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That has nothing to do with this topic. This is about satisfying content, not about waits between entries.


I think that by reading various threads it would be very, very obvious what would satisfy people: More entries, more often. Not waiting up to two months for a new entry. There's nothing wrong with the content, just the time i takes to get it.


That can be chalked up to people being impaitent. That doesn't detract from the entries themselves. That just means people need to learn these things can take time, and not get so freaking fed up about it.

Quality or quantity, pick one. I choose the former over the latter. I don't want them pumping out sh*tty entries every week, I'd rather them take their time and produce quality. Otherwise this series is nothing but a giant ass waste of time, for both us and them. Quantity ain't satisfying.

Now, can we get back on topic? Again: About the content itself, not how long it takes to come out.

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I do not mind the path the story takes, or the time it takes to release entries.

I take offense to this act of them dangling a carrot in front of our faces, and then yanking it away and making us wait another week - sometimes only to have it happen again.

I wish they would be more conscious of the very real and understandable possibility for delay when they tell us, be it in or out of game, that an entry is approaching. It's not that hard to wait an extra three days before tweeting about an upcoming entry, and it doesn't detract from the story should a delay arise.


That has nothing to do with this topic. This is about satisfying content, not about waits between entries.


I don't agree with that, thats a reasonable complaint,. and mostly everybody agrees with this, now this can go on the Rage thred, He put it in a format to anwser your question.
But it would be very satisfying for more Entrys personally coughcoughcough

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I do not mind the path the story takes, or the time it takes to release entries.

I take offense to this act of them dangling a carrot in front of our faces, and then yanking it away and making us wait another week - sometimes only to have it happen again.

I wish they would be more conscious of the very real and understandable possibility for delay when they tell us, be it in or out of game, that an entry is approaching. It's not that hard to wait an extra three days before tweeting about an upcoming entry, and it doesn't detract from the story should a delay arise.


That has nothing to do with this topic. This is about satisfying content, not about waits between entries.


I don't agree with that, thats a reasonable complaint,. and mostly everybody agrees with this, now this can go on the Rage thred, He put it in a format to anwser your question.
But it would be very satisfying for more Entrys personally coughcoughcough


See my above comment.

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Serum wrote:
adaminator1 wrote:

That has nothing to do with this topic. This is about satisfying content, not about waits between entries.


I think that by reading various threads it would be very, very obvious what would satisfy people: More entries, more often. Not waiting up to two months for a new entry. There's nothing wrong with the content, just the time i takes to get it.


That can be chalked up to people being impaitent. That doesn't detract from the entries themselves. That just means people need to learn these things can take time, and not get so freaking fed up about it.

Quality or quantity, pick one. I choose the former over the latter. I don't want them pumping out sh*tty entries every week, I'd rather them take their time and produce quality. Otherwise this series is nothing but a giant ass waste of time, for both us and them. Quantity ain't satisfying.


Having massive unexplained gaps in time detracts from the realism of the show, which falls under the category of quality. Also, I think most people here *are* patient up to a point (hell, I could wait until February or later if we needed to). But let's be honest, if a TV series was released on MH schedule, no one would watch it. I think we understand that it takes time and effort to make entries, but I think Trosephim needs to work on how they plan out entries so that other things don't come up that could further delay them. Also on how they release tweets.
It's difficult to maintain realism, build up suspense, and just generally make sure the fans haven't forgotten what's happening when there are large gaps between entries. (Now of course this won't make a difference for people watching the DVD, but we're not them. We're the ones who keep up with the tweets and watch things unfold in real time.) I think we should be allowed to criticize that.
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saksxalmo wrote:
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Serum wrote:
adaminator1 wrote:

That has nothing to do with this topic. This is about satisfying content, not about waits between entries.


I think that by reading various threads it would be very, very obvious what would satisfy people: More entries, more often. Not waiting up to two months for a new entry. There's nothing wrong with the content, just the time i takes to get it.


