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How will it end?
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TheSupremeFace
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It's going to end with Jay turning into his Masky state. AKA Dr. Digsby

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TheJoker
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It will end with Jay successfully defeating TO, after which Alex and Masky tell him he has passed the "ultimate test" and may finally meet Hoody now. Jay is taken to Hoody, who is watching surveillance videos of Jay, and unmasks him, revealing...

... a chimpanzee. BUT this, too, is a mask, which Jay removes revealing...

... a cackling Troy Wagner. They then chase each other in circles for a few minutes before Jay, Masky and Alex make their epic escape from the Village. Jay returns home at last... or does he?

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Okay, if anyone gets what I've made an awful attempt to reference with this, I have a Stroopwafel waiting for you.


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gennerx
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I think entry 75 gives us a clue to the end.
It's clear now that Tim has a plan. Things aren't going according to plan but a plan exists which means he knows how to get rid of TO. The ending will either be the success or failure of that plan.

Here's how I see the story in a nutshell from start to finish.

First, TO isn't a tulpa. That is to say he exists wither people believe in him or not. If he was a tulpa the logical thing to do would be to get as many people believing in you as possible but he hasn't done that. In fact he seems to be doing everything possible to hide his existence. I believe that whenever TO came into contact with anyone it was his standard operating procedure to erase their memories of him to keep them unaware of his vague evil plot, that will never be explained but most likely somehow involved children.

So TO continued to business this way until he ran into some problems.
The first being the obvious fact that while memories could be wiped easily by him video footage was a bit harder to deal with.

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So when Alex accidentally filmed him he had a threat to deal with. TO eventually got to Alex and convinced him to burn the tapes and forget about him.

This of course didn't happen but it explains why Alex insisted that Jay never speak of it again. Once Jay became aware of TO he was in turn convinced to forget about the whole thing until Tim dragged him back into it.

Tim is the TO's other problem. His pills appear to make his mind resistant to TO. This is also what keeps Hoody and TTA immune.


Which brings us to the ending. Tim has a plan. He knows two important things.
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The drugs make him resistant if not immune
and TO won't bother you if you forget about him. To that end I believe Tim is trying to wipe out all memories of TO. This is why he's so fixed on Alex.

I believe Alex has some sort of resistance to the memory wipes and other TO effects. He's the only one who doesn't seem to feel pain around TO. If
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he's not secretly on the same drugs as Tim
my guess is he has some sort of natural immunity.

If Alex does have some kind of special immunity to the memory wipe the only way for TO to go away is to kill Alex. So Alex dies at some point.
Most likely Tim kills him
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while standing up to TO with his anti-TO drugs.



Jessica most likely dies as a direct result of Jays actions in entry 75.

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Everyone whose on anti-TO drugs stops taking them.


Mind wipes for everyone left.

They all think that everything was just part of a student film that got them a movie deal or Tim's plan will fail and they all die. One of the two.

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Why all the spoilers?
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gennerx
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Beidah wrote:
Why all the spoilers?


Can't be helped. Needed to prove my theory with info from previous videos.
I doubt it's actually spoiling anything for the people on this site but you never know. Someone may not have seen all the videos yet.

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This topic is about the end, we assume everyone is up to date.
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ToTheArcanine
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In other words, Oppy wants to get rid of anyone that knows about him and then continue whatever strange agenda he had pre-MH?

How do you explain the females then?

Amy and Jessica were both directly attacked by TO despite not having knowledge of him (that we know of) even though Jay and Alex should've been his top priority.
In Jessica's case, she was actively fleeing from Kralie and trying to get out of the whole mess. Wouldn't TO want Jess to run away? Why go after her, especially when he could've just gone after the dude doing the hotel documentary next-door? She'd be none the wiser had he left her be.

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ToTheArcanine wrote:
In other words, Oppy wants to get rid of anyone that knows about him and then continue whatever strange agenda he had pre-MH?

How do you explain the females then?

