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 		I'll let this go for now, but we should merge this into the [TTA] Surveillance thread once we get a solution.

Please do not start another thread for this. If another number puzzle surfaces in a future video, please keep all discussion and codebreaking in that thread, rather than starting a new one.

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karalynnp123 wrote:
Why are we arguing over the fact that TTA may or may not have been there from the beginning?

Isn't there footage of someone filming Jay (when they were still filming Marble Hornets: The Film) as he got more tapes from his car? (or am I remembering wrong?) I have just been assuming that hoody (at least) has been around since all of this started (or really close to the beginning).

Yeah, that was "Exit." It's clear that somebody, presumably Hoody, was around in some capacity during at least some of the original film shoot. The exact timeline remains unclear, though. That's only an issue if you think that Hoody, or TTA, or whoever was one of the original cast members, and if you think that that person or those people were not TTA before the shoot began. So, it's just a discussion of the timeline, which has implications for TTA's backstory and identity. TTA could have picked any clip of Alex, and he chose that one. If he's just telling us he was there during 3, then why would that be significant? We already know he was around by the time of 13/"Exit." That's what we're discussing - is there significance to that choice.

But if there's anything significant in the "Entry #3" clip of Alex, it's probably more thematic or symbolic than literal. What about that time is relevant to now? The paranoia? That Alex was good once? That he was a victim? That he was just like Jay?

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 		I know we've tried difference from one row to another, but I'm exploring the idea of the actual numbers being the difference from one to the next.
(e.g.: 95 → 13 = 82 or 13 → 39 = 26)
So far it looks pointless, but you can never know until you actually find something.

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Oxide wrote:
elford wrote:
Watching #65 again, I noticed something about the red scene. It's the only one to have Tim's face captured in it, the rest of the footage comes from his chestcam, from his point of view.
So who's camera recorded that, him screaming in agony, and how did it end up in the entry? Did his chestcam come off and was re-attached? That doesn't seem likely. What happened there?

I think someone mentioned something like this, but I'll say it anyways.
Maybe the scene of the hand grabbing the camera is of someone taking the chest cam to record Tim. Then the person put it back on Tim later, I guess.

That'd make a lot of sense, considering the "hand" shot comes after the same image of someone standing at the end of a hallway seen in Entry 65. Also, although the shot is the same as in Entry 65, Totheark's version of it seems longer, so it couldn't have been ripped from Jay's upload.

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Serum wrote:
Are we taking numerology into account, here? Like, the mysticism surrounding numbers, like 13 being an unlucky number, the 23 enigma or the number 4 representing evil spirits in Chinese mythology? Could that sort of mind frame help?


Everytime I see that Tim avatar, I know it's a Serum post and I'm about to laugh.


...but I was being totally serious, for once. Sad

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 		That top YouTube comment and more
Because people continue to ask about it on YouTube (I'm really sorry for the size)
Hello everyone. I've been on Unforum for over a year only as a lurker, because my English was awful (it's still not very good, I believe), but I saw Jay tweeting about a substitution cipher and said to myself: "Hey, I like substitution ciphers, it may be the time for me to step in and help". I tried to register on Unforum about 5 days ago, but haven't got my activation till late night yesterday (my time is GMT +4), so I had to post my theories on YouTube. It wasn't quite pleasant to read "I'm really dubious of that answer. One, because it's from the YouTube comments..." and "this guy's probably a troll, so it doesn't really have to make sense", because I spent about 40 hours on deciphering the code. I will address that "OUR ALLY INQUIRE?????? AT LAST. TTA (LOL)" theory later in the post.

I want to tell you what I've done so far, just to clear things up about that YouTube comment, and to prevent someone from possibly going the same useless deciphering routes.

At first, we had these 26 pairs of digits: "79 75 83 27 72 72 24 83 75 68 13 83 27 79 ?????? 68 83 57 68 24 83 79 79 83 57 75 57". And I really believe that we aren't supposed to align them vertically, because digits in the second line are shifted (not sure if this is the right word):

Totheark Trosephim would make certain each digit is strictly under its upper pair, if that was the case.

