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[TTA] Surveillance
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Oxide
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Should we really still go with the continue on thing?

Cougar Draven wrote:

DemanusFlint wrote:

it's solved on the first page, sixth post. "continue on" from a reversed octal->ascii code

Okay, I've had a look, independently confirmed that that indeed does translate as "noeunitnoc", and immediately classified it as a red herring.

Everyone has apparently made the leap that this is indeed a thing, instead of questioning why one set of numbers would be a conversion from octal to ascii, whereas [i]literally every other cipher in the video[i] (as well as supporting external media) would be in a completely different form. There's no logic to it, and it doesn't support what we've had to deal with in TTA in the past.

For now, until I am unequivocally proven wrong, I'm dismissing "continue on".

Video Set One
79 75 83 27 72 72 24
83 75 68 13 83 27 79

Video Set Two
68 83 57 68 24 83
79 79 83 57 75 57

Twitter Set
95 13 39 03 13 79 35 83 95 31 79

Description Set
15 61 57 14 51
65 15 61 51 16
41 56 15 71 43

The description does have multiple of the same pairs (15, 51, 61), has mirrored versions of pairs (15 - 51, 16 - 61), and has one pair in common with the video numbers (57, which is also a mirror of 27).

Also, "15" fits into the "+12 pattern" (03, 15, 27, 39).

The "+12 pattern" must have a rule of "second digit resets to 3", because if the second digit resets to 1, we wouldn't get to "83" (39, 41, 53, 65, 77, 89).
Therefore, "43" and "79" are part of the "+12 pattern" (43, [55], [67], 79) with "55" and "67" being missing pairs.

I am assuming that the second digit of the first pair in the pattern is where the second digit will rest after reaching is maximum; since the "+12 pattern" starts with "03", and seems to reset the second digit to 3 when the second digit would go over 9 (39, 43 and 79, 83).

With this line of reasoning, we can assume (and probably already have) that the "+11 pattern" (13, 24, 35, [46], 57, 68, 79) starts with "02", and may also end with "82" and "93" ([02], 13, 24, 35, [46], 57, 68, 79, [82], [93]). As you can see, after "79", the second digit would reset to 2, since that is the second digit of the supposed first pair ("02").

At this point, I assumed there was a "+13 pattern" that starts at "04" and resets the second digit to 4, but then we would only be able to get:
04, 17, 24, 37, 44, 57, 64, 77, 84, 97
Unless, the "maximum" of the second digit is actually zero rather than 9. In which case:
04, 17, 20, 34, 47, 50, 64, 77, 80, 94
The first one looks interesting though, because it has pairs that are already in another pattern. Could that show us how a "number" can have multiple letters?

I want to point out that the patterns aren't exactly "+11" (and so on), but rather " the first digit increases by 1, while the second digit increases by [set number]". It still isn't even that either, because of the "reset the second digit" stuff.

Here's a pattern list (brackets denote pairs that don't appear in any of the four sets):
"+11": [02], 13, 24, 35, [46], 57, 68, 79, [82], [93]
"+12": 03, 15, 27, 39, 43, [55], [67], 79, 83, 95
"+13": [04], [17], 24, [37], [44], 57, [64], [77], [84], [97]

One other thing: Jay hasn't mentioned the numbers in the description yet. So, either he hasn't noticed them, hasn't made a connection yet, or they aren't related to the video numbers (or the twitter ones).

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:27 am

ydna
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Location: Brazil

Cougar Draven wrote:

For now, until I am unequivocally proven wrong, I'm dismissing "continue on".

There has been binary and ASCII here before (which is pretty common among ARGs, thus no big surprise), so a leap to octal is quite not a big deal. Even though it had to be inverted subsequently to make sense, TTA often scrambles text, so I don't see why it should not be regarded as a solution. It's simple, and it fits the ARG profile.

Also, this would not be the first time. "Indicator" had binary ASCII which was partially inverted.

Oxide wrote:

One other thing: Jay hasn't mentioned the numbers in the description yet. So, either he hasn't noticed them, hasn't made a connection yet, or they aren't related to the video numbers (or the twitter ones).

Or maybe he recognized our solution and is not making any efforts to correct us, which doesn't mean the description is not related, just that probably the message itself is what's relevant.

