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Hazman wrote:
ydna wrote:
I think he means "0" = "."

That's probably true as '0' is usually never used as denoting a letter with number


I'm pretty sure it's 03 because it can't be 3, since all the numbers are supposed to be read as pairs, so to get something less than 10, it needs to have a 0 in front of it.
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Mehetabel wrote:
Hazman wrote:
ydna wrote:
I think he means "0" = "."

That's probably true as '0' is usually never used as denoting a letter with number


I'm pretty sure it's 03 because it can't be 3, since all the numbers are supposed to be read as pairs, so to get something less than 10, it needs to have a 0 in front of it.

That's assuming the tweet uses the same encoding method.

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Mehetabel wrote:
Hazman wrote:
ydna wrote:
I think he means "0" = "."

That's probably true as '0' is usually never used as denoting a letter with number


I'm pretty sure it's 03 because it can't be 3, since all the numbers are supposed to be read as pairs, so to get something less than 10, it needs to have a 0 in front of it.

I agree.

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MojoCat wrote:
After seeing the subtractive relationships between numbers, I made a full chart with highlighted colors.

This may not help at all, but I hope it may set off a light bulb for someone better at this.



This is actually quite interesting, reading your summary I discovered that if a vigenere or vigenere-like table was used, then numbers with the same negative or* (not and) positive difference would yield the same letter, because they lie on the same diagonal line.

Sorry if this has already been obsevered, I really don't remember...

*) depending on wether the letters in the table shift right or left with each row, that is

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Hazman wrote:
paladin181 wrote:
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The numbers in the video and the numbers in the tweet can't be octal, because they contain digits after 7. Octal only contains 0-7.


Octal is actually 1-8 not 0-7
No, it's not. The same as Decimal is 0-9 and not 1-10. 0-7 is standard, there is no 8 in Octal. 8=10.


Well the translator I used uses 3 digits 1-8 for each letter

Whatever translator you used did not give you values in base 8.

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 		12 numbers given, each representing two numbers respectively, giving 24 letters used, so two missing. That much is pretty much kind of maybe a little bit certain...

Sorry guys, I'm giving up on this for now. If it's not finished in a week I might try to help again.

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 		Damn, I read all 48 pages so far assuming that someone would have already solved it... This had better be something really important, Troy!
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Zarggg wrote:
Hazman wrote:
paladin181 wrote:
Hazman wrote:
Mehetabel wrote:
The numbers in the video and the numbers in the tweet can't be octal, because they contain digits after 7. Octal only contains 0-7.


Octal is actually 1-8 not 0-7
No, it's not. The same as Decimal is 0-9 and not 1-10. 0-7 is standard, there is no 8 in Octal. 8=10.


Well the translator I used uses 3 digits 1-8 for each letter

Whatever translator you used did not give you values in base 8.


I used this one. It gave me the correct translation for the description

http://textop.us/Text-Convert/Octal

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kralyk
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Hazman wrote:

I used this one. It gave me the correct translation for the description

http://textop.us/Text-Convert/Octal

That means it adds +1 to each digit, which is moronic...

EDIT: the tool actually outputs correct digits, notice they are all in range 0~7. It's just a misleading description...

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 		Someone earlier (aarvens) was talking about a key (WAY before we found out about the Nihilist thing, so I don't think they knew)


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I've decided that the codes at the end of the video cannot be deciphered yet.

We're missing the KEY.

Remember the code in TTA's Program we could only solve after getting the KEY for TTA's Advocate?

This has to be the same thing.


The Nihilist cipher uses a "key" as well. I think maybe the Polybius square may be "SEES NOW" and the key may be "PERMANENCE." Can anyone try this?

It's worth a shot.

More about Nihilist cipher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilist_cipher

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kclbm4 wrote:

The Nihilist cipher uses a "key" as well. I think maybe the plaintext may be "SEES NOW" and the key may be "PERMANENCE." Can anyone try this?

More about Nihilist cipher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilist_cipher

I gladly would, I even set up a simple program to generate tables for me, but how big a table should I make? And what to fill the table with?

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 		I meant the Polybius square, not the plaintext haha. The plaintext (as I just learned) is the text you want to encode...

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 		New tweet

marblehornets wrote:
A couple of number pairs follow another pattern, I think. The second number increases by two. 83-95 and 27-39.

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 		I really hope for the sake of everyone on this thread that Jay's not giving us red herrings.

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 		Whoah, finally Jay said something no one here had already noticed. xD Let's see how we can work with that.

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