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[Oransel]

 In defense of MH

[NewInTown2]

So you make the same defenses that have been made in countless other threads, did this really warrant another thread?

People have the right to complain about things, there is nothing like a wrong complaint... If people feel that way than that feeling comes from somewhere, and these forums are an ideal place to vent these feelings. It's up to Troy and the rest of the crew to decide whether they think these complaints have any ground and if they decide to act upon them.

However if you feel like they have no right to complain than that's fine as well, but for the love of god just ignore it and go to the next post and use your time to discuss in-game matters. Don't waste it on trying to change some people's feelings about the show, because whatever you say will just go in one ear and out the other.

[paladin181]

You know there's a RAGE thread for this right at the top of the forum, right?

[pravado]

i didn't realize we can't criticize things we didn't pay for. thank the lord you told me before i got in trouble. i was unaware that paying for something actually validated an opinion, so thanks for letting me know before i made another unvalidated opinion

i also didn't realize that it's acceptable to have to waste time pandering to people who barely pay attention to a plot and miss obvious things. now that i think about it, you're absolutely right. we really needed that confirmation of tim being a patient in the hospital that has records of him. i have been waiting since entry 60.5 to hear that confirmation. and that whole 7 minute sequence where they followed hoody but he got away? didn't even see that coming, i was so shocked

you have shown me the light. this whole time i thought opinions couldn't possibly be fact, but you clearly stated they could be, so i was wrong in that too! i've learned so much

i feel like i'm watching marble hornets through a new set of eyes now. i can't thank you enough for changing my outlook with this wonderful topic

[Teedub]

Thanks for that novel of sarcasm, buddy.

[paladin181]

[Geneaux486]

Troy has stated on his blog that he's greatful for both positive and negative fan feedback. Criticism is one of the ways we improve. It's not a question of whether or not criticism should be made, it's whether or not the so-called negative aspects are actually relevant to the quality of each entry (which, in most cases, is subjective). I feel that the time gaps, for instance, are completely irrelevant. Others feel differently, and we've all got the same right to voice our opinions. If the negativity (or positivity) seems frustrating, just remember that it's only the opinion of another fan who's thoughts on the subject are no more or less inherently valid than your own. If everyone felt the same way about the series, this place would get boring.

[twistedpuppet]

For the sake of the story, we really did need the confirmation of Tim's past. In case you didn't notice, it was also foreshadowing something down the road. I'm not talking about the contents of the tape, but that may be part of later on.

Filler episodes do not move the plot forward. It stalls it. Entry #66 moved the plot forward. It wasn't by much, but it did move the plot forward. It also advanced the relationship between Tim and Jay. Tim is now willing to be completely honest with Jay about everything involving his past and that thing he as a child and on Jay's videos.

Here's what TV Tropes has to say on Filler Episodes.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Filler

[soulboogaloo]

I support this thread. I mean, people are starting to get a bit entitled here, remembering that these kids have lives outside of their MH universe is important.

"We have the right to complain and be disappointed!"

Yeah, and other people have a right to rebute.

And it is pure art, which is why I love it so much. The last episode was a bit of a let down from the tweetpocalypse's hype, these guys are doing more than me to create art for a wide fan-base on a regular basis.

Love to MH, love to film students.

[NewInTown2]

[Serum]

[Zarggg]

I was debating on merging this with the general season discussion thread, to be honest. However, I think this thread should really stand on its own, as Oransel makes some very good points states them clearly.

Don't take this as carte blanche to keep making random threads, though. I'm just saying this particular thread is a good one.

[Magyk]

I find the majority of MH fans that point out "flaws" with the series are coming at it from a constructive criticism point-of-view, rather than a ragey, ungrateful one. Maybe just me though.

[Little_Socrates]

Marble Hornets is a commercial entity. They sell DVDs and have ads before all of their entries. You might not see them due to adblock, but then you're effectively just stealing the episodes; it doesn't make the series less commercial.

Sorry, but the "it's free" argument doesn't hold up.

Beyond that, it's a kind of storytelling largely focused upon long-term devotion to a story. If we weren't invested, none of us would be watching. The primary mode of efficacy in MH (and all Slendervlogs) is long-term ingratiation and fear of entities that are always watching, supernatural or hooded. Our involvement in the story has been emphasized through the recent code-breaking ARG moment we had within the last month or so.

Basically, Marble Hornets is a series largely based upon consistent interaction with its characters and its narrative. It's not so much a statement of "this is why we come to Marble Hornets" so much as a "if these parts don't work right, it can become a bit intolerable." Especially considering the fact that only one Slender series seems to have ever actually "ended," and it ended by handing off to EMH and TribeTwelve, so I'm relatively anxious when series go dark (any DownMyCellarDoor fans?) or start attempting to make commitments and failing to keep them.

A statement that Tim and Jay are going to the woods tomorrow should not mean "we're hoping to go and shoot tomorrow, but we have no footage yet" when a month has passed between entries. It should mean "our most recent entry is done, and we're ready to show you guys. Get hyped!" This isn't a matter of me being "mad" at the MH team, but more a frustration as a fellow media creator because I hold proper communication with your fanbase to be essential, whether that base is the thousands of people MH goes out to each week or the twenty people who liked my podcast page on Facebook.

I'm not mad at MarbleHornets. At least, not yet. While I feel legitimately spurned by the wild potential and consistent disappointments of TribeTwelve, that's the closest I am to "upset" with a Slendervlog, or an ARG period. But it's disheartening when these kinds of things happen, especially when it felt like Team MH were so careful about this stuff the rest of the time I've been watching.

Honestly, if you don't have anything, be as quiet as Team EMH. They went from having an extremely uneventful mid-2012 to restoring my faith in them as my favorite series when they released The Property. I just don't want to be lied to, and while I know it's not a purposeful or malicious lie, I'd rather just be told the truth.

[pravado]