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In defense of MH
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ledzepfilm
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Pravado brings a good point here.

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Little_Socrates wrote:
I just don't want to be lied to, and while I know it's not a purposeful or malicious lie, I'd rather just be told the truth.


You were not lied to. If you read Troy's blog, or follow Tim, Troy, or Joseph on twitter/facebook/tumblr/wherever, you would know the reasons for the delays.

The @marblehornets twitter account is meant for in universe commentary from the narrator. It's not even important to the series. It's a supplement for hardcore fans. The main series is designed to be completely accessible to people who do not follow the twitter account or the TTA account. If the @marblehornets twitter account is causing you that much frustration, don't follow it. You can still enjoy the series without it.

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ledzepfilm
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The twitter account is also a good resource to see what paranoia Jay's been through.

I don't think TTA is only for hardcore fans. It's a pretty major part of the series.

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twistedpuppet
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ledzepfilm wrote:
The twitter account is also a good resource to see what paranoia Jay's been through.

I don't think TTA is only for hardcore fans. It's a pretty major part of the series.


The only time TTA is relevant to the series is when it's specifically mentioned in the main narrative. It is, for all intents and purposes, for the hardcore fans. It should make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside that Troy and company think so highly of us as to offer TTA and the @marblehornets twitter account. Smile

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Geneaux486
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pravado wrote:
Generally the people who criticize MH (from what I've seen, myself included) get so passionate about the series that we hold it to a much higher standard than most.


This is a misconception I've been seeing a bit lately, the idea that those of us who find fewer issues with the series simply have lower standards. In most cases, the standards aren't higher or lower, they're just different. As with any form of entertainment, what does and doesn't make for a good entry is subjective and will vary from person to person.

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ledzepfilm
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At times yes, (ex. Deluge or Memories), but these have some significant revelations/contributions:

Exit shows that TTA has been watching since the filming of MH.

Addition shows that TTA was there during Entry #16.

Return confirmed the events of the missing three hours from Entry #19.

Version persuades Jay to go back to the red tower.

Forecast shows that it was TTA in Entry #39.

Intermission shows that TTA was there during the events of Entry #41.

Reminder shows that TTA was there for the events of Entry #53.

observation shows that TTA has been filming and stalking Tim since around the events of Entry #60.5.

Display shows that TTA was there for the events of Entry #63. (The alleyway that is present in the entry is in the video, and I think the person walking is Tim)

Additionally, Entry #60.5 shows that TTA was there for the events of Entry #59.

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twistedpuppet
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@ledzepfilm

We have talked about this multiple times. Troy has said in an interview or in one of the Q&A's he's done that the series is designed so that you can watch the main youtube channel and NOTHING else and still get the story. That is why all the shit that is said over twitter or that Jay acknowledges about TTA is reiterated in the videos on the main channel. This is why it was important for Tim to confirm his past on camera in the main channel.

You think that all those TTA videos further the story, even though it doesn't, because you are one of the hardcore fans.

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ledzepfilm
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I didn't necessarly say that it furthers the story, it just builds up the story. It gives us some additional information. I just think that the TTA videos are good part of the story. I'm not saying that we can predict the future exactly from his/her/their videos, but TTA videos are pretty important in their own ways.

I understand that some don't watch the TTA videos and I have noticed that Troy doesn't mention the channel when he makes Jay's monologues, but it IS still part of the story. The twitter account just adds to the realistic vibe.

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What people fail to understand is that criticism is a GOOD thing for ANYTHING. It doesn't matter whether or not it's "free," people have a right to criticize, and it helps the creators improve their work. The fact that people flame others for constructively criticizing the series is just ridiculous to me, especially since Troy has said himself that he's grateful for all positive AND negative feedback.

I criticized the Tribe Twelve/Dark Harvest crossover as CONSTRUCTIVELY as I could some time ago, and a bunch of rabid Tribe Twelve fanboys jumped at my throat saying my standards were "impossibly high" and that I had "douchebag expectations for free entertainment." It was then that I realized how immature a lot of people on this site are (mostly those who frequent the Tribe Twelve thread). It annoys me. JUST LET US CRITICIZE, FFS. CRITICISM IS A GOOD thing. It DOESN'T mean we hate the series; we just want to see the series improve, and we have no quarrel with you. We respect your opinions, even if we don't agree with them. Why can't people understand that?

