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Lithp wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
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It'll be the Entry I've Been Waiting For when The Operator actually attacks someone.


He beat seven months out of Jay in entry 52.


Heh.



I'm still not totally sure the Operator attacked Jay in 52, it looked to me like Jay, in a fit of rage, thought "fuck it" and charged the Tall Man, thinking maybe he could fight him as long as he kept the camera on him or that perhaps the Operator was vulnerable to physical attacks which as far was we know-- he might be (unfortunately he's very quick, so we may never know).

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Geneaux486
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It looked like the camera, and possibly the guy holding it, was being thrown around in the air. Then there's the fact that we saw Jay's head go up against a wall, after which he was pulled out of frame pretty quickly. I'm of the opinion that the Operator went Doctor Octopus on him.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
It looked like the camera, and possibly the guy holding it, was being thrown around in the air. Then there's the fact that we saw Jay's head go up against a wall, after which he was pulled out of frame pretty quickly. I'm of the opinion that the Operator went Doctor Octopus on him.


Yeah, I see what you're saying-- the movement was a little smooth for a full on linebacker charge. But still, if you listen closely (and this has been discussed to death) you can hear Jay yelling something at the Tall Man like "What do you want from us, you son of a bitch?" Right before he charges/gets pulled towards the Operator.

While unlikely, but not impossible, it was a combination of the two: Jay thought to charge Slendy, but the Big O intercepted his thoughts and body language and drew Jay towards him instead in a special kind of scare tactic that only someone with the caliber of the Operator has. Like, Jay's about to charge, then the Operator pulls him up to his face and telepathically says "Hello, there."

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I think what Jay shouted was "What do you want? Leave us alone!". I'm still of the mindset that he bumrushed the Operator, who picked him up and shook him.

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If they do choose to show a direct attack, I think simplicity should be the order of the day. The Operator doesn't need to touch anything; the characters just need to start writhing in agony around him while the cameras distort a little.


Probably. I do like the concept of a monstrous, violent Slenderman, but Marble Hornets does not lend itself easily to that. The most physical movement I would expect from it is running, grabbing, or swiping its arms, & the only "special effects" they really have are the distortion & the fake blood.

I definitely think that Jay rushed The Operator, & then it started flipping him around. If Jay was being pulled telekinetically, you'd think there'd be some surprise in his voice. It didn't last long, sure, but it lasted long enough that several people allegedly noticed it.

In my mind, The Operator grabs Jay, because it's kind of silly to picture it just watching him as he flies around in the air.

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Lithp wrote:
Probably. I do like the concept of a monstrous, violent Slenderman, but Marble Hornets does not lend itself easily to that.


Yes, I have always known that there are two types of horror for two different groups of people:

1. Some are scared of subtlety, suspense, ghosts, Lovecraftian horror etc. This group's mentality is built on primal fear of unknown.
2. Some are much more afraid of direct physical contact with monsters. Scarejumps, Jeff the Killer, wild animals etc. This group's mentaility is built on primal fear of death.

Slenderman originally was of the first type and Marble Hornets have always stayed behind this characterization. I find it silly to complain about it or expect anything different. You would not expect Agatha Christie's detective to turn into action book even if circumstances allow it. For those who like action horror, Marble Hornets introduced Masky, Hoody etc., though. I am usually completely dense to that kind, but MH pulled it off.

However, Marble Hornets is not the only Slendervlog out there and characterizations differ. If you want violent, bloodthirsty Slenderman I strongly recommend DarkHarvest00, TribeTwelve and MLAnderson0. EMH is similiar to MH

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Oransel wrote:
Lithp wrote:
Probably. I do like the concept of a monstrous, violent Slenderman, but Marble Hornets does not lend itself easily to that.


Yes, I have always known that there are two types of horror for two different groups of people:

1. Some are scared of subtlety, suspense, ghosts, Lovecraftian horror etc. This group's mentality is built on primal fear of unknown.
2. Some are much more afraid of direct physical contact with monsters. Scarejumps, Jeff the Killer, wild animals etc. This group's mentaility is built on primal fear of death.