That can be chalked up to people being impaitent. That doesn't detract from the entries themselves. That just means people need to learn these things can take time, and not get so freaking fed up about it.

Quality or quantity, pick one. I choose the former over the latter. I don't want them pumping out sh*tty entries every week, I'd rather them take their time and produce quality. Otherwise this series is nothing but a giant ass waste of time, for both us and them. Quantity ain't satisfying.


Having massive unexplained gaps in time detracts from the realism of the show, which falls under the category of quality. Also, I think most people here *are* patient up to a point (hell, I could wait until February or later if we needed to). But let's be honest, if a TV series was released on MH schedule, no one would watch it. I think we understand that it takes time and effort to make entries, but I think Trosephim needs to work on how they plan out entries so that other things don't come up that could further delay them. Also on how they release tweets.
It's difficult to maintain realism, build up suspense, and just generally make sure the fans haven't forgotten what's happening when there are large gaps between entries. I think we should be allowed to criticize that.


Marble Hornets isn't a TV series. It should not be compared or conflated with one. That's what's called a false equivalence. TV shows have budgets, they have schedules, they're made by huge crews, and it's usually those people's main jobs to get it done. Marble Hornets is made by just a few guys, who still have to worry about their college lives and stuff.

There's nothing they can DO about the wait for the series, so stop acting like they have the capacity to pull entries out faster. If they could, they would. They're going as fast as they can, sacrificing as little quality as possible.

Y'all need some perspective. And some damn patience. The gaps are actually explained too, so that isn't even a true complaint. You may not like the explanations, but they ARE there.

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adaminator1 wrote:
saksxalmo wrote:
adaminator1 wrote:
Serum wrote:
adaminator1 wrote:

That has nothing to do with this topic. This is about satisfying content, not about waits between entries.


I think that by reading various threads it would be very, very obvious what would satisfy people: More entries, more often. Not waiting up to two months for a new entry. There's nothing wrong with the content, just the time i takes to get it.


That can be chalked up to people being impaitent. That doesn't detract from the entries themselves. That just means people need to learn these things can take time, and not get so freaking fed up about it.

Quality or quantity, pick one. I choose the former over the latter. I don't want them pumping out sh*tty entries every week, I'd rather them take their time and produce quality. Otherwise this series is nothing but a giant ass waste of time, for both us and them. Quantity ain't satisfying.


Having massive unexplained gaps in time detracts from the realism of the show, which falls under the category of quality. Also, I think most people here *are* patient up to a point (hell, I could wait until February or later if we needed to). But let's be honest, if a TV series was released on MH schedule, no one would watch it. I think we understand that it takes time and effort to make entries, but I think Trosephim needs to work on how they plan out entries so that other things don't come up that could further delay them. Also on how they release tweets.
It's difficult to maintain realism, build up suspense, and just generally make sure the fans haven't forgotten what's happening when there are large gaps between entries. I think we should be allowed to criticize that.


Marble Hornets isn't a TV series. It should not be compared or conflated with one. That's what's called a false equivalence. TV shows have budgets, they have schedules, they're made by huge crews, and it's usually those people's main jobs to get it done. Marble Hornets is made by just a few guys, who still have to worry about their college lives and stuff.

There's nothing they can DO about the wait for the series, so stop acting like they have the capacity to pull entries out faster. If they could, they would. They're going as fast as they can, sacrificing as little quality as possible.

Y'all need some perspective.


I don't know if I'm just being a Winey Bitch, but If you ask for an opinion, get it, and it dosn't match your beliefs, so you have to shoot it down... saksxalmo had a very good point, but that attack... Seriously...

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So, I'm not allowed to debate with others about their opinions?

Yeah, no. Sorry, but that doesn't work. Especially since I was directly challenged.

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adaminator1 wrote:
saksxalmo wrote:
adaminator1 wrote:
Serum wrote:
adaminator1 wrote:

That has nothing to do with this topic. This is about satisfying content, not about waits between entries.