Finally, not only does that string not cointain any 8s or 9s (indicating octal base), it also has a completely different distribution than the other codes:

Code:

0.367 -> 1
0.033 -> 3
0.100 -> 4
0.267 -> 5
0.167 -> 6
0.067 -> 7

Adding that sequence to the other codes does decrease entropy, but octal/ascii is lowly entropic so it's expected.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:11 am

Aeliott
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Joined: 26 Apr 2012
Posts: 48

OOG:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYqrxopLvk&feature=youtu.be&t=6m15s I wonder if this is what they are talking about here... Razz

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:51 pm

ydna
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Joined: 11 Mar 2010
Posts: 78
Location: Brazil

Aeliott wrote:

OOG:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYqrxopLvk&feature=youtu.be&t=6m15s I wonder if this is what they are talking about here... Razz

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

I think someone mentioned it before, but yeah, could be the case here. Specially with "continues on" as a description... :p

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:08 pm

ReeseSparrow
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Location: The Dark Margin

Quote:

Here's a pattern list (brackets denote pairs that don't appear in any of the four sets):
"+11": [02], 13, 24, 35, [46], 57, 68, 79, [82], [93]
"+12": 03, 15, 27, 39, 43, [55], [67], 79, 83, 95
"+13": [04], [17], 24, [37], [44], 57, [64], [77], [84], [97]

By this logic, the set beginning with zero would be +9, or +1 first digit, -1 second digit, if you look at it by way of individual digit pattern. I recall Jay tweeting that he wondered if there was a point where it began at zero...if so that set would be:
"+9": 00, 09, 18, 27, 36, 45, 54, 63, 72, 81, 90, 99
However the only number in that set that appears in the message is 27. I don't know if it really is relevant or just Jay trying to appear immersed in solving this... I wonder if it could have something to do with the overlap of what appears in multiple sets, like 79 being in +11 and +12, or 27 being in +12 and (theoretically) +9. Gonna have to do some more thinking on it.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:10 pm

operated9
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Joined: 22 Apr 2011
Posts: 33

Aeliott wrote:

OOG:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYqrxopLvk&feature=youtu.be&t=6m15s I wonder if this is what they are talking about here... Razz

After watching this, I'm convinced that this cipher really does reveal a lot. For that reason, Jay could be throwing us off track with various 'hints' so that the thing remains unsolved.

....Which makes me even more determined to crack it!

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:55 pm

fraanlaramore
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Joined: 10 Jan 2013
Posts: 12
Location: Concepcion, Chile

operated9 wrote:

Aeliott wrote:

OOG:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYqrxopLvk&feature=youtu.be&t=6m15s I wonder if this is what they are talking about here... Razz

Okay... i'm new and i've been lurking in here a lot,so that's first.

So,my question is: do we have everything to crack this, or Jay may give us more help before being able to do it?

I'm asking this because I saw in previous pages that we were already able to crack this code, however, it has not been possible yet. I already know that there might be a keyword to do this and the order of the pairs has an important role in this decoding process ( I hope I'm not too obvious, and if i am being like that, blame my bad English Sad

), but why making it so difficult? THIS MUST BE IMPORTANT.

Seriously, if the message is something vague or nonsense, as the frustrated girl I am, throwing myself from a cliff won't be difficult hahaha

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:27 pm

paladin181
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Joined: 14 Nov 2011
Posts: 502

George G wrote:

BranRainey wrote:

rand__althor wrote:

kclbm4 wrote:

Problem is, I can't even find his Facebook. ARG

But if anyone could, that would be amazing.

It's here.

No, Tim's Facebook is here. But they go to the same school anyway.

Even if you can solve the puzzle this way, it's cheating. Rolling Eyes

An update: so, thanks to the kind people above, I determined that Tim went to Auburn University.

Calling a Tide Student a Tiger student? that's a quick way to write your own epitaph. They take their rivalry pretty seriously in Alabama.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:23 pm

ReeseSparrow
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Joined: 09 Jan 2013
Posts: 172
Location: The Dark Margin

Looks like some people are saying this video is related:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDZPV8HMsjg
The numbers in it's title are the same as the description of surveillance.
I highly doubt it since looking at his youtube activity reveals he is a MH follower, and the video in question was posted the day after Surveillance. It looks like it was most likely posted after the fact with the numbers from the description just to troll. Or be stupid.

