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OhWhatProvidence
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Of course this would the the video right after I get discharged from Green Oaks...

Having a bit of fun poking holes in Tim's story, compared to how a real psych hospital works...

Also OOG!Tim is a great actor.
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Tim was yelling like crazy in the first minutes, Hoody most probably could have heard him when he still was around the hospital, before they got to notice him.

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RevDickJenkins wrote:
This speculation's gonna come eventually, so let's jump start it.

Obviously Hoody left the tape there for someone/something/some reason, but who/what/why?

I agree with you. Now we know that Hoody is usually super-aware of both Jay and Tim and always either knows where they are, or is following/filming them. It's very strange to think that he wasn't aware that they were both at the hospital at that moment.
However, it did appear that he didn't know they were there. Someone suggested he was in a fugue state, and certainly (though stealth is somehow really something that Jay at least is preternaturally good at because people fail to notice him following noisily in the open) Tim and Jay were moving around over paint chips and such like a convention of insect tapdancers, and Hoody seems not to have heard (except for the fact that he seemingly vanished right after, which could be evidence that he fled, or that he can vanish).
It seems likely that Hoody was the one who put the tape in the red fireman's tower (unless I'm brain farting on this one), and that he was planting this one, most likely expecting to later notify or tease Jay and ask him to go back to the SCARY HOSPITAL once again. Which suggests that there may still be more that there's more that Hoody wants him to find.
Possibly, Hoody's motivation about "he lies" and all was to prevent Jay from wanting to partner with Tim, but that failed if so. Or possibly the motive was to give Jay enough of a clue to force the issue and demand that Tim reveal the truth, which has happened, though it was so much an anti-revelation that anticlimax loses flavour when we apply the term to that.
I figure it is important to get a clearer idea of what Hoody really wants...for Tim and Jay to cooperate, or to NOT cooperate? We just don't know.

What's on the tape? LIkelihoods:
- More evidence of how Tim / Jay have been followed
- Something to insist that Tim is still lying
- ???
- PROFIT

I never get a real feeling that Hoody is desperately scared or seeking protection or such. He certainly seems to be aware of TO but I don't get a feeling that he's trying to destroy it, or to escape from it.

Was it Hoody who filmed Jay's coughing attack, Filmed Tim putting on his mask, filmed TO going to the hallway panel?

I wish I knew!!
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rumjack wrote:
hi. just made an account to point out that hoody was clearly meant to be aware of jay and tim's presence seeing as jay published his plan to be at the hospital on that day on twitter several days in advance. and also in terms of plot why would hoody be burying a tape there (as opposed to any other place featured in the story) at the exact same time and day that jay and tim were there too?

which makes you wonder what hoody had up his sleeve in case tim had actually tried to brain him with a decades-old spanner...


If Hoody did in fact go out there because J announced that he was going that day, that means he probably spent the entire previous weekend sitting in that burned out hospital while rain poured down on him through the cracks in the roof thinking "God damn it Jay, you flake, you said you'd be here".
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mokie wrote:
Jingleman wrote:
- How many doors in to the Hoody/tape room? It looked to me like they could have bottled him up, but they went across the hall instead.
[...]
- Why did Tim feel the need to drag Jay out there to show him that room? There wasn't anything in there in particular that he pointed out. I know that Tim wanted to look around afterward, but that's not the reason he gave for going to the hospital in the first place. It seemed a little contrived.


First bit: it seemed clear to me they wanted to follow Hoody to see where he went, not jump him and demand answers. Last time they followed him, he led them to the maintenance tunnel and Tim's medical records--which is what they were looking for when they spotted him this time.

Second bit: there was nothing about the room that jumped out, but from Tim perspective, it seemed a bigger deal than to us. Or maybe he hoped there'd be something in the room.

