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I disagree, I think Adam's acting was really solid here, up to par with Evan's craziness. Since the Catharsis video, his acting has been really good. This crossover is really awesome, a breath of fresh air for both series. I also think that Micheal is in the bathroom and if so - that would mean that this was the first time 3 series have crossed over in one video in the same shot before.


Well...I guess I could agree. Sometimes he DOES get it right.

Adam one time pointed out the reason why his acting is different in season 2 is because Noah is "broken". In the Live Stream Incident, Noah was broken. He was shattered. Now he's just waiting for death, to be taken into the Collective and becoming a monster and somehow it got easy to laugh out loud (yes, I'm quoting "We've Been Had" by The Walkmen)

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 		Alright, so I normally don't keep up with this thread because I always feel like I'm missing something because I hadn't realize this forum exists until a couple months ago. But here's my shot at trying to keep up:

Personally, I'm agree and disagree with the crossovers thing. I think that crossovers are really cool, but with all great things, moderation. My boyfriend and I still are holding out for either WF or KG to crossover into EMH simply because we think there universes are more versatile. So I have my fingers crossed, but we will just have to wait.

My theory on the shared/not shared universes is this:

What if, instead of everything being in one solid universe, that every slender series is its own perspective of one universe. Instead of being a linear thing, Slenderman is a changing constant in each universe. Thus that would give room for the channels to be there own story, but still connect without having to change everything so it is all consistent. This would best describe why EMH's Habit, TT's collective and DH's cult can exist (or in the case of WF and KG, KG's use of the black dog doesn't affect WF's story at all), but never really affect each other in a major way. It's like a door opening is the equivalent to opening a door to a parallel universe, but you can always return. I dunno, just a theory.

Now I must admit, I haven't watched MLA yet. After watching EMH, TT, and DH all within the same time frame, I really just wanted to take a break from all the big names and see what smaller series (which I usually prefer, in all honesty, even though EMH is my favourite). When I have time I will certainly have to check it out.

I think it would be pretty funny if the only reason Habit is helping everyone is so that he can become some type of "ruler of the realm". Sounds like him. Aha.

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I have an idea about maybe why habit would give Noah that information. Maybe he wants to make an alliance against slendy. He has already stabbed slendy with the knife and the symbol maybe, so he is no longer under his control. Now he wants noah , or firebrand when he becomes it to stab him. And also, I see a lot of people saying the guy in the bathroom is Michael. I don't follow mlanderson but if Patrick is controlled by slendy then maybe he wants Patrick to stab him too, but he won't let him and habit is torturing him until he does.


I, uh...disagree. A lot.
For one thing, I HABIT was never under control of the Slenderman.
Another thing...actually, nevermind. How about I just proclaim my support for the theory posted in the TribeTwelve thread by [forgot username] and leave it there?

[qupte="OMGItsAPancake"]Slenderman is a changing constant in each universe.[/quote]
Not sure what exactly you mean by this, but I find it interesting. Is there any way that you could elaborate? (More so than you did in your post, since that confused me.)

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 		Posted it on TT thread, but this one could be more appropriate.

I do not like the fact that HABIT at the moment is nothing more than a Villain Sue of the Slenderverse at the expense of Slender Man himself, which is a main sign of any Sue character. It's just bad writing.

HABIT is always many steps ahead of everyone, knows everything, he defeated (temporarily, but whatever) Slender Man himself, offed lot's of people on screen, controls the Rake (probably). As far as his powers go - it's a pure Villain Sue: he is unkillable, can transfer minds, teleport etc. - he can do much more than Slender Man.

Even worse, though - they try too hard to make him look all demonic and pure evil. Lot's of cliches including: "want to show someone's evil? Make him nazi collaborator", Joker mannerisms and baby-eating were used. If we are to assume that he is a legit character and not some form of meta-commentary, Slenderverse would always have a big trouble with writing out there.

As a watcher, I'd prefer guys to return back to Slenderseries.

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 		No one has said it yet so I will: Comic Saaaaaans!

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SignerJ wrote:
Habit was never under control of the Slenderman


So far we have only seen a fraction of habits life. Who's to say at one time he wasn't under control by slenderman

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Oransel wrote:
Posted it on TT thread, but this one could be more appropriate.

I do not like the fact that HABIT at the moment is nothing more than a Villain Sue of the Slenderverse at the expense of Slender Man himself, which is a main sign of any Sue character. It's just bad writing.

HABIT is always many steps ahead of everyone, knows everything, he defeated (temporarily, but whatever) Slender Man himself, offed lot's of people on screen, controls the Rake (probably). As far as his powers go - it's a pure Villain Sue: he is unkillable, can transfer minds, teleport etc. - he can do much more than Slender Man.

