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[VIDEO] Entry 67
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pravado
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FalloutGhoul wrote:
censura_umbra wrote:
FalloutGhoul wrote:
Now that I'm thinking about it, seeing Hoody dragging Tim away reminds me of Entry #51, when we see Brain getting dragged off by some unseen being.

I wonder if Hoody might have saved Brian by dragging him off, and then another question:
If that's true, then who IS Hoody? Shocked


I was reminded of this too and

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oog: I doubt this is a coincidence

Definitely not a coincidence!
If Hoody was actually the one that dragged Brian away, then that pretty would awesome, and also mean that Hoody was around during the "filming" of Marble Hornets.
Shocked


We already know hoody was around at that time because of "exit". Maybe I can once again give my Seth = hoody theory and win some new people over to my side since it seems like we got some new folks


- Seth was the cameraman of marble hornets, and also the film editor (entry 9 confirms him as cameraman, entry 54 confirms him as film editor). If Alex had been stalked by the operator, seth would have known it first bc he'd see these things on the footage (especially entry 7). Totheark has some alternate camera angles for entries (again, entry 7) and if seth had all the b-roll stuff that'd explain it.

Just after Seth is "taken" a distorted face appears on the screen that resembles hoody's mask (entry 23)


- In entry 22 seth and alex are wandering around the basement. Seths hands are shaking. He most likely is not there for filming/location scouting purposes, as that role would have lied with jay as jay was co-director/producer or w/e. Seth most likely knew something was up and wanted to help Alex find out what it was. This part of the theory also ties in with the whole seth knew about it before alex thing.


- Totheark has extensive knowledge on editing footage. Some of the things he does (such as editing time stamps of footage) is incredibly complex. Only a film maker would know how to do that. Who knows more about editing film than the MH film editor?

- They've brought brian to a few conventions now. Wouldn't it be pretty predictable to have brian be hoody if they're flaunting him off at cons? Imo he's just a red herring





However, Alex had the entry 51 tape in his posession, meaning he must have been the one to drag out brian and take the tape. It's not really a hole in this theory, but one in why Brian can't be hoody.

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pravado
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granitemoth88 wrote:
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Something else I never thought about

Why would Alex try to kill Jay and Jessica if he knew the operator could just make them vanish.

Let's also keep in mind Jessica has never once called Jay in the two years she's been gone. Assuming she hasn't gotten herself killed, that's something to think about. I'm just picturing the operator side effects breaking her cell phone and her not having a way of getting jay's number anymore lol



That is really interesting, and I've never thought about it that way. Everybody keeps weaving in and out of each other's lives except Jessica. When Alex tried to run away, he got sucked right back into things. The same thing with Jay, when he was about to leave the hotel. And with Tim, too. Jessica is obviously an important character, yet she has seemingly disappeared inexplicably. Very strange now that you mention it.


And I think the fact that we can't distinguish if it's for in game or out of game reasons is starting to affect the story for things like this. I want to see more dialogue about things like this in entries, and less walking around areas we've seen tens of times before

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censura_umbra
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pravado wrote:
That's 100% 3D. Just used my purple/green glasses and it popped a lil, nothing extreme though. Just troy messing around with new filters


Who is Troy? Is he Hoody? Was he on the original set? Is hoody/troy editing this tape to be doctored and pretending it is ware and tare?

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I jest


As for your Seth theory I am sold. I used to think Seth was TTA and even mentioned it back in season 2 I think. Mostly for the editor reason. But I fell in the Brian camp when Tim's back story came into play. But at this point I think it is up in the air. They could go either way and it would fit the story.

Hell, it is probably both of them. Seth tells Brian "hey did you see this thing on set?" Brian goes "oh shit, its following Tim again" Seth and Brian go rogue and try to stop it, probably even causing it to go after Alex instead of Tim.

Also a plus on the Brian theory was that time when Brian was missing while they were at his house (that was Brian right?) And the fact that masky used Brian's house.