Tim seemed to feel it was imperative that they both go to the hospital and that room to tell the truth about his having lived as a patient there. It might be a psychological need of his, but with all the danger and stuff, it seems he could have made an exception if that were the case. It may be that Tim wanted to do something more and was steeling himself for it, but then had a bit if "I can't go on just now" and then got distracted by Hoody.
I don't know, I just feel like I wanted to say SOMETHING about this, I don't like it to be undermotivated.
Oh by the way, the only way that Tim got Jay to agree to go to the hospital before (when they met "downtown" with all the trucks) was by promising that they would try to find Jessica. However, they sort of forgot about it, it seems--both of them. They haven't mentioned her for a while.
I do feel glad that there's some degree of trust and healing between Tim and Jay.
HOody, now...what DOES he want???
Is he unable to just give straightforward messages? He has a computer, if he wants to simply message Jay he could do that easily, without the "tip" about Brian's house (AND BY THE WAY WHOOOOO GAVE HIM THAT TIP:???) or such. He puts effort into these TTA videos. Why?? Is it just that he has time and a creative soul and likes to be mystical and obscoure?? Who is like that? Especially as we're dealing with life and death things.

Is it TO who controlled Jay's travel through the Magic Doors of his apartment before?
Did Tim ever do anything that is magical or "impossible" for regular humans to do? Does Hoody seem to be simply an inscrutable human, or does he ever do things that are supernatural?

I guess I wonder overall if TO is the only supernatural factor in the story, or not. Does he give others powers sometimes, or do magical things to characters sometimes, or is there some other explanation?

I'm very interested in this 'nightmare' tweet and what it may mean.

Also, I personally opine that it is NEVER acceptable or "OK" for someone to ask anybody to "die please." Unless they're playing some board game and need to roll the single die. So that was a bit disturbing of an UnForum person to have said. Just saying. Rude.
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CraicIsMighty wrote:
I know they went to look for more files but it seems like Tim didn't think of that until later.

Right, I know they were looking for the files but yes, that was I think nothing more than a MacGuffin in this case, to position them so they'd see Hoody.

CraicIsMighty wrote:
When Tim was sitting on the floor crying I kind of thought Jay was going to reach out and touch his shoulder or give him a sideways hug or something. I'm kind of disappointed he didn't, it would have been a good opportunity to build up their "friendship".


Yes. THIS. I was totally expecting it...I mean, in the situation, Timbo really needed a hug. Too bad Jay was being all snotty to him. I thought maybe they were doing that to make the hug moment more touching...but then it failed to happen.

CraicIsMighty wrote:
And anyway if it IS Brian I will be pretty disappointed. He's the most obvious person they could go with. And that would make him a pretty horrible friend, especially since he knows that he was Tim's only real friend.

... In entry 65 Tim made it sound like there was something SUPER important he needed Jay to see but all he did was confirm something we all already suspected.

Yes, Tim didn't show Jay anything except to let him know which room was Tim's.

Now I think that Hoody/TTA used to work with Tim or Tim As Hoody because of that one with the closeup of Tim's eyes and Tim donning the mask, but now clearly they have fallen out. I thought for a moment just now, what if TTA and Tim teamed up now to get Jay out there to witness Tim chasing Hoody? But then...I don't know, it seems sort of pathetic.

Anyway, I think the way this all began, how it happened that someone first met or summoned TO, that will be important to understand. If Tim was the first to see TTA (I don't think that it's necessarily true that TO was at Alex's birthday party, though TTA did get a hold of that tape somehow, which as they were friends doesn't seem impossible), what was the circumstance? Clearly it was before they took him to the hospital, I think, as the hallucinations of TO were WHY they took him there, or so I think they're implying. Or maybe TO was a habitue of the hospital and Tim really did have hallucinations and when he saw TO there it seemed like more of them....
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As a part time Puppet Master, I started getting a feeling recently about Jay's tweets. He seemed to be trying hard to steer us in the right direction about the code, which is I think a first. I think he knows where he's going, of course he does, and wants to make sure that we don't miss important things so that the ending will have the proper impact. And that we don't get too sidetracked.
I don't know if this is so, but his participation in the solving of the code (With Tim's help in game) seems to mean something and it feels to me like an OOG motivation...or else Jay as a character just is trying hard to understand better.
Now I don't know that the code's solutions are real helpful or significant or how this will help us appreciate the end, but maybe this code is one that he plans to use again, as supported by the followup code that was tweeted...they want to see if we can continue to interpret such things in a timely fashion. Perhaps ...
Perhaps another real-time adventure is coming wherein we have to go with Jay as he follows up a new lead, with TTA posting coded tweets to egg them on and it's all LIVE blogging. GOSH THAT"D BE NEATO

