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Peppercorn
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Also, just because something is free doesn't mean people are ungrateful for criticizing it. As someone pointed out, this accusation is common in the Tribe Twelve thread for some reason. As a fan, I don't mind criticism of Tribe Twelve, either, because people simply have different opinions.

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Geneaux486
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saksxalmo wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
pravado wrote:
Generally the people who criticize MH (from what I've seen, myself included) get so passionate about the series that we hold it to a much higher standard than most.


This is a misconception I've been seeing a bit lately, the idea that those of us who find fewer issues with the series simply have lower standards. In most cases, the standards aren't higher or lower, they're just different. As with any form of entertainment, what does and doesn't make for a good entry is subjective and will vary from person to person.


I think he meant that we hold it to a higher standard than most series, not than most people.


Shocked Whoops! It is a misconception I've been seeing around here, but I may have been hasty in saying Pravado brought it up then.

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Also, just because something is free doesn't mean people are ungrateful for criticizing it. As someone pointed out, this accusation is common in the Tribe Twelve thread for some reason. As a fan, I don't mind criticism of Tribe Twelve, either, because people simply have different opinions.


Also true, the fact that the show is available to us for free isn't a reason not to criticize it, simply a valid reason not to fault the creators for it not being their top priority.

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TL;DR

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I don't think the content of the entry (or lack thereof) can be defended. This was a mediocre entry for one clocking at 10+ minutes. I miss the 1-3 minute entries which contained about as much (if not more) information or at the bare minimum entertainment. They really don't need to film themselves running through the woods for 4 minutes when they could just titlescreen "We pursued for four minutes before he lost us"

As for the wait in time, as a college student I feel it should be said that they probably have jobs outside of school, and the time that the last entry came out was about before finals usually starts. Finals + Christmas Break + "Slender: The Arrival" + School Restarting is really a handful, before you factor in a part-to-full-time job. I can't be mad at them for taking as long as they have; if I was in their shoes I doubt I'd have the time to dedicate a weekend to a video shoot, which probably takes a whole day at minimum and a few days at maximum.

EDIT: While speculation, considering this came out within the timeframe that universities are either about to start or have just started, I can imagine that this entry was rushed before they knew they'd be swamped again.

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There's a certain level of criticism and rage that becomes obnoxious instead of constructive (Sometimes, personality and the way it's stated do matter.). And there's only so many times you can beat a horse till it dies. You *can* be too passionate about something.

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adaminator1 wrote:
There's a certain level of criticism and rage that becomes obnoxious instead of constructive (Sometimes, personality and the way it's stated do matter.). And there's only so many times you can beat a horse till it dies. You *can* be too passionate about something.


I present you with this hat, my good sir...



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Wubblz wrote:
I don't think the content of the entry (or lack thereof) can be defended. This was a mediocre entry for one clocking at 10+ minutes. I miss the 1-3 minute entries which contained about as much (if not more) information or at the bare minimum entertainment. They really don't need to film themselves running through the woods for 4 minutes when they could just titlescreen "We pursued for four minutes before he lost us"

If they go back to this, then what's the point of having a video series in the first place? It might as well be a blog.

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mh20xx wrote:
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Little_Socrates wrote:
Marble Hornets is a commercial entity. They sell DVDs and have ads before all of their entries. You might not see them due to adblock, but then you're effectively just stealing the episodes; it doesn't make the series less commercial.


No. No, it's not. Have you EVER paid to watch the new entries? No. You haven't. You might have paid to watch them on your DVD player/whatever you use, but they provide these things to us FOR FREE without any subscription fee or anything.

The argument that they have ads doesn't hold up either. As a YouTube partner myself, I can back up this argument by saying that video monetization doesn't bring in NEARLY as much as you might be thinking. You only get money if someone SITS THROUGH or CLICKS the ads before your video. Even if you hit viral status/develop a fan-base, you still aren't making much because more than half of the people install ad-blocker, thus eliminating any chance of the creator making any money.

So the only way Marble Hornets would be a commercial entity would be if they took down the channel and forced everyone to buy the DVDs in order to see the newer ones. Which they won't do because they love their fans, apparently. >.>


This is what's so great about YouTube. It is free entertainment for us, and yet it provides greater feedback for the crew of the series. It's a mutual advantage. Good for us since we enjoy it, and good for them because they know what to add in their stories and whether to continue producing (while YouTube pays them off).


