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[TTA] Surveillance
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rand__althor
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Reila wrote:
@marblehornets
Adding in an unused number (46), I've found what might be a complete pattern: 13, 24, 35, 46, 57, 68, and 79.

what gives him the right to add another number out of no where!? (and why would he chose exactly 46? Razz)


Because 46 fits the pattern.

So we've got:

13
24
35
46
57
68
79

And I'm just playing with how to display the numbers because I suck at cryptology.

If J's adding in a pair of numbers, I wondered what would come after the 79.

80
91
02
13

and we're back to start. Yeah, I know this probably doesn't contribute anything.

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Reila
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Ooh, hey, would you look at that. Well then!
I just get overwhelmed by all the numbers hah

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Oxide
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ReeseSparrow wrote:
Looks like some people are saying this video is related:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDZPV8HMsjg
The numbers in it's title are the same as the description of surveillance.
I highly doubt it since looking at his youtube activity reveals he is a MH follower, and the video in question was posted the day after Surveillance. It looks like it was most likely posted after the fact with the numbers from the description just to troll. Or be stupid.

Edit: oops i linked the wrong video, it's right now.

It was mentioned on page 20, and been disproven (or whatever, blah).

twistedpuppet wrote:
baseballfuries08 wrote:
Hey, someone googled the numbers and came up with this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDZPV8HMsjg

Other people seems to have found it too, according to the comments. And there are some... interesting things. The description, the general distortion. Probably leads to nothing, but anyway...

That video is a dead end. It's not from an official MH source and the lady who made it says that it's basically just her being bored and wanting to do something. Moving on.

A comment by the video creator said something like; "this is what happens when I get bored. That is all."

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:52 pm
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Baras wrote:
With the amount of gibberish I have going on in my notebook I sincerely hope none of my family decides to take a gander through it. :/


Yeah, that's nothing-- I have a huge notebook filled with information I've collected on the urban legend of the "haunted" arcade cabinet Polybius. Try getting to sleep after reading that.

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Oxide
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rand__althor wrote:
Reila wrote:
@marblehornets
Adding in an unused number (46), I've found what might be a complete pattern: 13, 24, 35, 46, 57, 68, and 79.

what gives him the right to add another number out of no where!? (and why would he chose exactly 46? Razz)


Because 46 fits the pattern.

So we've got:

13
24
35
46
57
68
79

And I'm just playing with how to display the numbers because I suck at cryptology.

If J's adding in a pair of numbers, I wondered what would come after the 79.

80
91
02
13

and we're back to start. Yeah, I know this probably doesn't contribute anything.

There's this pattern and that pattern, but what does that have to do with figuring out which numbers mean what letters? I can't figure it out. I wish Jay was more specific when he said that "numbers" could have "multiple letters"; like, by what method?

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karalynnp123
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"‏@marblehornets 83 could come after 79, too. The pattern started off with 3 as the second digit. 95 might come after that too."

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TheKraken
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Yeah, tht whole "multiple letters" thing has thrown me off so hard. If each pair can mean more than one thing, how are you even supposed to figure out what's what?

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kralyk
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Two new tweets:
Quote:
Adding in an unused number (46), I've found what might be a complete pattern: 13, 24, 35, 46, 57, 68, and 79.

Quote:
83 could come after 79, too. The pattern started off with 3 as the second digit. 95 might come after that too.


...which we already know, so, uhm, yeah, very freakin useful Very Happy


Even though the patterns sure are interesting, I really don't see how it's gonna help us. The fact that all/most of the numbers follow a pattern actually reduces the entropy (or amount of possible information, if you will) conatined in them.

This could mean that there maybe never ever was any textual information behind those numbers, that they should be used in some other way.

EDIT: Never mind, forget I posted anything, it's solved in the other thread...

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operated9
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Anyone else sense that things are starting to feel a bit.. odd?