I think that by reading various threads it would be very, very obvious what would satisfy people: More entries, more often. Not waiting up to two months for a new entry. There's nothing wrong with the content, just the time i takes to get it.


That can be chalked up to people being impaitent. That doesn't detract from the entries themselves. That just means people need to learn these things can take time, and not get so freaking fed up about it.

Quality or quantity, pick one. I choose the former over the latter. I don't want them pumping out sh*tty entries every week, I'd rather them take their time and produce quality. Otherwise this series is nothing but a giant ass waste of time, for both us and them. Quantity ain't satisfying.


Having massive unexplained gaps in time detracts from the realism of the show, which falls under the category of quality. Also, I think most people here *are* patient up to a point (hell, I could wait until February or later if we needed to). But let's be honest, if a TV series was released on MH schedule, no one would watch it. I think we understand that it takes time and effort to make entries, but I think Trosephim needs to work on how they plan out entries so that other things don't come up that could further delay them. Also on how they release tweets.
It's difficult to maintain realism, build up suspense, and just generally make sure the fans haven't forgotten what's happening when there are large gaps between entries. I think we should be allowed to criticize that.


Marble Hornets isn't a TV series. It should not be compared or conflated with one. That's what's called a false equivalence. TV shows have budgets, they have schedules, they're made by huge crews, and it's usually those people's main jobs to get it done. Marble Hornets is made by just a few guys, who still have to worry about their college lives and stuff.

There's nothing they can DO about the wait for the series, so stop acting like they have the capacity to pull entries out faster. If they could, they would. They're going as fast as they can, sacrificing as little quality as possible.

Y'all need some perspective.


Damn, why do you guys get so defensive?

First, I was comparing it to TV because you were acting like everyone was being unreasonably impatient. There's your counterargument. The production and stuff doesn't come into it because it's a matter of how the audience reacts. Do you understand? I'm aware that they are different, but that wasn't the point. Straw man.

Actually, I've seen the Q&A panels that Trosephim has done, and while I realize that they have a lot of other things to do (now with Slender: The Arrival, especially), it honestly doesn't seem like they're trying to release things on schedule. Not that I'm complaining, because like I said, I can wait. I'm just responding to you, because you say they're putting things out as fast as possible, and based on their Q&A panels, they've basically said that's not the case. (They don't shoot entries in advance, for example. Think how much time they could save if they just shot entries that took place in the same location at the same time.)

I don't see why release dates is such a touchy subject on here... It's just as legitimate a complaint as anything else... If we weren't supposed to share our opinions, I don't see why threads like this would be created.
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So, I'm not allowed to debate with others about their opinions?

Yeah, no. Sorry, but that doesn't work. Especially since I was directly challenged.


"Challenged" (read: responded to... this isn't a fight, dude) because you called people impatient, which is a little unfair.
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So, I'm not allowed to debate with others about their opinions?

Yeah, no. Sorry, but that doesn't work. Especially since I was directly challenged.


You can debate, but telling me that I'm not patient and telling me where my perspective needs to be is not a Debate, thats a Dictatorship...

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 		My mistake, OP. I thought this was what we would like to see improved/find satisfactory with any aspect of the series. Didn't mean to briefly derail your thread.

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saksxalmo wrote:
adaminator1 wrote:
saksxalmo wrote:
adaminator1 wrote:
Serum wrote:
adaminator1 wrote:

That has nothing to do with this topic. This is about satisfying content, not about waits between entries.


I think that by reading various threads it would be very, very obvious what would satisfy people: More entries, more often. Not waiting up to two months for a new entry. There's nothing wrong with the content, just the time i takes to get it.


That can be chalked up to people being impaitent. That doesn't detract from the entries themselves. That just means people need to learn these things can take time, and not get so freaking fed up about it.