Edit: oops i linked the wrong video, it's right now.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:06 pm
Last edited by ReeseSparrow on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:08 pm; edited 2 times in total

George G
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Joined: 27 Mar 2011
Posts: 115

paladin181 wrote:

George G wrote:

BranRainey wrote:

rand__althor wrote:

kclbm4 wrote:

Problem is, I can't even find his Facebook. ARG

But if anyone could, that would be amazing.

It's here.

No, Tim's Facebook is here. But they go to the same school anyway.

Even if you can solve the puzzle this way, it's cheating. Rolling Eyes

An update: so, thanks to the kind people above, I determined that Tim went to Auburn University.

Calling a Tide Student a Tiger student? that's a quick way to write your own epitaph. They take their rivalry pretty seriously in Alabama.

It's that serious? Makes me happy to live on the other side of the planet then Razz

One way or the other, that The Auburn Misunderstanding has already been cleared. (But at the moment I am feeling to lazy to go google what kind of textbooks do they use in the University of Alabama.)

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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:31 pm

Zarggg
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Joined: 23 Dec 2010
Posts: 1660

ReeseSparrow wrote:

Looks like some people are saying this video is related:
http://youtu.be/LXO-jKksQkM
The numbers in it's title are the same as the description of surveillance.
I highly doubt it since looking at his youtube activity reveals he is a MH follower, and the video in question was posted the day after Surveillance. It looks like it was most likely posted after the fact with the numbers from the description just to troll. Or be stupid.

A dubstep dance video from 2011?

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:01 pm

ReeseSparrow
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Joined: 09 Jan 2013
Posts: 172
Location: The Dark Margin

I accidentally linked the wrong vid. Its in the edit.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:09 pm

Kraehtot
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Joined: 03 Jan 2013
Posts: 438
Location: Hoody Hut

fraanlaramore wrote:

operated9 wrote:

Aeliott wrote:

OOG:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYqrxopLvk&feature=youtu.be&t=6m15s I wonder if this is what they are talking about here... Razz

NOTE:I am going to answer her in our own languaje in order to express myself better and make her underestand everything I want to tell, so please, I beg everybody not to feel angry or something because of reading a comment in a languaje you (posibly) don't understand. If it suposes any trouble, I'll translate the message.

�Otra hispanohablante! Very Happy

No te preocupes, creo que se entiende m�s o menos lo que quieres decir ^^

A tus preguntas puedo responder lo siguiente:
No se sabe a ciencia cierta si tenemos todas las piezas para resolver este rompecabezas. De momento no tenemos m�s que los v�deos y los tweets de Jay (Troy) en @MarbleHornets. Sin embargo, alguien escribi� al correo p�blico de Troy pregunt�ndole si se supon�a que deb�amos resolver el enigma antes de la nueva Entry, o algo as� y al parecer Troy respondi� que con tiempo, cualquiera pod�a resolverlo. Lo que no sabemos es si quiere decir que nos faltan pistas que se nos ir�n dando con el tiempo, o si simplemente es que hay que dedicar m�s tiempo para determinar el significado.
En cuanto a todo el tema de hacer tan incre�blemente cr�ptico y dif�cil este mensaje en particular (los n�meros siguen varios patrones a la vez, al parecer necesitan un orden concreto, no tenemos m�s pistas o claves que otra cifra tweeteada por TTA y las obviedades que escribe Jay...), la mayor�a pensamos que s�, es porque tiene alg�n dato de una relevancia elevada.
Un saludo, y espero haber respondido a alguna duda.

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Code:

13 24 35 46 57 68 79 83 95 03 15 27 39
an bo cp dq er fs gt hu iv jw kx ly mz

Timman Rescue!

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:38 pm

Baras
Boot

Joined: 01 Jan 2013
Posts: 61

With the amount of gibberish I have going on in my notebook I sincerely hope none of my family decides to take a gander through it. :/

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:09 pm

Reila
Boot

Joined: 28 Sep 2009
Posts: 45
Location: Norway

@marblehornets
Adding in an unused number (46), I've found what might be a complete pattern: 13, 24, 35, 46, 57, 68, and 79.

what gives him the right to add another number out of no where!? (and why would he chose exactly 46? :P)

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:37 pm

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