First, looking for patterns and putting the unique pairs in order certainly looks fun, but it overlooks the significance of how many times each pair appears.
I've considered the possibility that the pairs' frequencies somehow determine their value (eg. 72 appears twice, so 72 / 2 gives us 36....). But for all we know, a new chain of random digits might appear tomorrow, giving us a whole new set of occurrence counts for the pairs, not to mention disrupting the orders/patterns (as did the 3rd set of numbers).

Second, if part of the decoding method is substitution, it would probably be easier to make an anagram of the letters/digraphs/etc after they've been translated, rather than shuffling all the numbers into order now (and effectively dismissing all relevance of the 2x7 row separated from the 2x6 by ????...)

Third, I really thought Jay's first hints about a pattern might lead to something - some of the numbers really did fit. But his latest tweets adds a new pair to complete a sequence that actually breaks from the original solid pattern:
Code:
Adding in an unused number (46), I've found what might be a complete pattern: 13, 24, 35, 46, 57, 68, and 79.

Quote:
83 could come after 79, too. The pattern started off with 3 as the second digit. 95 might come after that too.


83 > 95...? Why not just throw in 102 and 116 after that? Confused

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Rodion Romanovich
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maddielyne wrote:
So all the numbers fit into one of two patterns, excluding 31, 72, 75 because they have mirrors that do fit. Jay implied that the mirrors mean the same as their reverse in his tweet where he corrected himself with a different number (57 for 75).

The second digit is increased by 1 between numbers, with initial number 02:

(02), 13, 24, 35, (46), 57, 68, 79

The second digit is increased by 2 between numbers, with initial number 03:

03, (15), 27, 39, (43), (55), (67), (79), 83, 95

Now these patterns only increase until the second digit hits 9, then it resets, as seen in the second pattern with all the absent numbers between 39 and 83.


Quoting this post again since Jay's latest tweets pretty much confirms that these two patterns are what we have to work with.

EDIT: Actually, no. Jay seems to go from one pattern to the other at 79 (which belongs to both). Now why would he do that?? I'm beginning to understand why all other characters hate you, Jay.

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fraanlaramore
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Kraehtot wrote:
fraanlaramore wrote:
operated9 wrote:
Aeliott wrote:
OOG:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYqrxopLvk&feature=youtu.be&t=6m15s I wonder if this is what they are talking about here... Razz


After watching this, I'm convinced that this cipher really does reveal a lot. For that reason, Jay could be throwing us off track with various 'hints' so that the thing remains unsolved.

....Which makes me even more determined to crack it!


Okay... i'm new and i've been lurking in here a lot,so that's first.

So,my question is: do we have everything to crack this, or Jay may give us more help before being able to do it?

I'm asking this because I saw in previous pages that we were already able to crack this code, however, it has not been possible yet. I already know that there might be a keyword to do this and the order of the pairs has an important role in this decoding process ( I hope I'm not too obvious, and if i am being like that, blame my bad English Sad ), but why making it so difficult? THIS MUST BE IMPORTANT.

Seriously, if the message is something vague or nonsense, as the frustrated girl I am, throwing myself from a cliff won't be difficult hahaha


NOTE:I am going to answer her in our own languaje in order to express myself better and make her underestand everything I want to tell, so please, I beg everybody not to feel angry or something because of reading a comment in a languaje you (posibly) don't understand. If it suposes any trouble, I'll translate the message.

