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[VIDEO] Entry 67
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Oxide
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 		Re: Jay's fault
michaelO2000 wrote:
I know that a lot of people are going to disagree with me one this, but what if Jay is "the liar" Maybe Jay did something and that is why TTA is sending him all of these messages so that he will feel guilty. Maybe Jay killed Jessica and just forgot it, but has recently started to remember what happened. In Entry #19 Jay confesses that he has been recording himself just like Alex did, so if he was keeping secrets then, he could also be keeping secrets now.

I don't know if we have any good clues right now that say Jay is lying about anything. It seems to fit Tim better; but if it were talking about someone else I guess that would be surprising (to an extent). Jay does cut stuff out of videos though, and who knows what he's cutting out.

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Xman
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ReynardtaFox wrote:
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3- OOG- I think it's hilarious that they used such a huge pipe this time around for the head bashing. They clearly didn't want everyone thinking it was a stick like back in entry 56.

It always pissed me off how people thought it was a stick that Alex used. LIKE YEAH GUYS. HE BEAT HIM UP WITH A STICK. GOOD WORK DETECTIVE DUMBASS.

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Animal
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 		The whole theme of this season is the heavy emphasis on Tim being a liar.

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ak1287
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Xman wrote:
ReynardtaFox wrote:
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3- OOG- I think it's hilarious that they used such a huge pipe this time around for the head bashing. They clearly didn't want everyone thinking it was a stick like back in entry 56.

It always pissed me off how people thought it was a stick that Alex used. LIKE YEAH GUYS. HE BEAT HIM UP WITH A STICK. GOOD WORK DETECTIVE DUMBASS.

Theories like that are exactly why we need people like pravado Smile.

Also; if that was a gun Tim was holding, then he somehow became a giant for about 10 minutes. Also, he's an idiot for stroking/tapping the barrel of the gun.

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ZargggModerator
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 		I'm going to say this again. Keep in mind that I am speaking as moderator here.

The purpose of this forum being here is to discuss and theorize what is going on in this series.

unFiction is primarily a website dedicated to Alternate Reality Games and solving them. We're fortunate that the admins have allowed the general Slender Man mythos a place here at all, since many of the series are straight narrative, rather than ARGs.

This is not intended to be a place to discuss production value or bitch about how much you don't like each episode. Do that somewhere else. If you absolutely must do it in this community, do it somewhere that does not detract from those of us who actually wish to discuss theories.

As of this post, I'm asking you to stop all discussion on that issue and stop your arguments with pravado. I've had to do this before and I don't want to keep doing this every time there's an entry.

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anothergreg
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 		Re: Jay's fault
Oxide wrote:
michaelO2000 wrote:
I know that a lot of people are going to disagree with me one this, but what if Jay is "the liar" Maybe Jay did something and that is why TTA is sending him all of these messages so that he will feel guilty. Maybe Jay killed Jessica and just forgot it, but has recently started to remember what happened. In Entry #19 Jay confesses that he has been recording himself just like Alex did, so if he was keeping secrets then, he could also be keeping secrets now.

I don't know if we have any good clues right now that say Jay is lying about anything. It seems to fit Tim better; but if it were talking about someone else I guess that would be surprising (to an extent). Jay does cut stuff out of videos though, and who knows what he's cutting out.


Could be viable. We are at Jay's mercy with what we know since he can cut anything he wants out of the tapes, and the only way to get to the truth is through TTA. Through the way he edits he could be lying to all of us (via YouTube). Perhaps the "He is a LIAR" meant Jay. Even though Jay ended up in that room first, Tim did get there and see the message. "WATCHING" could be a warning, to the effect of "I can see what you're doing (with your editing). Just know that."

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KTsteve
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 		Re: Jay's fault
anothergreg wrote:
Oxide wrote:
michaelO2000 wrote:
I know that a lot of people are going to disagree with me one this, but what if Jay is "the liar" Maybe Jay did something and that is why TTA is sending him all of these messages so that he will feel guilty. Maybe Jay killed Jessica and just forgot it, but has recently started to remember what happened. In Entry #19 Jay confesses that he has been recording himself just like Alex did, so if he was keeping secrets then, he could also be keeping secrets now.

I don't know if we have any good clues right now that say Jay is lying about anything. It seems to fit Tim better; but if it were talking about someone else I guess that would be surprising (to an extent). Jay does cut stuff out of videos though, and who knows what he's cutting out.


Could be viable. We are at Jay's mercy with what we know since he can cut anything he wants out of the tapes, and the only way to get to the truth is through TTA. Through the way he edits he could be lying to all of us (via YouTube). Perhaps the "He is a LIAR" meant Jay. Even though Jay ended up in that room first, Tim did get there and see the message. "WATCHING" could be a warning, to the effect of "I can see what you're doing (with your editing). Just know that."


I like the idea, however the only issue I see is that I don't think we've ever seen Jay get angry/violent... Just the one time he tackled the operator. He also hit masky with the flashlight in self defense I suppose. I think he's the only main character who has never had a violent outburst. Though I guess you could argue that's him editing stuff out. I just think TTA would've shown us something by now if Jays the villain.

