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(OT) The Operator vs Slenderman
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AngryDeepground
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(OT) The Operator vs Slenderman
Their defining differences

At this point we all can agree that The Operator is not Slenderman, even if it's based on slendy. So what can we can say are there big differences.

One of the biggest differences I've seen is Operator is he does not seen taking children, which is a huge trait of Slenderman. Also Operator has effects on technology which Slenderan does not. After all if Slenderman had no effect on technology, why do we have pictures of him.

All in all it would be helpful to know the differences. After all a lot of people assume Operator is Slenderman, which can affect their perception of MH's story.

P.S. To avoid confusion please Clarify which one your talking about. Cause if you say slendy and you meant operator we wouldn't know.

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Good point, also, using TO is very disruptive when reading. The Operator works just fine, and most people type too much anyway, so your theory could benefit from it Wink

Slenderman can disrupt technology, nowadays. Most vlogs use it, even though MH may have wanted it to be their own thing, and those vlogs still call it Slenderman--not the Operator--so, it seems to be a retroactive feature of him now.
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Well I'm not sure that the point of the distinction is because they want it to be definitely different. Mainly I think it is so that they aren't bound by something another writer creates and then catches on--i.e. tentacles or something. And so that nothing THEY say has to become canon.

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The tentacles couldn't be done because they probably didn't like them. They would just be for show, and wouldn't make anything distinguishable between The Operator and Slenderman. If Troseph really did want to do it, then it wasn't in the budget. The Operator is like the actual Slenderman in the MH universe, but the tentacles were just added by some teen around a campfire to make it scarier (in the MH universe of course)
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In a radio interview Troseph did correct people when they called The Operator Slender man, so differences are intended.

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It's really not that different. Troseph can say that they want it to be different in their universe, but in reality, Slendy is different in almost every universe. Most choose what they want to use when it comes to the Slenderman. MH doesn't use the tentacles, but TribeTwelve does. In Seeking Truth he disembowels people. But they still do the same thing. MH had a huge affect on the Mythos, but they just have a version of Slenderman, which still makes it slenderman. It all depends on what the authors of the story want, but the basis is there, and it is Slenderman. One of the things about this mythos though, is that everyone contributes to it, so there are changes and there will be inconsistencies. We just have to accept that as part of the mythos, as long as we keep at least some consistencies.

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Zebez wrote:
It's really not that different. Troseph can say that they want it to be different in their universe, but in reality, Slendy is different in almost every universe. Most choose what they want to use when it comes to the Slenderman. MH doesn't use the tentacles, but TribeTwelve does. In Seeking Truth he disembowels people. But they still do the same thing. MH had a huge affect on the Mythos, but they just have a version of Slenderman, which still makes it slenderman. It all depends on what the authors of the story want, but the basis is there, and it is Slenderman. One of the things about this mythos though, is that everyone contributes to it, so there are changes and there will be inconsistencies. We just have to accept that as part of the mythos, as long as we keep at least some consistencies.


Yes well that is true Marble Hornets was the first of it's ilk, and the operators differences effect the general MH story and that's why I think it's important to clarify them.

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Zebez, the purpose of this thread is to explain that the Operator and Slender Man are, in fact, different entities and to detail what marks them as separate.

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Zarggg wrote:
Zebez, the purpose of this thread is to explain that the Operator and Slender Man are, in fact, different entities and to detail what marks them as separate.


I understand the purpose, but I don't really agree with it.

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I agree with Zebez. Troseph can say that The Operator is entirely different from The Slender Man, and I can understand why they do that, but it's not. Most vlogs have a fairly different interpretation of the Slender Man anyway, so it's not like the Slender Man has any set criteria, either, aside from being tall, in a suit, and no face. The Operator is all of those things. He doesn't have tentacles? Neither does The Slender Man in The Andersen Journals. Should MLA start calling him The Director, since theirs is different? No, that would be absurd. I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but let's be serious. The Operator is The Slender Man. I'd go as far as to say Troy, Joseph, and The Operator have done just as much for the mythos as, if not more than, Victor Surge. Almost every major (and even second tier/minor) Slender Man vlog has taken several nods from Marble Hornets. Marble Hornets is the most-acclaimed and most-known series in the whole mythos, that pretty much means they're a permanent part of it, and The Operator is indeed The Slender Man, no matter how much Troy, Joseph, or anybody else wants to say otherwise.

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JustJim wrote:
I agree with Zebez. Troseph can say that The Operator is entirely different from The Slender Man, and I can understand why they do that, but it's not. Most vlogs have a fairly different interpretation of the Slender Man anyway, so it's not like the Slender Man has any set criteria, either, aside from being tall, in a suit, and no face. The Operator is all of those things. He doesn't have tentacles? Neither does The Slender Man in The Andersen Journals. Should MLA start calling him The Director, since theirs is different? No, that would be absurd. I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but let's be serious. The Operator is The Slender Man. I'd go as far as to say Troy, Joseph, and The Operator have done just as much for the mythos as, if not more than, Victor Surge. Almost every major (and even second tier/minor) Slender Man vlog has taken several nods from Marble Hornets. Marble Hornets is the most-acclaimed and most-known series in the whole mythos, that pretty much means they're a permanent part of it, and The Operator is indeed The Slender Man, no matter how much Troy, Joseph, or anybody else wants to say otherwise.


