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Kraehtot
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[SPEC ] About the hospital Some theories about the hospital First of all, I don't know if there's already a place to discuse about that, but I've been looking for it and I am not able to find it.
Then, I want to apologize if I write grammar or expression errors because English is not my home languaje.
Ok, I have been reading a lot of theories, but I still have not read anything related to the hospital linked to Tim's childhood.
I explain it: Some people is just saying that Tim's bad feelings about the hospital is related only to the fact that Alex attacked him in there, but I think there is something more. I'm sure that a lot of people has thought it but I wanted to write it down in order to know other people's thoughts.
I've got the feeling that the hospital is the place where it all started for our beloved characters. We all know that Tim was sick since he was a child and also we know that in one of the papers there was a request for a surgery or "operation" (and this is what an Operator does, right?).
I also think that I remember about Jessica telling something about dreaming as she as a child being operated (thing that she doesn't remember to happen).
I also want to highlight the fact of the fire in the hospital. Something tells to me that that was the hospital were Tim was operated and that the room where the fire started was, in fact, his room.
It reminds me also when Jay's flat was buned too.
All of that make me think about the significance of the fire in Marble Hornets:
1. Burnt hospital.
2. Burnt flat.
3. The picture of a wood on fire at Entry #20
4. The story that Alex tells to Jay in Rosswood Park about those criminals being tied to trees , with their limbs being lengthened as a torture, and then burnt whith the tree where he was tied.
Edit: I suppose it has no sense [While thotheark is constantly showing us water, wich is the opposite element to fire.]
P.S: I know it is so messy, but is difficult to express these complex ideas in a "foreingn languaje" for me.
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:21 am
Last edited by Kraehtot on Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:44 am; edited 1 time in total
evanx275h
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Joined: 22 Jan 2012 Posts: 292 Location: Brooklyn, NY
I can't disagree, I actually think the story started in the hospital, too.
I want to think that the time between Entries #55 and #56 was a long gap. And between those entries were all of the first few tapes, where Alex slowly gets more paranoid as the Operator follows him. The reason that I believe Entry #55 is one of the first is because, in that entry, Tim is the one to bring up the hospital. Which would mean that, before the events of Entry #51 , Tim already knew about the hospital.
I think that, chronologically, Tim and Alex were both marked by the Operator when they were young (based on Tim's medical records and enttry #37 ), but Tim moreso than Alex. Tim was likely a mental patient at the hospital after the symptoms shown in the medical records worsened, and he likely burned it down to escape the Operator, who probably followed him throughout his life to the hospital.
The constant stalking of the Operator might have caused Tim's mental deterioration, and development of his Masky persona. After the hospital incident, Tim was likely attempting to get better, and to forget about what happened previously in his life. The medicine he took probably helped him for a while, and he may have even seen less of the Operator now that his memory of it started to dissipate. Especially after all that time.
Then... in comes Marble Hornets, Alex's student film. Being exposed to all of these outdoor areas, as well as Alex himself, who (according loosely to enttry #37 ) has experience with the Operator, brought up old memories, bringing back his paranoia and sickness (as Tim described in Entry #55 ), and made him remember the hospital, a place that he only saw as a good place to shoot for the movie. As the condition worsened, Masky was likely "re-awakened" in Tim, specifically after Jay's interview with Tim in Entry #15 .
As of right now, Jay might be doing exactly what Alex did; Tim even said that Jay was responsible for bringing up old memories in Entry #59 , so perhaps the cycle that began in Season 1 started over in Season 3.
Point being, the hospital seemed to be Tim's origin grounds, where all of the problems started for him. His horrified reactions in Entry #65 make me think that he's tied to the place, and his suggestion of the place to Alex in #55 makes me think that he's the reason for many of the events that transpired; He may have been the start of all these problems, and ToTheArk might know it, hence the whole "HE IS A LIAR" etch in the wall.
There's some holes in this theory, but it's among my favorites, being that Tim is the most interesting character to me.
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:25 am
TheOperator
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Joined: 20 Nov 2012 Posts: 711 Location: You don't wanna know
I take totheark's use of water imagery as references to how the Operator drowns his victims. We didn't see anything related to fire while the Operator was torturing Tim in Entry #65. I get the feeling it was Masked Tim who started the fire in the abandoned hospital, as well as the flat as a warning against Jay trying to quit.