Amy and Jessica were both directly attacked by TO despite not having knowledge of him (that we know of) even though Jay and Alex should've been his top priority.
In Jessica's case, she was actively fleeing from Kralie and trying to get out of the whole mess. Wouldn't TO want Jess to run away? Why go after her, especially when he could've just gone after the dude doing the hotel documentary next-door? She'd be none the wiser had he left her be.


Amy was most likely taken hostage to keep Alex under TO control.
Jessica is more of a mystery. She's clearly there to get Jay to do something. It's not clear what.

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Janthran
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@Gennerx:
I like it, but it needs more time travel.

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Amy was most likely taken hostage to keep Alex under TO control.
Jessica is more of a mystery. She's clearly there to get Jay to do something. It's not clear what.[/quote]

This is one of the most plausible things I've read on this forum.

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TheJoker
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The discussion about the "most heartbreaking thing" going on in the Entry 75 thread got me thinking a little (and in the interest of not derailing that thread too much I am putting my thoughts here.)

Okay, I'm not sure about the most heartbreaking thing they could do, but I did start thinking of what the most depressing ending they could do would be. I've never assumed we're going to get a happy ending with unicorns and rainbows, but this is the first time I've tried to think of a true downer ending that isn't inconclusive or overly unsatisfactory.

So, basically, my idea is this: By the end, all the surviving characters (Jay, Tim, and Hoody, who is Brian) have been forced to do unpleasant things to stop TO and become very different people in the process. After defeating TO, none of them can ever really go back to living normally again, and their trust in one another has been completely shattered by this point because of the actions each of them had to commit to get here, so they can't even turn to each other for support anymore.

Alex becomes a more sympathetic, tragic figure by the end, but redemption is not an option and Jay is forced to kill him.

And so we have our surviving heroes all broken and alone. The final video of the series is a TTA upload entitled "Epilogue", in which a montage is shown of clips from the beginning of the summer of 2006, showing Jay, Tim, Alex, Brian, etc. all back when they were all friends and having a good time together. At the end, it cuts to Jay, sitting in his apartment, alone.

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And then the screen tears, of course...


So, yeah. The general idea is that, for the maximum heartbreaking-ness, you don't just have all the characters die meaninglessly or even heroically. Rather, you let them survive and win, but lose themselves and wreck their lives in the process.

Heartbreaking enough? Or is this one of those ideas I'm going to realize is dumb in a few hours time?

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TheJoker wrote:
The discussion about the "most heartbreaking thing" going on in the Entry 75 thread got me thinking a little (and in the interest of not derailing that thread too much I am putting my thoughts here.)

Okay, I'm not sure about the most heartbreaking thing they could do, but I did start thinking of what the most depressing ending they could do would be. I've never assumed we're going to get a happy ending with unicorns and rainbows, but this is the first time I've tried to think of a true downer ending that isn't inconclusive or overly unsatisfactory.

So, basically, my idea is this: By the end, all the surviving characters (Jay, Tim, and Hoody, who is Brian) have been forced to do unpleasant things to stop TO and become very different people in the process. After defeating TO, none of them can ever really go back to living normally again, and their trust in one another has been completely shattered by this point because of the actions each of them had to commit to get here, so they can't even turn to each other for support anymore.

Alex becomes a more sympathetic, tragic figure by the end, but redemption is not an option and Jay is forced to kill him.

And so we have our surviving heroes all broken and alone. The final video of the series is a TTA upload entitled "Epilogue", in which a montage is shown of clips from the beginning of the summer of 2006, showing Jay, Tim, Alex, Brian, etc. all back when they were all friends and having a good time together. At the end, it cuts to Jay, sitting in his apartment, alone.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
And then the screen tears, of course...


So, yeah. The general idea is that, for the maximum heartbreaking-ness, you don't just have all the characters die meaninglessly or even heroically. Rather, you let them survive and win, but lose themselves and wreck their lives in the process.