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sentient_boulder
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 		Hey everyone, lurked here for a few months so decided to start chucking in my deliciously half-baked thoughts and theories. Here goes:

What if Alex was actually in a reasonable un-operatored state when we see him shouting, and that he's actually been trying to take down TO from the inside? It seems that Hoody with all his mysteriousness may not want that to get out (hence the removed audio), for whatever reason. I just think that we've often been a bit quick to pidgeon-hole characters as good or bad and that Alex, Tim, Hoody, and TTA are far from known entities. Reckon we're in for some serious twists in that regard.

Come at me. Shoot me down.

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 		What evidence are you using to support that theory?

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sentient_boulder
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 		Mostly just based on Alex's emotion while shouting. The operator-owned Alex wouldn't be losing it like that, it seemed like a indignant "I'm trying to fucking help you" type thing, whereas Operator Alex would be far more cool, evil and collected. He also seems to have been actively trying to keep Jay and co out of serious trouble throughout. Yeah that could just mean he's keeping them for TO's sinister purposes, but I think there's going to be more to it. Of course, I haven't followed the series as closely as some so I'm probably missing pretty major chunks of evidence which send my theory to the firing squad.

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michaelO2000
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 		Re: Jay's fault
KTsteve wrote:
anothergreg wrote:
Oxide wrote:
michaelO2000 wrote:
I know that a lot of people are going to disagree with me one this, but what if Jay is "the liar" Maybe Jay did something and that is why TTA is sending him all of these messages so that he will feel guilty. Maybe Jay killed Jessica and just forgot it, but has recently started to remember what happened. In Entry #19 Jay confesses that he has been recording himself just like Alex did, so if he was keeping secrets then, he could also be keeping secrets now.

I don't know if we have any good clues right now that say Jay is lying about anything. It seems to fit Tim better; but if it were talking about someone else I guess that would be surprising (to an extent). Jay does cut stuff out of videos though, and who knows what he's cutting out.


Could be viable. We are at Jay's mercy with what we know since he can cut anything he wants out of the tapes, and the only way to get to the truth is through TTA. Through the way he edits he could be lying to all of us (via YouTube). Perhaps the "He is a LIAR" meant Jay. Even though Jay ended up in that room first, Tim did get there and see the message. "WATCHING" could be a warning, to the effect of "I can see what you're doing (with your editing). Just know that."


I like the idea, however the only issue I see is that I don't think we've ever seen Jay get angry/violent... Just the one time he tackled the operator. He also hit masky with the flashlight in self defense I suppose. I think he's the only main character who has never had a violent outburst. Though I guess you could argue that's him editing stuff out. I just think TTA would've shown us something by now if Jays the villain.


Yeah, Jay really isn't violent, but what I meant before was that Jay might have killed Jessica, but did it unwillingly and forgot. Also, TTA has said "truly your fault" in one of his/her codes, this is what made me think Jay killed Jessica, but in another one of TTA's codes it said "she is out there" so, assuming "she" is referring to Jessica, she is most likely still alive.

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censura_umbra
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sentient_boulder wrote:
Mostly just based on Alex's emotion while shouting. The operator-owned Alex wouldn't be losing it like that, it seemed like a indignant "I'm trying to fucking help you" type thing, whereas Operator Alex would be far more cool, evil and collected. He also seems to have been actively trying to keep Jay and co out of serious trouble throughout. Yeah that could just mean he's keeping them for TO's sinister purposes, but I think there's going to be more to it. Of course, I haven't followed the series as closely as some so I'm probably missing pretty major chunks of evidence which send my theory to the firing squad.


This does raise a good point, Alex has twice "warned" them. If he really was feeding people to TO, why would he warn them. I know it has been brought up before, but maybe Alex isn't all evil. Or maybe he has an evil "masky" state

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 		In entry 64 I'm not so sure that Alex was 'warning' Jay and Tim so much as 'threatening' them. I guess he could have been warning Jay at least, but to me it sounded more like a "leave now (or else imma sick Oppy on you)".

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censura_umbra
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CraicIsMighty wrote:
In entry 64 I'm not so sure that Alex was 'warning' Jay and Tim so much as 'threatening' them. I guess he could have been warning Jay at least, but to me it sounded more like a "leave now (or else imma sick Oppy on you)".


Yes, but if he was feeding people to Oppy, wouldn't he want them to proceed? He is telling them not to get involved, or too close. While he may not be afraid to use violence to keep them away, in the end he IS trying to keep them away.

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pravado
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 		If Alex wanted Jay dead he could have killed him in 64 as he had eyes on him and a gun.

I still believe there is some good in Alex and actually, the theory that he is trying to stealthily kill the operator from the inside is one that i've had brewing for a while. I don't think he's associates with hoody though. If it's true that Alex is going rogue, then he could be doing things to please the operator even though he knows they're wrong, just to have the operator believe alex is a worthy minion.

He knows Jay isn't going to stop his investigation, and that he might be useful after all. We have to remember that the operator was involved with Alex all the way back during entry 26, and Alex doesn't really act menacing until entry 44, after he walked into the operator. He sounded like he legitimately wanted Jay's help finding Amy in entry 43. After that, Jay honestly did cross the line a few times by breaking into Alex's place, and posting incriminating footage online, so I don't completely blame him for pulling a gun on Jay.

I once again pose the idea that the bullet casing from season 1 was Alex trying to shoot the operator. No blood implies the bullet didn't work against the operator. That's the best explanation that I can come up with, as I don't see them ever going back to it

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