My efforts on simple substitution ciphers for "ABCDEEFCBGHCDA?????? GCIGFCAACIBI" turned out futile. (Just in case someone doesn't know, ROT13 cipher is a subcase of the Caesar cipher, which is a subcase of a simple substitution cipher, so I covered them all.) Since we have this backward "continueon" in description, I've also tried "FEEDCBAADCHGBC?????? CFGICGIBICAA" (each line backwards) and "ADCHGBCFEEDCBA?????? IBICAACFGICG" (whole blocks backwards) to no avail. I used many websites for help, but mostly these:
http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/cryptogram.php [You can assign same letter for different code symbols, most automatic solvers won't allow that.]
http://scottbryce.com/cryptograms/stats.htm [Useful statistics.]
http://www.morewords.com/ [Dictionary search by parts of the word.]
http://www.blisstonia.com/software/WebDecrypto/index.php [Downloadable automatic solver. For some reason, it works better in "trust spaces" mode, so I had to manually go through (I hope this is the appropriate term) all possible spaces locations, 1-5 spaces for each block.]

After some time, Jay tweeted:
Jay wrote:
Could each number have multiple letters?

The first thing that came to my mind was to decipher every line independently (it was around 1 AM). That is how "OUR ALLY INQUIRE?????? AT LAST. TTA (LOL)" was born. It have been mentioned on page 28 of the current thread:
Cooper640 wrote:
So I just ran across this one posted in the video comments:

Hoodie says in the end: "OUR ALLY INQUIRE?????? AT LAST. TTA (LOL)" (substitution cipher for each line independently, each pair of digits means 1 letter).

Which, that does work, if you only assign a letter to a pair for each line
Code:
79 75 83 27 72 72 24
O  U  R  A  L  L  Y
83 75 68 13 83 27 79
I  N  Q  U  I  R  E
(question marks flash)
68 83 57 68 24 83
A  T  L  A  S  T
79 79 83 57 75 57
T  T  A  L  O  L

I added punctuation to make the message clearer. I also tried to connect this with the name of the video and destruction of the TV around 00:41 (like Jay's passive surveillance finally had come to an end). I equated Hoodie and totheark there, because it's obvious to me that "Surveillance" is made by Hoodie. No one on YouTube seemed to pay attention, so a user named nelord7000 copied my comment. Soon after that I realised that the method is incorrect, because too many options are available. Among them: "FINALLY! IMAGINE, PEOPLE: TTA DVD!"; "MY PUZZLE INSPIRE U TAUNT TTA? LOL"; "PROCEED, TAINTED PEOPLE. I IS EYE";
Code:
79 75 83 27 72 72 24
H  E  Y  L  O  O  K
83 75 68 13 83 27 79
R  E  G  A  R  D  S
(flashing)
68 83 57 68 24 83
P  R  O  P  E  R
79 79 83 57 75 57
T  T  A  I  S  I

I posted some of them on YouTube (making clear that it is a joke), but the weird thing is, nelord7000's comment started to gain likes after that. It's not my or nelord7000's fault that 16 other guys liked it disregarding disproof that I had posted, but someone even called him a dumbass. Whatever. Sorry about causing the distraction.

I also tried deciphering each block (ABCDEEFCBGHCDA, GCIGFCAACIBI) independently, but the best I got was "HIS HAIR RISES".

Speaking of too many options, that is the reason this "YOUR ARK HER LIES" thing from tumblr seemes to me even less relevant, as the method is overcomplicated. I'm sure I'd find more slightly meaningful phrases if I wanted to sum some pairs, maybe backwars, sum digits again, then use QWERTY keyboard or something else as a key... Glad this was disproven by Troy himself. Also (I hope it's OK to write it here), I emailed Troy to his new public email address to make sure that Jay wasn't supposed to decipher the code himself, as someone suggested earlier in this thread. Troy said that anyone can decipher it, given enough time - that was soon after the tweet about 13, 24, 68, 57 etc. pattern (January 6th).

The other idea about "multiple letters" was to match each number (and by that I mean a pair of digits) with a pair of letters, to take account of mirrored pairs. 57-75 then would be like SE-ES, the whole message would become like "AZBYCXDWWDWDFUCXBYGTHSCXDWAZ?????? GTCXYBGTFUCXAZAZCXYBBYYB". Some letters can repeat in different pairs, what makes the deciphering very difficult, but I spent about 10 hours on this... to no avail. The biggest problem was to deal with "DWWDWD" and "YBBYYB". It could be "ALL A LA..." and "...ES SEES", for example, but my level of English hasn't allowed me to get anything but gibberish. I'd suggest you guys try it, but it is probably unrelevant since Jay stresses that +11/+12 pattern. New tweet adds only 4+1 pairs, so it would be 11 digraphs and 3 mirrors: "AZBYCXDWWDWDFUCXBYGTHSCXDWAZ??? GTCXYBGTFUCXAZAZCXYBBYYB... EVHSIRJQHSAZKPCXEVSHAZ" The difficult part is, again, that letters can repeat in different pairs, so you can't use common automatic solvers.