Quality or quantity, pick one. I choose the former over the latter. I don't want them pumping out sh*tty entries every week, I'd rather them take their time and produce quality. Otherwise this series is nothing but a giant ass waste of time, for both us and them. Quantity ain't satisfying.


Having massive unexplained gaps in time detracts from the realism of the show, which falls under the category of quality. Also, I think most people here *are* patient up to a point (hell, I could wait until February or later if we needed to). But let's be honest, if a TV series was released on MH schedule, no one would watch it. I think we understand that it takes time and effort to make entries, but I think Trosephim needs to work on how they plan out entries so that other things don't come up that could further delay them. Also on how they release tweets.
It's difficult to maintain realism, build up suspense, and just generally make sure the fans haven't forgotten what's happening when there are large gaps between entries. I think we should be allowed to criticize that.


Marble Hornets isn't a TV series. It should not be compared or conflated with one. That's what's called a false equivalence. TV shows have budgets, they have schedules, they're made by huge crews, and it's usually those people's main jobs to get it done. Marble Hornets is made by just a few guys, who still have to worry about their college lives and stuff.

There's nothing they can DO about the wait for the series, so stop acting like they have the capacity to pull entries out faster. If they could, they would. They're going as fast as they can, sacrificing as little quality as possible.

Y'all need some perspective.


Damn, why do you guys get so defensive?

First, I was comparing it to TV because you were acting like everyone was being unreasonably impatient. There's your counterargument. The production and stuff doesn't come into it because it's a matter of how the audience reacts. Do you understand? I'm aware that they are different, but that wasn't the point. Straw man.

Actually, I've seen the Q&A panels that Trosephim has done, and while I realize that they have a lot of other things to do (now with Slender: The Arrival, especially), it honestly doesn't seem like they're trying to release things on schedule. Not that I'm complaining, because like I said, I can wait. I'm just responding to you, because you say they're putting things out as fast as possible, and based on their Q&A panels, they've basically said that's not the case. (They don't shoot entries in advance, for example. Think how much time they could save if they just shot entries that took place in the same location at the same time.)

I don't see why release dates is such a touchy subject on here... It's just as legitimate a complaint as anything else... If we weren't supposed to share our opinions, I don't see why threads like this would be created.


There's nothing, repeat; nothing they can do to put entries out faster (I mean, what, do you expect them to be able to control the weather?). Just because to you it seems like they're not even trying, doesn't mean that's true.

Release dates are such a touchy subject here because people ALWAYS complain about the wait between entries. It's vocal, and people get irritated by people constantly bringing it up when they're trying to talk about other *things*.


The production stuff matters because this isn't a TV show. This can't keep up episodes at the rate a TV show can, so audiences *should not expect it to*. if they do, they are just setting themselves up for disappointment. That's not Trosephim's fault. That's my point.

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adaminator1 wrote:
Me168 wrote:
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So, I'm not allowed to debate with others about their opinions?

Yeah, no. Sorry, but that doesn't work. Especially since I was directly challenged.


"Challenged" (read: responded to... this isn't a fight, dude) because you called people impatient, which is a little unfair.


I was challenged though. I was challenged about whether or not it was completely off topic to talk about. Which, seeing as I was the one who started the topic...

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My mistake, OP. I thought this was what we would like to see improved/find satisfactory with any aspect of the series. Didn't mean to briefly derail your thread.


This was started with the intention of discussing actual content and not to have people complain about the wait between it (Which, honestly, irritates me a little.). 's okay, I can see how you'd miss that. No hard feelings.

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There's nothing, repeat; nothing they can do to put entries out faster (I mean, what, do you expect them to be able to control the weather?). Just because to you it seems like they're not even trying, doesn't mean that's true.


I never said anything about weather. Derp. This is one of many times that they have built up suspense and then made the next entry less satisfying because of the delay. This is not the first time.
Also, the weather thing could have been avoided if they had filmed the entry earlier/in advance. They also could have released the tweets more tactfully instead of getting our hopes up before they were ready to release an entry.

