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[SPEC] "How much do you know about this area?"
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[SPEC] "How much do you know about this area?"
Alex's "spooky ghost story" from Entry #38 and how it ties in...

In Entry 38, Alex and Jay are walking through the woods. Alex asks Jay "How much do you know about this area?" And continues to tell him a seemingly tall-tale about how back in the 1800s, the people thought the place was blessed, but for some reason they brought their worst criminals out there and put them on trial 'before God.' The bodies of the criminals were strung up on trees, and stretched out over time-- like a rack. They never cut the bodies down. But they'd burn them.

Then, sometime later (although it is never specified exactly when), a kid went missing in the area and later turned up, strung up on a tree, dismembered and strung up on a tree... They stopped doing the trials after this.

If there is any truth to Alex's story, what does it mean? Who was the boy? More importantly, who was the perpetrator? Why did the locals use such a bizarre method of execution that violated civil rights that had well been established by the 1800s? For how many years did they perform these trials? When did the kid go missing? Was it in recent times (by recent, I mean 1950s-1970s to ten years ago?) or longer back? Are Alex and Jay walking through Rosswood Park, here? If so, we know that Rosswood Park is near the burned out asylum Tim stayed in, and he often ran away to Rosswood Park, which leads me to believe that there is something "special" about that place.

If the story Alex told is untrue, why would he make up such a strange and disturbing tale that seems to represent a figure in his life-- a figure very close to him? Is he covering something up for the Operator? Is he working with the Operator? Perhaps he's a high-functioning Proxy, saying whatever the Operator wants him to say, making people hear whatever the Tall Man wants them to hear. But, if it is Rosswood Park they're walking through, then the area still has some significance, even if the story is untrue, because of Tim's childhood obsession with the place, not to mention the tunnel being located there-- on the other side lays something that we have not yet seen, and only Jay and Tim have, but they allegedly cannot remember.

What does it all mean? I think after what we've been revealed to in Entry 66, Tim's story, that this entry will finally have a place and start to make a little more sense. But, what do you think?

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I think that story was just Alex trying to freak Jay out.

They said in the commentary they were NEVER going to do an origins story about the Operator because they knew it wouldn't live up to wouldn't live up to what the fans wanted, and they knew they wouldn't be able to come up with anything good themselves.

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If it's untrue, I'm kind of on the boat that it was to freak Jay out. When Jay leaves Alex pauses, and says to bring Jessica next time, which is when he pulled a gun on them. My speculation was before considering killing Jessica as well, Alex was leading Jay into the woods to kill him. The story could have been something like the tone Alex was trying to set before killing Jay out there in the woods.

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Hmm, those are interesting questions. I've been wondering about that too.
My thought is that the story had, at least, a bit of truth and it also was intentional to freak Jay out and make him run away, you know, describing those who were executed with a resemblance with the Operator. Maybe, he was walking through the park thinking if he should kill Jay or not, and thenk he thought about Jessica too, so he told the story to frighten Jay and make him leave, so they could return with Jessica too and kill two birds with one stone.

I can be wrong, but I think Alex fights with himself because, on one hand he feels he has to murder Jay (and Jessica), but on the other hand he doesn't want to do that.
When he went to the tunnel, he was saying something like "I told you not to follow me", and then, Bruce appeared and was killed while Alex was repeating that sentence. So, I believe he was thinking about Jay at that moment.
And when Tim and Jay go back to the tunnel, he phoned Jay to say him to leave, because he knew something bad was happening to him if he stayed.

Well, I think I've strayed the main question, but yes, for me Roswood Park is definitely a really special place.
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To answer one question, #38 is definitely in Rosswood Park. Jay runs to the tunnel in #50 after leaving Alex at the end of #38, and we know the tunnel is in Rosswood from #48 and #64.

I have nothing substantial to add to this thread otherwise, sorry. Razz

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I agree with Krahtot the yes, Rosswood is VERY special, with the tunnel, and TO frequenting the park.