I agree with everything except for that last line. YouTube doesn't pay anyone. Even the most popular people on there. Because it's Google, and they aren't interested in paying anyone, even if they generate traffic for their site. For each Ad click, the producer gets anywhere from 1 to 10 cents. Now factor in how many people use ad-block and never SEE the ads TO click on. It's a hard life, but that's why jobs exist, you know? Very Happy

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Lithp
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I love it when people don't even read their links:

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In most cases, the defining aspect of filler is the total lack of series momentum. Filler can be safely ignored without any loss of important information. However, there is also a style of filler called the "single upgrade filler". Basically, it uses a filler episode to introduce a new power, machine, costume, minor character, etc. without having to work it into the greater narrative. In these cases, the episode can be ignored outside of "something got an upgrade".


So are you guys finally going to stop using the "It's not filler because SOMETHING happened" card? No? Oh well, I was hopeful for a minute.

Anyway, if you ask me, threads like these are kind of an overreaction. The complaints about Marble Hornets are pretty tame. Try watching something where large groups of disgruntled fans can be found arguing that it's Ruined Forever basically every episode. Hell, it doesn't even get trolled with people who don't watch it complaining about how much it sucks.

As far as "demanding attitudes" go, I think nothing beats the notion that we should like everything. No matter what the reasoning, that is just not a realistic expectation.

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Lithp wrote:
I love it when people don't even read their links:

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In most cases, the defining aspect of filler is the total lack of series momentum. Filler can be safely ignored without any loss of important information. However, there is also a style of filler called the "single upgrade filler". Basically, it uses a filler episode to introduce a new power, machine, costume, minor character, etc. without having to work it into the greater narrative. In these cases, the episode can be ignored outside of "something got an upgrade".


So are you guys finally going to stop using the "It's not filler because SOMETHING happened" card? No? Oh well, I was hopeful for a minute.

Anyway, if you ask me, threads like these are kind of an overreaction. The complaints about Marble Hornets are pretty tame. Try watching something where large groups of disgruntled fans can be found arguing that it's Ruined Forever basically every episode. Hell, it doesn't even get trolled with people who don't watch it complaining about how much it sucks.

As far as "demanding attitudes" go, I think nothing beats the notion that we should like everything. No matter what the reasoning, that is just not a realistic expectation.



I did read the link and I still felt that IT DOES NOT COUNT AS FILLER BECAUSE IT ADVANCES THE PLOT. That is something filler does not do. Filler stalls the plot.

Btw, fixed the bold parts for you since you're the one who didn't bother to read the link. And just in case you still don't get what I'm saying, PLOT IMPORTANT INFORMATION WAS INTRODUCED IN THIS ENTRY AND SO WAS THE NEXT PLOT HOOK. Filler doesn't do that. Trust me. I've watched DBZ and Frickin Naruto(several hundred episodes worth), I've seen filler.

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paladin181
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Oh Christ, the FILLER argument again.

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#66 is about 13:30 of filler, and 10 seconds of the plot being advanced when the new tape was found. 90% of what Tim said at the opening of the entry we knew, so he was just reiterating information we had already pieced together. AKA: Filler.

I didn't think it was a bad entry, myself. But it was rather fillery.

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twistedpuppet
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We only speculated on what Tim's past was. Most of what was seen in the medical records was redacted. We knew of one incident where he ran away. We had partial information, at best. The other plot hook is the other medical files that Tim was searching for before they were interrupted by Hoody.

Interesting how quickly you forget that in your rush to call the entry nothing but filler. You should strive to be more observant.

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Also, if I may step in to provide my own reaction to Entry 66, I never got the impression that Tim was confirming he was a patient at the hospital. I mean yes he did do that as well, but that seemed a really minor focus to me, so people's complaints about that confuse me. It seems more to me like he was revealing that his room was the same room where the fire started, the same room where he was found in Entry 51. Which made me freak out with excitement.

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DJay32 wrote:
Also, if I may step in to provide my own reaction to Entry 66, I never got the impression that Tim was confirming he was a patient at the hospital. I mean yes he did do that as well, but that seemed a really minor focus to me, so people's complaints about that confuse me. It seems more to me like he was revealing that his room was the same room where the fire started, the same room where he was found in Entry 51. Which made me freak out with excitement.


Oh shit, I didn't even realize that. Very Happy I'm guessing his issues were re-triggered by getting beat down by Alex.

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