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[Osttle]

I assumed 13 took place BEFORE The student film. Maybe because I go location scouting before filming anything. But you are right. Although Alex might have taken Jay out there in case anything happened while Operator hunting. I dunno I still think 51 takes place after 13. But that's just a theory, A GAME THEORY

[DHawk314]

The trouble though is there are parts of Marble Hornet's production where Alex doesn't recognize the Operator, E.G. Entry #12, Entry #2, but in 13 Alex sees the Operator and immediately begins running. As a matter of fact, the entry seems less like location scouting and much more like Alex actively searching the Operator out. They also never actually say it's location scouting in the entry, it's just assumed to be since Jay is there with him.

So I mean, in the context of the entry in terms of Marble Hornets' production, it has to be some ways through production, regardless of it's relation with 51. If it was pre-production like Entry #5, Alex's relationship with the Operator would be different. Also, he'd at the very least recognize him seeing him in 2 and 12, which were both during production.

So yeah I mean 13 may or may not be before 51 but it's not before production all together.

[Sha Noran]

After rewatching 13, I'd say it is very unlikely it occurs after 51. Alex's demeanor is much more early production style: i.e. before 9 and the cancelling of production altogether.

[Sha Noran]

Hmm.. I just watched 67 again, and it seems to me that it was the same day as 51. Confirm/deny?

[Marble Hornets]

[DHawk314]

[TheJoker]

Uh.... why are we talking about 67 (aka the S3 entry in which Hoody nearly kills Alex at the hospital) and its chronological relation to 51 (aka the one in which Brian is taken by TO about 7 years before 67 ever happened)?

[DHawk314]

After thinking about it a little, I think they might mean 57, which actually was the night before 51.

Anyway Alex seems Marble Hornets production style-ish in Entries 56 and 51 too before he bashes Tim in the back of the head with a pipe and the Operator attacks Brian respectively. He seems slightly more stressed with Tim, but not really anymore with Brian than he does with Jay in 13. His demeanor doesn't seem all that different, not in any substantive way. Plus, they were location scouting in 56 anyway, so how can we say location scouting automatically equals earlier on? In that era, Alex was always pretending he was producing the movie. I just can't recognize any of this as real evidence for a timeline; Alex Kralie's production schedule for his really amateur movie is honestly kinda a loose and flimsy thing to base that on compared to stuff like Alex's relation with the Operator or presence of totheark.

You could sorta argue Alex runs from the Operator and that should be before he's "Sacrificing" people, but there's little real evidence to say it went "Scared of the Operator leads to sacrificing people". We've always just assumed that the sacrifice entries are after other ones like 1 and 6 and 10, and now we're using that to support the idea that it MUST be before other ones because that's the sequence of events. But actually examining things, all of that's basically conjecture.

I am in no way inclined to believe Alex got rid of Tim or Brian way late in the Marble Hornets tapes, since most of the tapes have nothing to do with production of the movie. I'm only inclined they're after the rare few that have to do with movie production. I am also in no way inclined to think 13 is before production, because his recognizing the Operator means it simply can't be, and also because Alex does do location scouting as late as 56. Sure it's a huge lie, but whose to say it isn't with Jay too?

I just think we're making a lot of assumptions here about the timeline that we need to examine. Do we actually know the sacrifice entries take place after most of the random Operator appearances where Alex's scared? We're assuming that's the direction he went crazy in, but that's all it comes off as to me. Assumptions. And anyway at the very least I think it's plausible that 13 is after 51. 51 is undated so I'm not particularly convinced there's proof either way, but it hardly disproves totheark as Brian.

[Master of Octopi]

[TheOperator]

The longer that goes on, the more the problems with every possible Hoody candidate irk me. Brian's too obvious, Seth's too minor, they never started making an attempt to make Hoody look less masculine and there's no instances of major time travel shown, so Future Jay would probably come out of no where. I just worry that it's going to be a bad reveal no matter what.

[Zarggg]

Just because a given character is "obvious" does not mean it's an invalid guess. To me, Brian is the obvious choice because his character arc makes the most sense.

[sp103]

I think the "future Jay" as hoody makes more sense now than ever seeing Jay was captured (or taken) by the Operator in the last entry. It also explains the following:
A: Explains why Hoody wanted Jay to go to Benedict Hall to ensure that sequence occurs.
B: Explains how TOTHEARK can access Jay's youtube and twitter accounts.
C: Explains why Hoody keeps his identity so closely guarded (Time paradox issues like Back to the Future 2).

[TheOperator]

[Dacad]

I don't think Hoody knowing Jay's passwords would be explained by time travel. Let's face it, Jay probably doesn't remember half the passwords he used. He outright said during Tweetpocalypse that he didn't remember the password to the email account that his Youtube was tied to. It could either be that Hoody has some sort of precognitive power (never shown, but he knows a lot of stuff about a lot of people) or he's just a good hacker. Or, he's figured out how to use the "disrupt electronics" trait that he has to get some deliberate result (getting onto someone's account).

[Zarggg]