Even worse, though - they try too hard to make him look all demonic and pure evil. Lot's of cliches including: "want to show someone's evil? Make him nazi collaborator", Joker mannerisms and baby-eating were used. If we are to assume that he is a legit character and not some form of meta-commentary, Slenderverse would always have a big trouble with writing out there.

As a watcher, I'd prefer guys to return back to Slenderseries.


Ugh I had this whole response and deleted it by mistake. Here we go again.

A simple solution to the problem you speak of is if Slenderman kicks HABIT's ass in the future. One way or another, HABIT has to be defeated, since an evil entity with a personality is a lot harder to accept having no repercussions than Slenderman would be. But since HABIT would have stolen the spotlight from Slendy too much otherwise, Slenderman should at least have a turn in bringing HABIT down a peg. Otherwise, I do think you'd have a point, if EMH ended with HABIT able to defy Slendy with no comeback.

About him being able to do more than Slenderman, I disagree. We don't have any proof he can teleport, do we? Unless there was proof in the latest video, I don't know, I watch EMH for EMH not TT so I skipped a lot of it. Either way, Slenderman is nigh-unkillable, can teleport, control people (as mentioned in Very Happy) which would make him capable of a lot of the things HABIT is, cause slendersickness, kill and so on. All HABIT's got going for him is the bodysnatching (again though, Slendy can control people as well) and the fact he can make those bodies superhuman or (in Evan's case at least) even capable of regeneration. But a superhuman human body would still get messed up by somebody practically invincible like Slenderman, even if it regenerates. And honestly Slenderman's been shown to do so much already, I wouldn't be surprised if he can even harm HABIT's "spirit", not just his bodies.

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Ugh I had this whole response and deleted it by mistake. Here we go again.

A simple solution to the problem you speak of is if Slenderman kicks HABIT's ass in the future. One way or another, HABIT has to be defeated, since an evil entity with a personality is a lot harder to accept having no repercussions than Slenderman would be. But since HABIT would have stolen the spotlight from Slendy too much otherwise, Slenderman should at least have a turn in bringing HABIT down a peg. Otherwise, I do think you'd have a point, if EMH ended with HABIT able to defy Slendy with no comeback.

About him being able to do more than Slenderman, I disagree. We don't have any proof he can teleport, do we? Unless there was proof in the latest video, I don't know, I watch EMH for EMH not TT so I skipped a lot of it. Either way, Slenderman is nigh-unkillable, can teleport, control people (as mentioned in Very Happy) which would make him capable of a lot of the things HABIT is, cause slendersickness, kill and so on. All HABIT's got going for him is the bodysnatching (again though, Slendy can control people as well) and the fact he can make those bodies superhuman or (in Evan's case at least) even capable of regeneration. But a superhuman human body would still get messed up by somebody practically invincible like Slenderman, even if it regenerates. And honestly Slenderman's been shown to do so much already, I wouldn't be surprised if he can even harm HABIT's "spirit", not just his bodies.


I agree with you, HABIT should be defeated. As far as power level goes - it's not that important, really.

I was ok with HABIT being that mysterious demonic sadistic entity which battles Slenderman, but ever since he inhabited Evan (who obviously enjoys playing the character) it all went downhill. I have already explained my main complaint - he is badly written. Villain Sue tropes are all over the place. If he was a well made villain without horrible cliches as his defining traits, without being copycat of a Joker and without offensive connotation about him being responsible for most of the evil in the world, I'd be glad to see him fighting Slenderman.

It was not that important to me, since EMH was a very very slow series and relatively self-contained. But now with TT crossover and possible MLA and DH crossovers, this bad writing may spill on the other series. I kinda agree with that JustJim guy in TT thread:

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I watched the whole thing, and paid complete attention. The Habit just strikes me as crazy and chaotic for the sake of being crazy and chaotic, with a little bit of a Joker homage thrown in for good measure. The actual substance of what he was saying seemed a bit too much of a deus ex machina out of nowhere. "Hey Noah! I'm a crazy villain in this other series, but I've briefly summoned you into my nutty nonsensical world to directly tell you how to solve your problems! Remember, though, I'm tough and scary! I ate a baby and I kill and hurt people all the time!" Not even taking into account the apparent contradiction in his advice.


I hope HABIT is either killed/defeated for good, or even better - nicely retconned.

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 		I don't think Habit has the power to teleport people. I think it was firebrand. I still stand by my theory and obviously firebrand knew that Noah needed the info so teleported him there.

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SignerJ wrote:
OMGItsAPancake wrote:
Slenderman is a changing constant in each universe.