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Perhaps the climax needs special sorts of weather conditions for whatever story or atmospheric reasons...so they're taking their time getting to the story's climax so when it hits, the weather is right??
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I'm really not in on the whole, Jay is in TTA and is intentionally misleading us. I mean i can see how it would make sense from an in game standpoint but OOG, there are so many other theatrical devices to do the same thing. I just don't see anyone putting themselves through that much shit just to troll an audience. Cause in essence, from Jay's standpoint, that's all he's really doing. What does he get out of putting himself through hell and subjecting himself to TO, Masky, and Hoody, and all the stress he's gone through, just to fuck with a group of people on the internet? And OOG it's a pretty crappy storytelling strategy, and way too convoluted to really make sense. He already has to deal with so many layers of unreliable narration and unchronological information, in addition to memory loss and multiple viewpoints. There is absolutely no reason to also suspect Jay is also the biggest dickwad of a troll on the internet. That would be like the last entry saying: "and it was all a dream."
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GnomonRose wrote:
Oh by the way, the only way that Tim got Jay to agree to go to the hospital before (when they met "downtown" with all the trucks) was by promising that they would try to find Jessica. However, they sort of forgot about it, it seems--both of them. They haven't mentioned her for a while. 


They haven't forgotten Jessica at all. >_> She's been mentioned repeatedly this season. She's mentioned in this entry, even. Be disappointed that there's been no progress towards "saving" her if you want, but she's nowhere near forgotten.

GnomonRose wrote:
Tim seemed to feel it was imperative that they both go to the hospital and that room to tell the truth about his having lived as a patient there. It might be a psychological need of his, but with all the danger and stuff, it seems he could have made an exception if that were the case. It may be that Tim wanted to do something more and was steeling himself for it, but then had a bit if "I can't go on just now" and then got distracted by Hoody. 
I don't know, I just feel like I wanted to say SOMETHING about this, I don't like it to be undermotivated.

I don't think there is a real reason for Tim to have brought Jay to the hospital. It's just movie logic; characters going somewhere dramatic instead of sensible. There could be a better reason, but I doubt it. Marble Hornets hasn't bothered much with trying to seem plausibly realistic since season 1 ended.

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maddielyne wrote:
In the video, Tim mentions that Brian was "the first real friend I remember having" after mentioning, in regards to his delusions, that "maybe I just didn't want them to [go away] at the time". Perhaps the relationship between Tim and whatever plagued him in his youth, assumedly TO, is more complex than merely antagonizer and victim. It could be that TO came to Tim at a vulnerable time in his life, formed some strange relationship, and then it got too intense for Tim and he wanted out and began trying to run and hide. ...

Just thinking and this probably won't go far but still, maybe Brian was his first friend in college and eventually Brian started to be manipulative and mean to him, trying to control him or use him somehow and Tim finally couldn't stand it, it made his halluciations worse and he couldn't control himself any more. . .so when they tried to make Marble Hornets, it put the two of them together again sometimes (do they have scenes together??) and it threatened to start again and just things fell apart...
JUst a thought
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BranRainey wrote:
They haven't forgotten Jessica at all. >_> She's been mentioned repeatedly this season. She's mentioned in this entry, even. Be disappointed that there's been no progress towards "saving" her if you want, but she's nowhere near forgotten.


You're right, I should have checked better and spoken more clearly. Well clearly it would be bizarre if Jay and Tim had literally forgotten Jessica--or it would have had SlendyInfluence. Yes, I did mean that they had sort of changed motivations, Jay doesn't need to be tempted by the chance of finding Jessica again to be lured or taken back to the Scary Hospital.
Thank you for that.
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GnomonRose wrote:

Yes. THIS. I was totally expecting it...I mean, in the situation, Timbo really needed a hug. Too bad Jay was being all snotty to him. I thought maybe they were doing that to make the hug moment more touching...but then it failed to happen.