This is exactly what I was going to post once I got done catching up in the thread. I've never gotten truly scared by jump scares or slasher films. They seem borderline comical to me most of the time. However psychological stuff freaks me the hell out. I watch marble hornets because it's a psychological horror, and I hope it stays that way. If you want a jump scare or gore film, hollywood pumps one of those out weekly, go watch one.

Also I agree with pravado, so many facepalms reading through this entry thread.

Tim is still taking pills
The distortion hole actually was a thing
Jay is either getting more paranoid, hoody is getting sneakier, or Jay is hallucinating
Alex burned a few tapes in the woods, left them in the hole. Jay and Tim found them. We get to see tapes Alex wanted burned.

The only real question... dafaq is that fountain thing? I saw it asked earlier where it was seen, but there were no answer. Like was it in a previous entry and I just missed it?

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I find jump scares & gorn to be cheap attempts at evoking fear even if they are successful. I also find EverymanHYBRID scarier than Marble Hornets but cannot stomach Tribe Twelve. And Jeff the Killer is not only not scary at all, but pretty much the worst piece of trash ever written. So if I don't fit into the "Unknown Category" or the "Danger Category," then it would appear that my problem is that I fear nothing at all.

Now, I suppose I could go into more detail about why I think your stereotypes are wrong, but someone would probably get all pissed off that we're not talking about the actual entry.

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Tim is still taking pills


This is one of the few things left to talk about particularly interesting, because Jay showed an awareness of the fact that the pills were somehow correlated to the masked state. The question is, does he believe that they cause it, or that they suppress it?

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Lithp wrote:
And Jeff the Killer is not only not scary at all, but pretty much the worst piece of trash ever written.


Yeah, sometimes the stories on creepypasta try way too hard.

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Now, I suppose I could go into more detail about why I think your stereotypes are wrong


I don't think they're stereotypes so much as archetypes or sub-genres. They're generalizations, so while they probably won't define any single person precisely, in the broadest sense they are accurate.

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This is one of the few things left to talk about particularly interesting,


Heh.

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because Jay showed an awareness of the fact that the pills were somehow correlated to the masked state. The question is, does he believe that they cause it, or that they suppress it?


The way he reacts to Tim taking them seems to suggest that he believes they supress it. I'm thinking that if Jay did think it was possible for the pills to cause the fugue state, he'd have tried to stop him.

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Gosh a lot of replies since I've been gone! Smile Just want to clarify the whole "Jay put the tapes there" speculation because some people are still getting it wrong. It's speculation for fun, not "I think this is 100% correct" type stuff. The kinds of events, ordered from least to most credible, in my opinion are:

1) Alex burned the tapes there 7 years ago and they have been undisturbed until Jay derped into them. To me this is a total contradiction- they can't be so well hidden that nobody disturbs them, and yet so accessible that someone who isn't even looking for them can find them.
2) Jay is messing with Tim and put them there himself. Not likely, but possible, and it would take the plot somewhere quite interesting. (What I had in mind was Jay thinking "Now Tim's drawn into this, and he started it in the first place, what can I do to keep him in College Town while I disappear in the same way that Jessica did?" As I say, not too likely given the plot and character development so far, but it would lead to some awesome changes in direction.)
3) Hoody/totheark put them there for Jay to find, and they've only been sitting there for a few days/weeks. This is, I think, more likely, but then it must rely on some plan to make Jay/Tim find the tapes, and relying on someone tripping over the hole seems a little farfetched to me. Maybe they relied on either Jay or Tim would remember the distortion coming from the hole, and just got lucky with the stumble. Maybe that's the most likely explanation.
4) ??? Something else entirely. Someone suggested the operator tripped Jay up at the right point, but that doesn't seem right.

So yeah, don't take it too seriously. It's just speculation backed up with some dodgy behaviour on Jay's part. It doesn't require any reinterpretation of anything before Entry #69, and doesn't contradict anything else in the series. It's just one interpretation of the entry, to account for a) the unlikeliness of Jay stumbling upon the one place where Alex hid tapes from nearly a decade ago and b) the apparent hallucinations of Jay which could in fact be him deceiving Tim to make him more paranoid. If Jay is finally being Alexified we could be in for an interesting set of entries ahead of us! I'll stop rambling about it now. I just wanted to clear up what I thought were some misunderstandings of what I said a few pages ago. If everyone else still thinks it's dumb then... it's probably dumb.