Heartbreaking enough? Or is this one of those ideas I'm going to realize is dumb in a few hours time?


Assuming someone lives through this with their memories in tact this is the only possible ending.

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abcetc wrote:
Amy was most likely taken hostage to keep Alex under TO control.
Jessica is more of a mystery. She's clearly there to get Jay to do something. It's not clear what.


I don't think Alex is under the Operator's control. If anything, it's the other way around, Alex encountered the Operator after being stalked by him, somehow captured it and is able to command it. Kind of like Bibidi and and Babidi in Dragon Ball Z commanded Majin Buu-- like, they could influence him, but eventually the Operator's going to do whatever it wants.

Alex is losing control of his little "pet"-- maybe that's why the one ToTheArk video said "control is being taken away from you." Or maybe Alex is just more resilient to slendersickness and is looking for a way of controlling the Operator. He's never shown signs of being a proxy the way Masky and Hoody have on certain occasions. That's just a theory I came up with right now.

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Serum wrote:
abcetc wrote:
Amy was most likely taken hostage to keep Alex under TO control.
Jessica is more of a mystery. She's clearly there to get Jay to do something. It's not clear what.


I don't think Alex is under the Operator's control. If anything, it's the other way around, Alex encountered the Operator after being stalked by him, somehow captured it and is able to command it. Kind of like Bibidi and and Babidi in Dragon Ball Z commanded Majin Buu-- like, they could influence him, but eventually the Operator's going to do whatever it wants.

Alex is losing control of his little "pet"-- maybe that's why the one ToTheArk video said "control is being taken away from you." Or maybe Alex is just more resilient to slendersickness and is looking for a way of controlling the Operator. He's never shown signs of being a proxy the way Masky and Hoody have on certain occasions. That's just a theory I came up with right now.


If that was true TO would have done at least some small thing to benefit Alex at some point besides simply keeping him alive. Also he doesn't have a letter tattooed to his forehead Very Happy . I believe the control being refereed to is Alex's self control or independence from TO. I do agree Alex is resistant if not immune to slender sickness but it's not clear why he is.

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I think that totheark=Hoody=Brian. I think Alex and Brian started being stalked by Slenderman due to Tim, but by accident. I think the same happened to Seth and Sarah but I think Alex killed them, before running away, to cut off any connections.

Anyway I think Jay is yet to be directly stalked by Slenderman. Notice there are little to no appearances of Jay with Slenderman where Tim, Hoody/totheark, or Alex aren't also there. The only exceptions are in Rosswood when Alex lured Jay there, and right after Alex tried to kill him and Jessica. I'm not saying Slendy is working for Alex, but I think they have a vague partnership, and that when Alex wanted Jay dead Slenderman went after him.

Recently Jay and Tim have been talking about what will happen if they beat Alex. Will Slenderman go away? I think he might. Tim was getting better, but now Hoody is following him and Alex is hunting them down. Heck the only time Slenderman appears when only Jay and Tim are around and no one else, is when they go to Alex's old house, and Alex definitely wants them dead then, so there could be various reasons for that besides Tim. Heck it's possible during MH's filming, Slenderman stopped following Tim directly, and moved onto the rest of them.

Anyways this is where my theory gets to the ending of MH. I think if Alex dies, Slenderman will stop attacking Jay and Tim, and they'll move on with their lives. But I think there's one person who will keep spreading Slenderman to people. Hoody. And I think he knows it. In "Decay" totheark mentions Jay will lead him to Alex. Then it switched to lead me to death; lead me to the ark. I think the ark is the ultimate goal, freedom from Slenderman. I think Hoody has come to realize he'll need to kill himself to get there (lead me to death) but Alex needs to die to. At the end, I believe Brian kills Alex, and then commits suicide.

Or alternatively, Brian explains this to Tim and Jay, Alex kills Brian, Tim or Jay kill Alex. Or Tim or Jay kills Alex, Brian kills himself. Or if Brian does kill himself, perhaps he offers himself up to Slenderman.

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