Not sure what exactly you mean by this, but I find it interesting. Is there any way that you could elaborate? (More so than you did in your post, since that confused me.)


Well, by that, I mean that:
1. Slenderman is a constant in all of these series as a main 'bad guy" (except for WF, who did an excellent job on making him only a side bad guy).
2. Slenderman may have a set character, but each series has its own spin on him that makes it their own Slendie, so to speak.
3. In some of these differences, it involves the general effects used to symbolize Slenderman presence. In each series, while all containing similar effect, they all differ slightly. TT likes to use broad, kind of flashy (in my opinion), while EMH is pretty good about keeping their's at tasteful and at just the right parts.
-That's what I consider an alternate perspective, because it plays more to the person viewing it (i.e. the main character). It's their personal experience with slenderman.

I don't know how much that helped, but feel free to ask more questions.


Oransel wrote:
Posted it on TT thread, but this one could be more appropriate.

I do not like the fact that HABIT at the moment is nothing more than a Villain Sue of the Slenderverse at the expense of Slender Man himself, which is a main sign of any Sue character. It's just bad writing.

HABIT is always many steps ahead of everyone, knows everything, he defeated (temporarily, but whatever) Slender Man himself, offed lot's of people on screen, controls the Rake (probably). As far as his powers go - it's a pure Villain Sue: he is unkillable, can transfer minds, teleport etc. - he can do much more than Slender Man.

Even worse, though - they try too hard to make him look all demonic and pure evil. Lot's of cliches including: "want to show someone's evil? Make him nazi collaborator", Joker mannerisms and baby-eating were used. If we are to assume that he is a legit character and not some form of meta-commentary, Slenderverse would always have a big trouble with writing out there.

As a watcher, I'd prefer guys to return back to Slenderseries.


I guess I'm not too bothered by it because I think that there's a reason he needs to be used. And Habit seems like the kind of person who is doing all those things on purpose, because it's funny. He strikes me as the kind of guy who doesnn't let anyone know who he is, and just fucks around with everyone.


Oransel wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
Ugh I had this whole response and deleted it by mistake. Here we go again.

A simple solution to the problem you speak of is if Slenderman kicks HABIT's ass in the future. One way or another, HABIT has to be defeated, since an evil entity with a personality is a lot harder to accept having no repercussions than Slenderman would be. But since HABIT would have stolen the spotlight from Slendy too much otherwise, Slenderman should at least have a turn in bringing HABIT down a peg. Otherwise, I do think you'd have a point, if EMH ended with HABIT able to defy Slendy with no comeback.

About him being able to do more than Slenderman, I disagree. We don't have any proof he can teleport, do we? Unless there was proof in the latest video, I don't know, I watch EMH for EMH not TT so I skipped a lot of it. Either way, Slenderman is nigh-unkillable, can teleport, control people (as mentioned in Very Happy) which would make him capable of a lot of the things HABIT is, cause slendersickness, kill and so on. All HABIT's got going for him is the bodysnatching (again though, Slendy can control people as well) and the fact he can make those bodies superhuman or (in Evan's case at least) even capable of regeneration. But a superhuman human body would still get messed up by somebody practically invincible like Slenderman, even if it regenerates. And honestly Slenderman's been shown to do so much already, I wouldn't be surprised if he can even harm HABIT's "spirit", not just his bodies.


I agree with you, HABIT should be defeated. As far as power level goes - it's not that important, really.

I was ok with HABIT being that mysterious demonic sadistic entity which battles Slenderman, but ever since he inhabited Evan (who obviously enjoys playing the character) it all went downhill. I have already explained my main complaint - he is badly written. Villain Sue tropes are all over the place. If he was a well made villain without horrible cliches as his defining traits, without being copycat of a Joker and without offensive connotation about him being responsible for most of the evil in the world, I'd be glad to see him fighting Slenderman.

It was not that important to me, since EMH was a very very slow series and relatively self-contained. But now with TT crossover and possible MLA and DH crossovers, this bad writing may spill on the other series. I kinda agree with that JustJim guy in TT thread:

JustJim wrote:
I watched the whole thing, and paid complete attention. The Habit just strikes me as crazy and chaotic for the sake of being crazy and chaotic, with a little bit of a Joker homage thrown in for good measure. The actual substance of what he was saying seemed a bit too much of a deus ex machina out of nowhere. "Hey Noah! I'm a crazy villain in this other series, but I've briefly summoned you into my nutty nonsensical world to directly tell you how to solve your problems! Remember, though, I'm tough and scary! I ate a baby and I kill and hurt people all the time!" Not even taking into account the apparent contradiction in his advice.


I hope HABIT is either killed/defeated for good, or even better - nicely retconned.