However as I said before, his story was most likely just filler or in-game scaring of Jay

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That entry has always been interesting to me. What if the story was Alex's attempts to scare Jay away? If Alex is being controlled somewhat by TO, maybe it was a way to throw up a warning flag without alerting TO and save Jay (whether the story was true or not) by getting him scared enough to leave Rosswood. Maybe when the Operator realizes this he makes Alex tell Jay to bring Jessica back as well... just spit balling here could be nothing important either

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While for the most part I agree that Alex was using the story as part of a lure to get Jay and Jessica to... something, the fact that he described much of the Operator's properties (stretched out, fire) and the kid and the fact that it was in Rosswood Park leaves me to believe that even if the story isn't true, there may be a kernel of truth to it, as there is with many horror stories based on 'true' events. Take the book The Amityville Horror by Jay Anson, for instance, we all know it was a hoax perpetrated by a Vietnam War veteran capitalizing off of a murder that had taken place in the house a year earlier, but the murder itself had very strange things going on for it, if you've read the reports. As William Burroughs might say, "anyone's story is somewhat autobiographical."

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I think the story can be linked to the Operator without necessarily being an origin story. I always got that the impression that the punishment was meant as more of an homage or tribute to the Operator rather than an incidental creation. Maybe he's been known about for a while?

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Wubblz wrote:
I think the story can be linked to the Operator without necessarily being an origin story. I always got that the impression that the punishment was meant as more of an homage or tribute to the Operator rather than an incidental creation. Maybe he's been known about for a while?


I see what you're saying-- the locals of the town of Undisclosed-- wherever Rosswood Park is, may have been familiar with the Operator and based their execution techniques on his appearance and properties... (tall, thin, stretched out like a rack and the use of fire)

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Yeah, also the trees. Don't forget the link between TO and the trees and that the criminals were tied to trees...
Maybe they were doing exactly the same Alex is doing now: killing people in Roswood Park to satisfy the Operator?

We just know for true that there's one dead person in the series (Bruce), and we had just speculated about the rest of the crew. If, and I'm saying if, the others that were attacked by Alex at the hospital are also DEAD, he coud have used (<- Is this construction well?LOL no idea if I'm writing worst English ever) the hospital because it is near Rostwood -that's what Tim said in Entry #66- and Roswood is the 'sacrifice area' or something like that.
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As previously mentioned in numerous threads, and this thread as well, it was not an operator origin story. We debated this ages ago, and the argument was put to rest when oog:
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Trosephim verified that it wasn't an operator origin story, it was Alex telling spooky stories to mess with Jay.
Maybe Alex was trying to buy time for some reason, just trying to get his confidence up enough to shoot Jay, or just trying to freak out Jay enough so he would spill info on Jessica.

Also, copy paste of other common theories put to rest ages ago, for some newer unfictioners.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Alex's middle name does not involve an R, verified OOG
BONES was drawn on the wall by their heating company, nothing to do with in game, the one above the hospital was a hilarious coincidence as shown by the photos taken in the "marble hornets locations" thread.
"the basement" is in the basement of "the hospital" whether it is in game or not is unknown. Also seen in the "marble hornets locations thread"
Alex is not hoody or masky, entry 45 guys
Skully is 99% agreed upon to be unimportant, though admittedly this is not confirmed in any way.
The guy murdered in the tunnel's unofficial fan name is Bruce


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A "spooky story" can be true without being an origin story. I have both series on DVD and have heard the commentary; Just because it's not an origin story does not mean it does not have some relation to Opps, even if ultimately irrelevant.

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Wubblz wrote:
A "spooky story" can be true without being an origin story. I have both series on DVD and have heard the commentary; Just because it's not an origin story does not mean it does not have some relation to Opps, even if ultimately irrelevant.


That's what I'm saying, and clearly Steve up there doesn't want to have anything to do with "filler." But filler can be good, without it, the should would probably be empty.

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I always viewed the spooky story as Alex's way of freaking Jay out so much that Jay would be too afraid to leave Alex and would just keep on following Alex into the... storage shed of murderous bullet holes (if so, it obviously backfired). Then again, after re-watching it a while back, I felt just the opposite- that maybe it was "good Alex" peeping through and saying "aren't you scared, Derpface? Run while you still can!" At this point, I feel that the story was a red herring for theories about the origins of the Operator as well as just a plain ol' creepy story... and who doesn't love a story in a story? Oh no, we're headed back to the whole inception thing, but that's not really where I want to go with this.

Anyway, I think this is an example of what made me like Marble Hornets so much- there's so much to think about and so much room for imagination within a cohesive framework. I don't know about everyone else, but I've always liked art that leaves room for personal interpretation. It's intriguing, especially when you have the chance to view other's interpretations.

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