About that 2/5 thing. I tried to work on the idea of "2-pairs" representing a consonant and "5-pairs" representing a vowel, or vice versa. Maybe new piece of code have rendered this unrelevant, or maybe it will work with "11-pairs" (13, 24, 35, 68, 57, 79; mirrors 31, 75 - in fact, all "2-pairs") and "12-pairs" (03, 27, 39; 83, 95; a mirror 72). I don't see how we can get something from substitution ciphers, simple, Vigenère or Playfair, with any random keywords, until we understand this +11/+12 pattern.

It also seems too much for a coincidence, that 24 is always followed by 83, 2 times of 2. We can't get much info from it, though.

Sorry for the wall of text, I hope it helped in some way. I just wanted to speak out so much after 5 days. I'm too tired to work on this cipher any more, so good luck everyone.

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 		Your English is definitely good enough to discuss stuff on unfiction. Welcome. Smile Posts would be easier to read if you put empty lines between your paragraphs, though.

Like the space around this line. Razz

Anyway, that email from Troy is interesting. Assuming that "given enough time" isn't just a sneaky way of saying "given that enough time has passed that you are in the future where more information is available"... but really, I suspect that the puzzle is supposed to be solvable now. It would make sense in-universe for Jay to wonder what the answer is without figuring it out, but from a storytelling pov it would just be a dick move to drop so many hints and have them be completely pointless. >_>

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 		Re: A breakthrough...maybe?
Or just luck again...
kclbm4 wrote:
So in the Marble Hornets GMX panel, they said they were saving a cipher from Tim's textbook for Season 3 that would be extremely hard (Guess they remembered!). They also hinted it could (maybe) be a transposition cipher...


It may be a long shot, but I want to find and read this textbook. (Maybe it will contain something relevant to this puzzle, maybe not. In any case, reading a cryptography textbook can't possibly hurt.)

We can find the book with a bit of luck. First, I need to know where did Tim study. (I imagine you could find that out on his Facebook page. So... anyone?) I know that at least my University meticulously keeps track of every course and every used textbook of its webpage. So: learn the name of Tim's college -> goto website -> check course descriptions -> Cryptography 101 -> recommended literature section -> success! Or maybe failure. But it's worth trying.
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 		Problem is, I can't even find his Facebook. ARG

But if anyone could, that would be amazing.

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kclbm4 wrote:
Problem is, I can't even find his Facebook. ARG

But if anyone could, that would be amazing.


It's here.
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 		Don't you generally make your own key with this sort of thing? I mean, it would kind of be easy to crack if it were completely standardized.

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rand__althor wrote:
kclbm4 wrote:
Problem is, I can't even find his Facebook. ARG

But if anyone could, that would be amazing.


It's here.

No, Tim's Facebook is here. But they go to the same school anyway.

Even if you can solve the puzzle this way, it's cheating. Rolling Eyes

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 		New tweet:
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9:57 AM - 9 Jan 13: Still no progress on this code. Tim suggested that there might be an order the numbers are supposed to go in before it can be deciphered.

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 		Theory
If it is a transposition cipher, considering the "noeunitnoc" in the description and the fact that there probably are only two columns in this cipher, shouldn't we invert those columns and use "permanence" as a key word to decipher it? (Since "permanence" and "continue on" have kind of the same meaning...) Or maybe consider the fact that the numbers in the video have an even number of pairs...

Since Jay just tweeted that "Tim suggested that there might be an order the numbers are supposed to go in before it can be deciphered", I think reordering the columns in the pairs might lead to a progress. But if the reordering refers to the pairs in relation to each other, I can't think of anything...

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BranRainey wrote:
rand__althor wrote:
kclbm4 wrote:
Problem is, I can't even find his Facebook. ARG

But if anyone could, that would be amazing.


It's here.

No, Tim's Facebook is here. But they go to the same school anyway.

Even if you can solve the puzzle this way, it's cheating. Rolling Eyes


An update: so, thanks to the kind people above, I determined that Tim went to Auburn University. (If not, the whole chain of reasoning fails instantly)
And as it happens, there is a pretty popular elementary cryptography textbook written by professors of AU, titled "Coding Theory and Cryptography: The Essentials". Is that the book Tim used? I dunno. Maybe. Maybe not. Anyway, seems like a nice book. Merely opening it should give +1 to your code breaking stat.

I think I know where to get it online for free, but I am afraid that if gave you the link, Mr. Zarggg would zap me with his mod powers. Here's an amazone link for all the law-obedient folks out there:
http://www.amazon.com/Coding-Theory-Cryptography-Essentials-Mathematics/dp/0824704657#reader_0824704657
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