But if you think about it. If they go with JUST Seth, then Brian was always a red herring. If you go with JUST Brian, then all of those things about Seth you mentioned seem strange. Mostly, why is Brian such a good editor? And why didn't Seth notice TO.

So I think the best answer is that it is both of them ( hell, I still like the idea that it is the entire crew except Alex and jay. Because Alex is "evil" and jay forgot, so they let him be, which is why he has had no contact with him, and now that he knows, they want him on their side) also it would explain the multiple build types

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I know I know what Troy said. But come on, it is TOO obvious to not include in the story line, unless you start the DVD with that disclaimer


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 		I could see them revealing totheark as seth and hoody as brian working as one team alongside tim, although it'd be tough to explain

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 		I like that.

But no matter what way they go with it, the backstory is going to be hard to explain without getting to narration-y like Tim did. I hope they explain it through early marble hornets film, like they almost did in season 1. Just some left out scenes that make it relatively obvious what happened.

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 		My theory is still that Brian is hoody. Tim as masky dragged brian off in entry 51, couple months later, brian as hoody returns the favor to tim by dragging him off to protect him from Alex, who has come to finish him off and kill him. Maybe TO is incapable of killing people and just incapacitates them so someone else can do his bidding? /shrug. Hard to tell since we've never seen TO take any overtly aggressive action.
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I don't usually admit this, but the Operator's passivity is one of the things that really bugs me about this series. MH is primarily a horror/mystery story, but after four years of seeing a figure, the scare factor goes away unless it actually does something worthy of fear.

This series really needs to amp up the horror factor. Which I realize is hard to do with only four principal characters played by three or four actors. But still. I want to be afraid of the Operator again.


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Zarggg wrote:
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I don't usually admit this, but the Operator's passivity is one of the things that really bugs me about this series. MH is primarily a horror/mystery story, but after four years of seeing a figure, the scare factor goes away unless it actually does something worthy of fear.

This series really needs to amp up the horror factor. Which I realize is hard to do with only four principal characters played by three or four actors. But still. I want to be afraid of the Operator again.


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I'm personally terrified of anyone over 5'10, so I find the Operator to be extremely horrifying. Also, the fact that he's got no face and wears a business suit for no reason while walking around the woods and abducting people, that's scary... I don't know, I don't feel like he's lost any of his scare factor.


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Zarggg wrote:
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I don't usually admit this, but the Operator's passivity is one of the things that really bugs me about this series. MH is primarily a horror/mystery story, but after four years of seeing a figure, the scare factor goes away unless it actually does something worthy of fear.

This series really needs to amp up the horror factor. Which I realize is hard to do with only four principal characters played by three or four actors. But still. I want to be afraid of the Operator again.


I agree with you 100% even slender sickness and nighttime stalking has disappeared

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 		Well, it would be quite strange that Tim and Brian, both actors, just gained the skill to film and edit, wouldn't it?

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 		My only problem with Seth being Hoody or TTA is that I'm having a hard time making the chronology make sense (partly due to poor memory.) Seth gets tackled by someone in Entry #22 and I always assumed it was Masky/Hoody trying to save him from Alex/the operator. If Seth is Hoody, then who tackled him in Entry #22? I honestly can't remember whether Entry #22 took place before or after Entry #51 and Entry #57, and we can't really rely on what Alex says in Entry #51.

Peculiar speculation time: What if Seth is Hoody, and he checked out the hospital with Alex and realised what was happening. He then told Alex he was sick so that he could sneak around without arousing Alex's suspicions. He arranges the Basement of Doom incident (assuming it's at the hospital in game) with Tim so that Alex think he's luring Seth down there. Seth gets tackled and saved by Tim and then the operator wipes Alex's memory. (Not because he's in league with Seth or anything, but just because that's what close proximity to the operator does to people.) The outcome would be that Alex thinks he killed Seth off.