Whatever the case there is still the issue of the Entry #51 tape. Why did Alex keep this one secret? What's the deal with the Entry #22 tape? Did Alex come to the red tower (maybe against his will) and burn everything he had with him except the one from Entry #22 for future use? Was Entry #51 in his camera, so he forgot to burn it with the rest?

Was hoping to see more at the gazebo. There was so much distortion there in Entry #5 and yet we saw nothing interesting this time.

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KTsteve wrote:
The only real question... dafaq is that fountain thing? I saw it asked earlier where it was seen, but there were no answer. Like was it in a previous entry and I just missed it?


If you mean the thing at 2:54, it appeared in Entry #13, at 1:02.
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aidansean wrote:

1) Alex burned the tapes there 7 years ago and they have been undisturbed until Jay derped into them. To me this is a total contradiction- they can't be so well hidden that nobody disturbs them, and yet so accessible that someone who isn't even looking for them can find them.


I don't think you understand what a "total contradiction" is.
It's nowhere near impossible, it's simply unlikely.
They're not "so accessible that anybody can find them".
They found them because of dumb luck.

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Serum wrote:
Lithp wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
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It'll be the Entry I've Been Waiting For when The Operator actually attacks someone.


He beat seven months out of Jay in entry 52.


Heh.



I'm still not totally sure the Operator attacked Jay in 52, it looked to me like Jay, in a fit of rage, thought "fuck it" and charged the Tall Man, thinking maybe he could fight him as long as he kept the camera on him or that perhaps the Operator was vulnerable to physical attacks which as far was we know-- he might be (unfortunately he's very quick, so we may never know).


It seemed to me like TO "sucked" Jay towards him.

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While I personally feel like the "Alex burned the tapes and left them there for 7 years" theory is what was being implied in the video itself, there seems to me to be another possibility that (to my knowledge) no one's brought up yet regarding the idea that Jay put the tapes there. After enttry #37 was posted, Jay apparently woke up near the Red Tower. It is possible that they could be tapes from the missing seven months that, for some reason, Jay tried to destroy and left there and then forgot about it just like he forgot about everything else that happened during that time (getting to the Tower, possibly uploading enttry #37). It's also possible that the tapes might be the source of enttry #37.

I'm not really sure what else to say about this, and as I mentioned first of all, I think it's kind of unlikely that's what's going to happen. But I didn't see that anyone else had mentioned it, so I just thought I'd bring up the possibility for the off-chance that it doesn't turn out to be wrong.

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ChaosGamma wrote:
While I personally feel like the "Alex burned the tapes and left them there for 7 years" theory is what was being implied in the video itself, there seems to me to be another possibility that (to my knowledge) no one's brought up yet regarding the idea that Jay put the tapes there. After enttry #37 was posted, Jay apparently woke up near the Red Tower. It is possible that they could be tapes from the missing seven months that, for some reason, Jay tried to destroy and left there and then forgot about it just like he forgot about everything else that happened during that time (getting to the Tower, possibly uploading enttry #37). It's also possible that the tapes might be the source of enttry #37.

I'm not really sure what else to say about this, and as I mentioned first of all, I think it's kind of unlikely that's what's going to happen. But I didn't see that anyone else had mentioned it, so I just thought I'd bring up the possibility for the off-chance that it doesn't turn out to be wrong.


Now THAT is an interesting probability. Though since that event (where Jay suddenly woke up near the Red Tower area) was purely mentioned only in the Twitter account and never (that I remember) talked about in the entries is what makes it seem unlikely.

But I think the implications are kind of neat. Though we'd be able to tell if the tapes are tapes that Jay recorded during the 7 month gap as he was genre savvy enough to put some kind of number system on them (or just less stupid than Alex with his ton of unmarked tapes, seriously how was he going to look for specific footage in that mess).

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