I personally think the problem stems from everyone (aside from MH, of course) in the Gold Tier (top 5) thinking that they have to do something all together because they are all up there. I get that they all live in the same area, which is pretty funny to me, but (at least to me) it feels like they are playing for views instead of the story now.

But at the same time, I believe that every series is constantly at a standstill, and this may be to save their stories. Sometimes other people have to help you progress the story when you are stuck. If that's the case, I won't lie and say that doesn't piss me off a little bit, but that's there mistake.

Also, with Habit having all these powers being in Evan, I swear I read or saw something saying that the reason because Habit was so powerful now, was because Evan is the perfect vessel.

All in all, I'm hoping that either the reason habit is helping is because Evan conscious is slowly seeping into his, or that Habit is doing this for his own terrible benefit later.

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 		The problem with Slenderman is that he doesn't make the best villian. He makes a good monster.... a figure to be frightened of, peeking at you from the shadows. However, faceless, expressionless and ... face it, characterless... he can't express his purpose very well.

That's why, in most series I've seen, they utilize secondary villians or proxies, so the main characters have someone to interact with on a much more personal level, and who, perhaps, can help explain Slenderman's motives.

MH has Hoody, Masky and Alex.
The Andersen Journals has the interchangeable victim/villian Patrick/Michael.
TT has the collective, and DH has the Order.

And EMH has Habit and the Rake. (and when Vinny went to Habit for info, explaining "you are the only one who talks" he was wrong... at least the Rake used to take to Alex quite a bit). Oh, I forgot...and the zombie-ish Slender proxies and camera creatures).

So if the focus is put back on Slenderman showing up, what can he do at this point? Unless he physically takes over Vin, I guess....

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 		Well, my boyfriend and I have been focusing on how to connect what's going on in the Everyman play that someone found in one of their boxes oh so long ago. We think it's important, but I feel like everyone just forgot about it.

And in Whispered Faith (which follows the Rake as it originally is), the Rake whispers to people. Even in the Fear Mythos, though everyone takes him for a mindless beast, the Rake is actually a terrifying genius.

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 		Since everyone is voicing their opinions on HABIT, I guess I'll throw in my 1.76 cents.

I really liked how HABIT was portrayed on Canyouseethewords and in the videos up to (and including) "A Summoning." To me, he seemed like something to really fear -- a very evil, malevolent being who enjoys inflicting pain on others, an ancient entity who could kill you quickly, but chooses not to. The monologue in "Very Happy" still sends shivers down my spine, and the conversation in "A Summoning" is completely brilliant.

However, as of late, I'm worried that they've been moving away from the HABIT that they originally portrayed to a new character. Instead of an evil entity that loves inflicting pain, the focus seems to be more on HABIT just being completely insane. In both of the latest videos, it feels like HABIT is completely different. It is hard for me to put into words, but...the scare factor just isn't there any more. To me, he doesn't really feel like HABIT.

I guess I can kind of see the "Joker-homage" that some posters are referring to, and I don't like it. It is a recent development, and I honestly hope it changes.

Again, I find it difficult to put into words at the moment. Maybe not entirely sane, but definitely not completely crazy.

OMGItsAPancake wrote:
But at the same time, I believe that every series is constantly at a standstill, and this may be to save their stories. Sometimes other people have to help you progress the story when you are stuck. If that's the case, I won't lie and say that doesn't piss me off a little bit, but that's there mistake.


I disagree here.
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TribeTwelve seems to always be at a standstill, but it is already completely planned out. Adam is just a bit slow.

From what I can tell, EMH was moving at a pretty good pace until they had technical difficulties. And now the TribeTwelve storyline is slowing them down (or so I hope).

MLAndersen0... Yeah, they're just slow. I agree with you that this crossover probably will save their story.

I can't say anything about DarkHarvest since I haven't watched it yet.


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 		So, I guess Habit just showed Noah (or technically, anyone watching) how he can use a knife with the double-eye symbol on it to sever a person from whomever has control of him?

So, technically, someone could stab Habit with the symbol-knife and sever him from Evan?

That is, if they were quick enough.

Maybe, this is what Habit actually wants, but he can't act directly on it... and had to put on a dog-and-pony show with Noah, pretending to help him, when actually he wants to be separate from Evan? Maybe he is, somehow, through Slenderman's doing, stuck inside him? We know that he is capable of possessing more than one person at a time, but we haven't seen him doing that lately...

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 		I don't think Habit wants to be severed. I think Evan wants to be.

Everyone's complaining about Habit's change of character but I think this is Evan trying to fight it. Because of this, half of the mind is controlled by Habit and half controlled by Evan. This is why the character is very inconsistent.

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