Except, as per the original mythos, The Operator is not Slender Man. It's based off of the mythos but is not intended to be the same exact entity from those stories. It's not the Slender Man though it shares qualities of it. You can't argue that the Operator is the exact same thing as the original Slender Man, which is what Troseph is saying it is not.

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Yuki wrote:
JustJim wrote:
I agree with Zebez. Troseph can say that The Operator is entirely different from The Slender Man, and I can understand why they do that, but it's not. Most vlogs have a fairly different interpretation of the Slender Man anyway, so it's not like the Slender Man has any set criteria, either, aside from being tall, in a suit, and no face. The Operator is all of those things. He doesn't have tentacles? Neither does The Slender Man in The Andersen Journals. Should MLA start calling him The Director, since theirs is different? No, that would be absurd. I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but let's be serious. The Operator is The Slender Man. I'd go as far as to say Troy, Joseph, and The Operator have done just as much for the mythos as, if not more than, Victor Surge. Almost every major (and even second tier/minor) Slender Man vlog has taken several nods from Marble Hornets. Marble Hornets is the most-acclaimed and most-known series in the whole mythos, that pretty much means they're a permanent part of it, and The Operator is indeed The Slender Man, no matter how much Troy, Joseph, or anybody else wants to say otherwise.


Except, as per the original mythos, The Operator is not Slender Man. It's based off of the mythos but is not intended to be the same exact entity from those stories. It's not the Slender Man though it shares qualities of it. You can't argue that the Operator is the exact same thing as the original Slender Man, which is what Troseph is saying it is not.


I can understand that, but compare The Slender Man of the original mythos to the figure that appears in most vlogs these days. They don't share much more similarities than The Operator does with the original mythos. The Operator is no more unique than most of The Slender Man portrayals in any other major vlog.

As I said, Troy and Joseph can call their antagonist whatever they like, but it's The Slender Man. Not only that, it's the most well-known adaptation of The Slender Man. Calling something by a different name does not make it so.

Let's say I create a film about a notorious gangster who immigrated from Cuba, wore flashy suits, and became the drug lord of Miami while stepping on anybody who got in his way. Oh, but he has a scar on his hand, not his face. His name is Johnny Colorado, Scarhand. Perfectly acceptable, right?

Look, I'm not trying to start anything or troll or what have you. But let's not kid ourselves. Regardless of intention or naming by the creators, The Operator is, for all intents and purposes, The Slender Man. That's not a knock on Marble Hornets, that's not an insult to Troy and Joseph's creativity or skill, it's simply a fact.

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JustJim wrote:
Yuki wrote:
JustJim wrote:
I agree with Zebez. Troseph can say that The Operator is entirely different from The Slender Man, and I can understand why they do that, but it's not. Most vlogs have a fairly different interpretation of the Slender Man anyway, so it's not like the Slender Man has any set criteria, either, aside from being tall, in a suit, and no face. The Operator is all of those things. He doesn't have tentacles? Neither does The Slender Man in The Andersen Journals. Should MLA start calling him The Director, since theirs is different? No, that would be absurd. I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but let's be serious. The Operator is The Slender Man. I'd go as far as to say Troy, Joseph, and The Operator have done just as much for the mythos as, if not more than, Victor Surge. Almost every major (and even second tier/minor) Slender Man vlog has taken several nods from Marble Hornets. Marble Hornets is the most-acclaimed and most-known series in the whole mythos, that pretty much means they're a permanent part of it, and The Operator is indeed The Slender Man, no matter how much Troy, Joseph, or anybody else wants to say otherwise.


Except, as per the original mythos, The Operator is not Slender Man. It's based off of the mythos but is not intended to be the same exact entity from those stories. It's not the Slender Man though it shares qualities of it. You can't argue that the Operator is the exact same thing as the original Slender Man, which is what Troseph is saying it is not.


I can understand that, but compare The Slender Man of the original mythos to the figure that appears in most vlogs these days. They don't share much more similarities than The Operator does with the original mythos. The Operator is no more unique than most of The Slender Man portrayals in any other major vlog.

As I said, Troy and Joseph can call their antagonist whatever they like, but it's The Slender Man. Not only that, it's the most well-known adaptation of The Slender Man. Calling something by a different name does not make it so.

Let's say I create a film about a notorious gangster who immigrated from Cuba, wore flashy suits, and became the drug lord of Miami while stepping on anybody who got in his way. Oh, but he has a scar on his hand, not his face. His name is Johnny Colorado, Scarhand. Perfectly acceptable, right?

Look, I'm not trying to start anything or troll or what have you. But let's not kid ourselves. Regardless of intention or naming by the creators, The Operator is, for all intents and purposes, The Slender Man. That's not a knock on Marble Hornets, that's not an insult to Troy and Joseph's creativity or skill, it's simply a fact.



There are differences from The Operator and Slenderman, and I'm trying to identify them. Slender man was created by Victor Surge, and despite the fact that Troy and Joseph have effected the mythos, they did not make slender man, and thats why differences matter.

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JustJim wrote:
Let's say I create a film about a notorious gangster who immigrated from Cuba, wore flashy suits, and became the drug lord of Miami while stepping on anybody who got in his way. Oh, but he has a scar on his hand, not his face. His name is Johnny Colorado, Scarhand. Perfectly acceptable, right?

By your exact argument, you would be implying that Scarhand is Scarface. Also, you would be arguing that every fictional character based off of a real person is that real person.

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Anyone make note of the DVD warning?

I think they shot themselves in the foot with that if they want to separate the characters.

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