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[TTA] Surveillance
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EmeraldWind
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anothergreg wrote:
wred16 wrote:
If it is a simple substitution cipher, its too short to solve. Ive analyzed it for bigrams, trigrams, and quadgrams forwards and backwards and come up with nothing.


What about schnozberrygrams?


Curse... you... must... resist... urge... to... finish... movie... reference!

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aidansean
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 		This thread... it's so long! (That's what she said...)

Anyway, I can't remember if anyone tried this yet: Could the digits refer to buttons on a cellphone keypad? I've tried to do all Caeser shifts on the buttons for this and come up with nothing, but I could have missed something. As Jay tweeted, one number could map onto several letters and that fits perfectly. The 0 doesn't appear much because it means nothing (except "operator" in this series?)

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Operator Symbol...

Zodiac Killer Symbol...


No really... you guys see it, too-- right?

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LBfly
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 		I give up.
I love decoding stuff and I thought I was good at it, but... I guess I'll just wait, it's probably not supposed to be decoded right now. I mean, I see people with great math skills not being able to find a logic to solve it... Why should I bother : (


After this drama moment, I'd also like to say that I support the theory the red scene from Surveillance occured moments before Tim screaming on Entry 65. Seems cool to me that Totheark would put it in his video to show us he had access to Tim's footage. I dont see any other reason why the red scene should be there, it has nothing to do with the TV thing and stuff.

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SaferSaturnX
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Serum wrote:
No really... you guys see it, too-- right?

Actually, it just reminded me of the "exclusive or" symbol (⊕), which is funny (although unrelated), because the exclusive or function is used to solve the Vernam cipher, which is an early precursor to the cipher we're trying to solve (based on the Q&A video).

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anothergreg wrote:
wred16 wrote:
If it is a simple substitution cipher, its too short to solve. Ive analyzed it for bigrams, trigrams, and quadgrams forwards and backwards and come up with nothing.


What about schnozberrygrams?

Oh, great idea! I just tried that and decrypted the numbers! Also, in the meantime, using these schnozberrygrams I decrypted the Voynich manuscript and the EU Lisboa Treaty.

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 		When was the last time we saw Alex in a video before this one? "Entry #57" (the last of Tim's tapes)? We heard Alex's voice in 64, but it's been a while since we've seen him. I realize that this was old footage, but I think maybe it's worth noting the event, anyway.

Speaking of old footage, if this clip of Alex really does come from #3, as is the current consensus, then is there any significance to that? The point of #3 was to show that Alex had been filming himself 24/7, that the "vast majority" of Alex's tapes weren't related to his student film, and therefore that he had been very paranoid about something, which at the time we knew almost nothing about. Does any of that shed any light on this video? TTA could have taken footage from any entry; why this one? For that matter, does the original context of the clips of other characters here provide insight into this video?

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 		^^^I figured that bit was supposed to mean that Hoody had been watching as far back as then and/or that Alex was at that point paranoid about Hoody, not The Operator.

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Jingleman
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Baras wrote:
^^^I figured that bit was supposed to mean that Hoody had been watching as far back as then and/or that Alex was at that point paranoid about Hoody, not The Operator.

That could be true. Of course, "Entry #3" is one of those early entries for which the timeline is somewhat difficult to nail down precisely. Still, it's clearly from 2006, when the initial film shoot happened.

I don't know that I would go so far as to say that Alex was paranoid about TTA/Hoody at that time, rather than the Operator, but I could buy it as an indication that TTA/Hoody was around at that time. That might have interesting implications for the theories about TTA being an original cast member, most of which suggest that TTA came to be as a result of that summer, that is, toward the end or after those events came to a head.

On the other hand, if TTA's trying to tell us that he was there, why didn't he do it the way he usually does, by showing us new footage from wherever he was watching ("Exit," "Forecast," 60.5)?

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LBfly
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 		Maybe Alex was getting paranoid because of Hoody, not because of the Operator, if the theory Alex+Operator working together is correct.
I dont believe it but makes sense.

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 		Personally, I think the Operator symbol looks more like a circle with an X through it than a circle with a cross through it.

But this really isn't the right thread for that. Back to numbers, guys. Razz

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 		When Alex and Jay are arguing in season 2 Alex does say that now he's being attacked by masks and that hasn't happened until Jay showed up in the Rosswood area.

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Jingleman
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Zarggg wrote:
Back to numbers, guys. Razz


Would it be beneficial to split off the decoding process into its own thread? For the moment, I guess it's fine to wade through both the numbers and the more general "Surveillance" discussion together, but if more information keeps coming from different sources, like the tweeted numbers did, then would it be simpler to have the decoding stuff in its own central location? For that matter, do we have a "puzzles in progress" thread around here somewhere? Is this the first time we've had a code or puzzle released in stages over time?

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theKVD wrote:
When Alex and Jay are arguing in season 2 Alex does say that now he's being attacked by masks and that hasn't happened until Jay showed up in the Rosswood area.


Embarassed

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Jingleman
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theKVD wrote:
When Alex and Jay are arguing in season 2 Alex does say that now he's being attacked by masks and that hasn't happened until Jay showed up in the Rosswood area.


Great catch. So that counts out the theory that Alex was paranoid about Hoody during 3. So this clip in "Surveillance" could still mean that TTA was around back then without Alex knowing about it, but considering theories about when original cast members would have turned into TTA, that chance is somewhat smaller. Could there be any other significance to TTA's choice of this particular clip of Alex? Or any of the clips of the other characters?

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