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:30 am
Kraehtot
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TheOperator wrote:
I take totheark's use of water imagery as references to how the Operator drowns his victims. We didn't see anything related to fire while the Operator was torturing Tim in Entry #65. I get the feeling it was Masked Tim who started the fire in the abandoned hospital, as well as the flat as a warning against Jay trying to quit.
I gess you're right
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:40 am
Omberto
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Joined: 21 Nov 2012 Posts: 75
You know, I just had a weird thought...
Tim has an obvious connection to the hospital from his childhood, and we all know TO can wipe memories... is it possible other people involved in this and simply don't remember the hospital?
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:20 pm
Kraehtot
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Omberto wrote:
You know, I just had a weird thought...
Tim has an obvious connection to the hospital from his childhood, and we all know TO can wipe memories... is it possible other people involved in this and simply don't remember the hospital?
I think so
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:35 pm
LBfly
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Joined: 17 Nov 2012 Posts: 216
If Tim burned the hospital down and didnt like the place because of the Operator, why would he suggest shooting there?
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:57 pm
Oscar Langley
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Maybe he didn't know exactly what happened at the time? Like he knew something happened there, but no specifics due to memory wiping. And it'd been so long that he'd chalked it up to trivial childhood fears. I guess.
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:12 pm
TheOperator
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LBfly wrote:
If Tim burned the hospital down and didnt like the place because of the Operator, why would he suggest shooting there?
Tim suggested shooting at the larger hospital across from it. He tries to avoid the smaller one where his medical records were found.
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:53 am
Kraehtot
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LBfly wrote:
If Tim burned the hospital down and didnt like the place because of the Operator, why would he suggest shooting there?
My theory about that is that he didn't exactly remember what happened in there. He just felt bad about that place. If you pay attention, he always refused to go there, always saying that the large building was best, and always he went there "forced" by the insistence of the others and he only wanted to give a quick look and then leave.
Now that he has he's memory back, and he knows what's going on he has proposed jay to go back because now he thinks that might be something in there that will help them.
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:44 am
toclafane212
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I think that there is something behind the wall that says he is a liar, becuase tim keeps hitting it and then tells jay that he found something there!
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:14 am
BranRainey
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Joined: 25 Feb 2010 Posts: 371
Not really a theory but OOG:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Are we still assuming that the hospital is supposed to be the same building from #22 and #23? Since they're not allowed to film there again? I remember that being a popular idea at the time #51 came out and it still seems most likely to me considering #22 is kind of similar to #51 and #56 (in the sense that they're all about Alex probably leading a cast/crew member to the Operator).
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:10 pm
Kraehtot
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BranRainey wrote:
Not really a theory but OOG:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Are we still assuming that the hospital is supposed to be the same building from #22 and #23? Since they're not allowed to film there again? I remember that being a popular idea at the time #51 came out and it still seems most likely to me considering #22 is kind of similar to #51 and #56 (in the sense that they're all about Alex probably leading a cast/crew member to the Operator).
It could be, but I am not sure. I mean, I have no evidence about that, so I don't know, but it is reasonable.
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:28 pm
missingnocchi
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Joined: 21 Nov 2012 Posts: 60
BranRainey wrote:
Not really a theory but OOG:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Are we still assuming that the hospital is supposed to be the same building from #22 and #23? Since they're not allowed to film there again? I remember that being a popular idea at the time #51 came out and it still seems most likely to me considering #22 is kind of similar to #51 and #56 (in the sense that they're all about Alex probably leading a cast/crew member to the Operator).
I had heard that someone went exploring on the set and confirmed that the two buildings are the same. They posted the pics on tumblr or something.
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:44 pm
Zarggg
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Joined: 23 Dec 2010 Posts: 1660
BranRainey wrote:
Not really a theory but OOG:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Are we still assuming that the hospital is supposed to be the same building from #22 and #23? Since they're not allowed to film there again? I remember that being a popular idea at the time #51 came out and it still seems most likely to me considering #22 is kind of similar to #51 and #56 (in the sense that they're all about Alex probably leading a cast/crew member to the Operator).
No, they are two separate buildings in the story.
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:07 pm
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