 4:44? Looking back there have been plenty of times where TTA has come along as people have fallen unconscious, stolen some footage, and then put whoever they were stalking back to bed/car and put fresh batteries in their camera. Given that they stole Entry #22 and part of the video from Entry #26 from Alex (probably at the same time) whatever they are taking is pretty juicy stuff.

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soulboogaloo
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Jowayoh wrote:
In behalf of everyone that can't do any decoding I wanted to thank everyone that knows how to for actually doing it. Your efforts are much appreciated, here's a gift


If this were Reddit I'd gift you all reddit gold.

But I can't...so here is a high five.

*high five*

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MthsLadeira
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 		Guys, this's got to help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilist_cipher

The code used is at least very close to this Nihilist thing

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Blank_Zero
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MthsLadeira wrote:
Guys, this's got to help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilist_cipher

The code used is at least very close to this Nihilist thing


We are still missing the key word and a key.

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Hazman
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Blank_Zero wrote:
MthsLadeira wrote:
Guys, this's got to help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilist_cipher

The code used is at least very close to this Nihilist thing


We are still missing the key word and a key.


Could the key be a word from the video? Permanence or seesnow? Or something backwards.

Which got me thinking has anyone tried a Permutation cipher? Permanence could be a reference to that as they are kinda similar words in how they look.

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ydna
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MthsLadeira wrote:
Guys, this's got to help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilist_cipher

The code used is at least very close to this Nihilist thing

Actually, it is not. Nihilist gives numbers greater than 100 and never less than 10. It could be the case with A and B, but certainly not C. But I do recognize we're out to real ciphers now.

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aidansean
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 		Has anyone tried pairing the digit vertically? So that 7975... and 8275... becomes 78, 92, 77, 55... instead of 79, 75... 82, 75... etc

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DemanusFlint
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Blank_Zero wrote:
MthsLadeira wrote:
Guys, this's got to help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilist_cipher

The code used is at least very close to this Nihilist thing


We are still missing the key word and a key.


it also doesn't follow any of the hints we've been given and could only allow for "03" if the axes were zero-indexed

even though i keep mentioning a possibility of cipher/key, i believe that we should have been able to solve texts A+B without text C and that it's been added to give us more text to work with.

aidansean wrote:
Has anyone tried pairing the digit vertically? So that 7975... and 8275... becomes 78, 92, 77, 55... instead of 79, 75... 82, 75... etc

this goes against the tweets and doesn't apply to the way text C is presented.

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LBfly
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sha22 wrote:
karalynnp123 wrote:
NEW TWEET

"@marblehornets 13, 24, 35, 57, 68, 79 all follow the pattern I noticed earlier. 03 doesn't. Could there be a point where the first number starts from zero?"


This lets us know that 03 is clearly important and may be some kind of starting point??

HEY JUST NOTICED SOMETHING! 13, 24, 35, 57, 68, 79.... In that order the first digits do 1 2 3 5 6 7 and the second digits go 3 4 5 7 8 9

Where's 46?

THAT'S GOTTA BE IMPORTANT!


Very clever, thank you for pointing out, I didnt notice... and if you put 03 in front of them then you have 0 1 2 3 5 6 7 in the first digits.


Maybe we need to put the pairs in crescent order? It's the second time Jay does that in a tweet.

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kralyk
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ydna wrote:
MthsLadeira wrote:
Guys, this's got to help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilist_cipher

The code used is at least very close to this Nihilist thing

Actually, it is not. Nihilist gives numbers greater than 100 and never less than 10. It could be the case with A and B, but certainly not C. But I do recognize we're out to real ciphers now.

They could've used larger table and index it from 0, which would allow valued from 03 (min) to 97 (max). It is of course just a speculation, but I wouldn't discard this Nihilist cipher so quickly...

EDIT: Moreover, if they used the same or similar words for both the table and the key, it would make same-sum values appear frequently thus accounting for such an amount of repetitive numbers in the encrypted message.

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NewInTown2
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 		What does Jay mean with "Could there be a point where the first number starts from zero?" Could be my foreignness kicking in but I do not understand it.. Is he implying the pair of numbers should be ordered from lowest to highest? Or is it maybe a clue in solving the riddle? Are there any codes in which all numbers till 99 are read as paired numbers with the numbers from 0 to 9 being 00, 01, 02, ..., 09 ?

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ydna
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NewInTown2 wrote:
What does Jay mean with "Could there be a point where the first number starts from zero?" Could be my foreignness kicking in but I do not understand it.. Is he implying the pair of numbers should be ordered from lowest to highest? Or is it maybe a clue in solving the riddle? Are there any codes in which all numbers till 99 are read as paired numbers with the numbers from 0 to 9 being 00, 01, 02, ..., 09 ?

I think he means "0" = "."

kralyk wrote:
They could've used larger table and index it from 0, which would allow valued from 03 (min) to 97 (max). It is of course just a speculation, but I wouldn't discard this Nihilist cipher so quickly...


Ok, but I think some people already tried the Vigenère cipher and the only difference from this is the way to represent the symbols. If those people are around, please check if you can use a Polybius Square (if you haven't already) instead.

We still need to settle a lot of variables to be sure, though, so I'd hate it if it really was not something simple.

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conundrum768
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ydna wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:
What does Jay mean with "Could there be a point where the first number starts from zero?" Could be my foreignness kicking in but I do not understand it.. Is he implying the pair of numbers should be ordered from lowest to highest? Or is it maybe a clue in solving the riddle? Are there any codes in which all numbers till 99 are read as paired numbers with the numbers from 0 to 9 being 00, 01, 02, ..., 09 ?

I think he means "0" = "."


Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's all he means (which may have absolutely nothing to do with what the number actually means).

Basically if zero is 03 then the sequence is offset by that amount/value/symbol/variance/etc.

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Hazman
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ydna wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:
What does Jay mean with "Could there be a point where the first number starts from zero?" Could be my foreignness kicking in but I do not understand it.. Is he implying the pair of numbers should be ordered from lowest to highest? Or is it maybe a clue in solving the riddle? Are there any codes in which all numbers till 99 are read as paired numbers with the numbers from 0 to 9 being 00, 01, 02, ..., 09 ?

I think he means "0" = "."


That's probably true as '0' is usually never used as denoting a letter with number

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MojoCat
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 		After seeing the subtractive relationships between numbers, I made a full chart with highlighted colors.

This may not help at all, but I hope it may set off a light bulb for someone better at this.



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