I've noticed that Jay has been acting pretty bitter towards Tim ever since Entry 59. For example:

In entry 60.5:

Jay: I DIDN'T NOTICE ANYONE THERE BUT I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE DAZED AFTER THAT DICKHOLE PUNCHED ME IN THE FACE.

In entry 63:

Jay: WE COULDN'T HAVE MET DURING THE DAY TIME!? LIEK OMG WE GOTTA BE ALL SOAP OPERA UP IN HERE AND MEET UNDER A STREET LIGHT!?

In entry 64:

Tim: What's on the other side of this tunnel?
Jay: I DON'T KNOW I'VE ONLY BEEN OVER THERE ONCE GAWD. OH BTW I WAS CHASING YOU AT THE TIME ASSHOLE.

This is kind of a big problem. I mean, I can understand Jay's indignation: the guy who stalked him for months and spirited him away from his room while he was sleeping actually had the nerve to call HIM a psychopath, and punched him in the face to boot. And after Jay risked his life to save Tim in entry 62, Tim was basically just like "kthnx, fuck off" in entry 63. So I can understand why Jay wouldn't have the friendliest feelings towards Tim right now. But, whether they like it or not, he and Tim are in this together and they really need to stop bickering and sniping at each other. If they can't be friends, they should at least try to work together and be polite. If they keep arguing with each other they're not going to accomplish anything.

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
I've noticed that Jay has been acting pretty bitter towards Tim ever since Entry 59. For example:

In entry 60.5:

Jay: I DIDN'T NOTICE ANYONE THERE BUT I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE DAZED AFTER THAT DICKHOLE PUNCHED ME IN THE FACE.

In entry 63:

Jay: WE COULDN'T HAVE MET DURING THE DAY TIME!? LIEK OMG WE GOTTA BE ALL SOAP OPERA UP IN HERE AND MEET UNDER A STREET LIGHT!?

In entry 64:

Tim: What's on the other side of this tunnel?
Jay: I DON'T KNOW I'VE ONLY BEEN OVER THERE ONCE GAWD. OH BTW I WAS CHASING YOU AT THE TIME ASSHOLE.

This is kind of a big problem. I mean, I can understand Jay's indignation: the guy who stalked him for months and spirited him away from his room while he was sleeping actually had the nerve to call HIM a psychopath, and punched him in the face to boot. And after Jay risked his life to save Tim in entry 62, Tim was basically just like "kthnx, fuck off" in entry 63. So I can understand why Jay wouldn't have the friendliest feelings towards Tim right now. But, whether they like it or not, he and Tim are in this together and they really need to stop bickering and sniping at each other. If they can't be friends, they should at least try to work together and be polite. If they keep arguing with each other they're not going to accomplish anything.


I think they settled that in this entry. Tim starts self-loathing and Jay tells him he's not like Alex. It would be kind of abruptly touchy-feely if he went and hugged Tim. They're starting to become real allies, it's just gradual and subtle. Also your quotes gave me a good laugh, thanks. Razz

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Aeliott wrote:
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This is probably *nothing* but I like to over-analyze details anyway.

In 11:55-11:57 there is this gray figure in the woods that I can't quite make out. Could it be Hoody in camo? Probably not...but I thought it was worth a shot.

Edit: Sorry for the shitty quality! I'm super bad at image editing. :/


I looked at all the frames carefully, they're just a darker shade of leaves.


Nifty shades of gray...

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soulboogaloo wrote:
Aeliott wrote:
soulboogaloo wrote:
ALSO:

This is probably *nothing* but I like to over-analyze details anyway.

In 11:55-11:57 there is this gray figure in the woods that I can't quite make out. Could it be Hoody in camo? Probably not...but I thought it was worth a shot.

Edit: Sorry for the shitty quality! I'm super bad at image editing. :/


I looked at all the frames carefully, they're just a darker shade of leaves.


Nifty shades of gray...

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