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saksxalmo
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NewInTown2 wrote:

People have the right to complain about things, there is nothing like a wrong complaint... If people feel that way than that feeling comes from somewhere, and these forums are an ideal place to vent these feelings. It's up to Troy and the rest of the crew to decide whether they think these complaints have any ground and if they decide to act upon them.


^This.^

Also, I agree with a lot of what pravado said, though maybe not in those words.
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saksxalmo
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Geneaux486 wrote:
pravado wrote:
Generally the people who criticize MH (from what I've seen, myself included) get so passionate about the series that we hold it to a much higher standard than most.


This is a misconception I've been seeing a bit lately, the idea that those of us who find fewer issues with the series simply have lower standards. In most cases, the standards aren't higher or lower, they're just different. As with any form of entertainment, what does and doesn't make for a good entry is subjective and will vary from person to person.


I think he meant that we hold it to a higher standard than most series, not than most people. Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if I'm right, I a agree with him. I thought TribeTwelve was boring and bad quality, so I stopped watching. I still watch EMH, but it doesn't interest me as much as MH, so I don't criticize it. I only criticize MH because I hold the show to a higher standard and I think Trosephim can use our criticism to make entries in the future even better.
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I've never been truly disappointed in this series (or any of the other slendervlogs I like, really) and I'm not quick to criticize things I already have high standards for unless something really bothers me, but if people have criticism to give, I'll let them give it without getting defensive. I find that the criticism that people give on here is usually valid, even if I don't agree with it, and they say these things because they want it to improve.

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Remember, constructive criticism can indeed be a good thing, but only if you take into account the constraints the creators work under. Sure, it's OK to criticize the product... go right ahead.

But I would like to note the creators are VERY WELL AWARE that no-one likes long wait times and that it breaks the rhythm of the story; that they do keep up roughly updated OOG as to when expect each episode and, if they are late, WHY they are late. If they were able to keep it to a more regular schedule, I am sure they would. To keep going on and on about long wait times and call that "criticism" and claim it's helpful... I don't see it.

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Little_Socrates wrote:
Marble Hornets is a commercial entity. They sell DVDs and have ads before all of their entries. You might not see them due to adblock, but then you're effectively just stealing the episodes; it doesn't make the series less commercial.


No. No, it's not. Have you EVER paid to watch the new entries? No. You haven't. You might have paid to watch them on your DVD player/whatever you use, but they provide these things to us FOR FREE without any subscription fee or anything.

The argument that they have ads doesn't hold up either. As a YouTube partner myself, I can back up this argument by saying that video monetization doesn't bring in NEARLY as much as you might be thinking. You only get money if someone SITS THROUGH or CLICKS the ads before your video. Even if you hit viral status/develop a fan-base, you still aren't making much because more than half of the people install ad-blocker, thus eliminating any chance of the creator making any money.

So the only way Marble Hornets would be a commercial entity would be if they took down the channel and forced everyone to buy the DVDs in order to see the newer ones. Which they won't do because they love their fans, apparently. >.>

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SaigoSentinel wrote:
Little_Socrates wrote:
Marble Hornets is a commercial entity. They sell DVDs and have ads before all of their entries. You might not see them due to adblock, but then you're effectively just stealing the episodes; it doesn't make the series less commercial.


No. No, it's not. Have you EVER paid to watch the new entries? No. You haven't. You might have paid to watch them on your DVD player/whatever you use, but they provide these things to us FOR FREE without any subscription fee or anything.

The argument that they have ads doesn't hold up either. As a YouTube partner myself, I can back up this argument by saying that video monetization doesn't bring in NEARLY as much as you might be thinking. You only get money if someone SITS THROUGH or CLICKS the ads before your video. Even if you hit viral status/develop a fan-base, you still aren't making much because more than half of the people install ad-blocker, thus eliminating any chance of the creator making any money.

So the only way Marble Hornets would be a commercial entity would be if they took down the channel and forced everyone to buy the DVDs in order to see the newer ones. Which they won't do because they love their fans, apparently. >.>


This is what's so great about YouTube. It is free entertainment for us, and yet it provides greater feedback for the crew of the series. It's a mutual advantage. Good for us since we enjoy it, and good for them because they know what to add in their stories and whether to continue producing (while YouTube pays them off).

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