However to get this to work Seth needs to save Tim and Brian first, which is what he does as Hoody in Entry #51. This is also why Tim stays around the hospital in Entry #56, because he needs to still be there, and also needs Alex to think he's dead.

Then Alex thinks that he got rid of Tim, Brian, and Seth, even though they all survived and starts to act normal again. Jay's the only one who Alex knows survives, so he gives him the tapes as a way of an explanation, then leaves town to start a new life.

This begs the question about how Seth knew about it all in the first place. As cameraman/editor he had access to all Alex's tapes and saw the same things that he did. The only other person with access to a camera was Tim (as behing the scenes guy) and we know that Tim has had a history of being stalked by the operator. So Tim and Seth probably spoke at one point in the season 1 era and started to put together the pieces of the puzzle. This also explains how TTA got footage of Jay back in Exit and Addition.

Until now I've gone to and fro with the Hoody is Seth theory, but since Hoody was probably the one who rescued Brian in Entry #51, Seth is seeming more likely.

OOG stuff about Brian appearing in the discussions: That's got nothing to do with the game really. If Brian has more screen time than Seth, and the audience like him more, and he's more willing to attend those events, then he'll be on the panel. There's no point trying to read into which three actors sit behind the table in public.

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 		My theory: TTA/Hoody is Seth/Brian (I think they switch when needed) but for the most part Brian is then muscle and Seth is the Brain not saying Brian/Hoody is dumb, just saying Brian is friendlier with Tim/masky and better at avoiding TO.

The reason I think Brian is involved: Tim. His house. Missing the day TO showed up at his house during filming (right?)

The reason I think Seth HAS to be involved: unaccounted for b-tapes, editing, he HAD to have noticed TO before Alex

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censura_umbra wrote:
The reason I think Seth HAS to be involved: unaccounted for b-tapes, editing, he HAD to have noticed TO before Alex


I'm not too sure about this bit. If we saw all the evidence from season 1 then the only entries where Alex didn't already know about a creepy guy in a suit are entries 5 and 12. The signs in Entry #5 are very obvious from the tape, but there's no sighting of the operator, and in Entry #12 Alex would have known about the operator very shortly after the entry ended. This means that Seth would have had to have picked up on something that Jay didn't post, which I suppose is possible. Either that, or more tapes went missing. If Jay lost all the tapes when his apartment burned down then I suppose we'll never see what he missed that Seth didn't...

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aidansean wrote:
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The reason I think Seth HAS to be involved: unaccounted for b-tapes, editing, he HAD to have noticed TO before Alex


I'm not too sure about this bit. If we saw all the evidence from season 1 then the only entries where Alex didn't already know about a creepy guy in a suit are entries 5 and 12. The signs in Entry #5 are very obvious from the tape, but there's no sighting of the operator, and in Entry #12 Alex would have known about the operator very shortly after the entry ended. This means that Seth would have had to have picked up on something that Jay didn't post, which I suppose is possible. Either that, or more tapes went missing. If Jay lost all the tapes when his apartment burned down then I suppose we'll never see what he missed that Seth didn't...


I was exaggerating a bit when I said before Alex knew. But the operator appeared on plenty of normal tapes that were intended for the film. One such example comes to mind which is when they were in the car and TO was in the alley. Seth would be very oblivious and/or The Operator can make people oblivious if we are expected to believe that Seth didn't catch on

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matixzun wrote:
Well, it would be quite strange that Tim and Brian, both actors, just gained the skill to film and edit, wouldn't it?


No. It's actually incredibly easy to learn film editing yourself, especially if you have computer software and three years of in-game time to do it. Hell, I learned it myself on iMovie, and iMovie is terrible (and I'm an idiot). And it's never stated that Tim and Brian are just actors, they could also be film students, thus having learned editing skills in school. Seth being a film editor is just circumstantial evidence for him being TTA, although I am starting to think that he might be.

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