¡Otra hispanohablante! Very Happy No te preocupes, creo que se entiende más o menos lo que quieres decir ^^

A tus preguntas puedo responder lo siguiente:
No se sabe a ciencia cierta si tenemos todas las piezas para resolver este rompecabezas. De momento no tenemos más que los vídeos y los tweets de Jay (Troy) en @MarbleHornets. Sin embargo, alguien escribió al correo público de Troy preguntándole si se suponía que debíamos resolver el enigma antes de la nueva Entry, o algo así y al parecer Troy respondió que con tiempo, cualquiera podía resolverlo. Lo que no sabemos es si quiere decir que nos faltan pistas que se nos irán dando con el tiempo, o si simplemente es que hay que dedicar más tiempo para determinar el significado.
En cuanto a todo el tema de hacer tan increíblemente críptico y difícil este mensaje en particular (los números siguen varios patrones a la vez, al parecer necesitan un orden concreto, no tenemos más pistas o claves que otra cifra tweeteada por TTA y las obviedades que escribe Jay...), la mayoría pensamos que sí, es porque tiene algún dato de una relevancia elevada.
Un saludo, y espero haber respondido a alguna duda.


Seriously, you are the cutest pie on earth Worshippy

Thanks for answering, I really appreciate that.

But going back to the topic: what's missing? this code has been giving me headaches for almost a week, in fact, my grandpa worked in the army and learned cryptography, last night we stayed until 3 am trying to crack this thing,and the results being nothing but random letters.

We tried transposition, VICTOR ciphers and substitution ciphers, polybius square and other ciphers with weird names, and nothing. He said that if we had the keyword to this code may be pretty easy, so we watched almost every TTA video, searching for anything that would help us to resolve this, and again, nothing came up, except for that "sigma", which,of what I can remember, didn't worked at all.

OH GOD IM DYING, GUYSSSSSS

NOTE: I don't want to be a nuisance, but again, I hope I wrote this in a decent way,at least. Sad

oh and btw, who was the guy who wrote a massive post with lots of valuable information and some of you thought that it was Jay or someone from the MH crew?

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Abalone
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I was wondering if we should try putting the pairs in the order jay just Tweeted and then try matching the digits in the tens place against one keyword an he digits in the ones place against a second keyword... Or same two keywords, just forward and reverse. This would appease the "each pair could represent more than one letter" deal while also making each actual digit (regardless of place) represent more than one letter.

Edit: Never mind. Getting gobbledygook. Brain fart.

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saksxalmo
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'Kay, so using the "missing" numbers and translating them alphanumerically, you get...

46 83 95

DF HC IE

Hmm.... Chef ID? Clearly TTA is trying to reveal his passion for cooking to us.

This is too hard, guys. Sad

EDIT: Damn, new Tweet. That would add A and E.

AE DF HC IE

A chef die?? That doesn't sound good.

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karalynnp123
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"@marblehornets Judging by the 83-95 and 27-39 pattern, what comes after 03 could be 15. Second number plus two."

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Oxide
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Rodion Romanovich wrote:
maddielyne wrote:
So all the numbers fit into one of two patterns, excluding 31, 72, 75 because they have mirrors that do fit. Jay implied that the mirrors mean the same as their reverse in his tweet where he corrected himself with a different number (57 for 75).

The second digit is increased by 1 between numbers, with initial number 02:

(02), 13, 24, 35, (46), 57, 68, 79

The second digit is increased by 2 between numbers, with initial number 03:

03, (15), 27, 39, (43), (55), (67), (79), 83, 95

Now these patterns only increase until the second digit hits 9, then it resets, as seen in the second pattern with all the absent numbers between 39 and 83.


Quoting this post again since Jay's latest tweets pretty much confirms that these two patterns are what we have to work with.

I knew I saw that pattern posted somewhere in this thread before; thanks for digging it up.
Although, with one of Jay's latest posts, it looks like we can't start from "02".
Unless, his latest post might actually have some meaning we're overlooking?

marblehornets wrote:
83 could come after 79, too. The pattern started off with 3 as the second digit. 95 might come after that too.

Now that I think about it, maybe Jay was talking about the second pattern rather than the first one? If that's the case, then we are on the right track.
If not, then where does a number like "31" fit into a pattern, if every pattern can't have a second digit lower than 3?
I'm just assuming they all start with 3 as the second digit, because the second pattern starts with "03" and Jay says the first pattern starts with "13".

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