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Release dates are such a touchy subject here because people ALWAYS complain about the wait between entries.

It is one of many things that is always talked about, what's your point?
Also, this is what tends to happen when problems are not fully addressed.

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The production stuff matters because this isn't a TV show. This can't keep up episodes at the rate a TV show can, so audiences *should not expect it to*. That's my point.


My point is that you can't really call us "impatient" when we've already demonstrated far more patience than the average person. Also, as a series, the creators should be prepared to release, I don't know, a *series* of episodes. And like I pointed out, they could keep up if they planned the releases/tweets a little more thoroughly (like filming entries ahead of time.)

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I was challenged though. I was challenged about whether or not it was completely off topic to talk about. Which, seeing as I was the one who started the topic...


What...? When did I...? I don't even know what you're trying to say. I think there's been a misunderstanding.

Anyway, if you want to know what would satisfy people, that would be it. You've kind of already said that yourself.

I think Trosephim wants to make its fans happy. More regular releases would improve the pacing, realism, suspense, and ability of the audience to follow the story. If Trosephim comes out and says that they don't want the fans' input, then maybe you can tell people to stop complaining. Until then...
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There's nothing, repeat; nothing they can do to put entries out faster (I mean, what, do you expect them to be able to control the weather?). Just because to you it seems like they're not even trying, doesn't mean that's true.


I never said anything about weather. Derp. This is one of many times that they have built up suspense and then made the next entry less satisfying because of the delay. This is not the first time.
Also, the weather thing could have been avoided if they had filmed the entry earlier/in advance. They also could have released the tweets more tactfully instead of getting our hopes up before they were ready to release an entry.


No, but this entry *was* delayed by weather, and that's one of the reasons why they couldn't put it out on time. The tweet thing was a goof, but talking about it is beating a dead freaking horse at this point given how much people have complained about it already. I want to talk about the actual content of the show. What we see on screen.

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The production stuff matters because this isn't a TV show. This can't keep up episodes at the rate a TV show can, so audiences *should not expect it to*. That's my point.


My point is that you can't really call us "impatient" when we've already demonstrated far more patience than the average person. Also, as a series, the creators should be prepared to release, I don't know, a *series* of episodes. And like I pointed out, they could keep up if they planned the releases/tweets a little more thoroughly (like filming entries ahead of time.)


I can call people impaitent because they complain all the time. It's not *paitent* to complain about having to wait literally every time for the entry to come out.

And how do you know that they could plan it out? Do you know their life schedule, or are you just making assumptions?

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I was challenged though. I was challenged about whether or not it was completely off topic to talk about. Which, seeing as I was the one who started the topic...


What...? When did I...? I don't even know what you're trying to say. I think there's been a misunderstanding.


I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about the quotebomb that you responded to.

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Anyway, if you want to know what would satisfy people, that would be it. You've kind of already said that yourself.


No.

I want to talk about what would satisfy people onscreen. I don't want to hear people complain about OOG production delays. I consider that irrelevant to this thread.

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I think Trosephim wants to make its fans happy. More regular releases would improve the pacing, realism, suspense, and ability of the audience to follow the story. If Trosephim comes out and says that they don't want the fans' input, then maybe you can tell people to stop complaining. Until then...


Dude, do you seriously not think they're trying their freaking hardest to get entries out and balance their real lives? They have fans. Of freaking COURSE they're trying their hardest. And your last sentence doesn't even make sense.

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So, I'm not allowed to debate with others about their opinions?

Yeah, no. Sorry, but that doesn't work. Especially since I was directly challenged.


"Challenged" (read: responded to... this isn't a fight, dude) because you called people impatient, which is a little unfair.


I was challenged though. I was challenged about whether or not it was completely off topic to talk about. Which, seeing as I was the one who started the topic...[/quote]

You didn't state what the true topic was then... you exact quote for the topic was

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That sounds Like we can only talk about the show itsself, especially the Whole word...

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