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I brought this up before, but nobody seemed to acknowledge it, but remember how we've discussed the possibility of time travel? The most noticeable incident in the one entry where Jay keeps going in and out of the same room in that house and it keeps going from night to day?

What if the tapes are from the future, and someone, whether it's Alex or Jay or Tim, at some point in the future, went back in time and burned them badly and left them in the holes and that's why they gave off the static in the infamous entry where Jay points his camera at the spooky hole?

Or, weirder yet, the tapes could be from an alternate universe, where Alex succeeded in burning them, but included in this collection are tapes we've yet to see, either because they were corrupted in this universe or because Alex withheld them from Jay due to their... unusual content?

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I dunno, we had time distortion when Jay ran through those doors in Brian's house, and it changed from day to night very quickly, but I think the characters travelling into the past is kind of a stretch. Plus, if someone from the future did burn those tapes, they'd already know that Tim and Jay would find them anyway.

The footage being an alternate reality version of the footage we've all seen already seems unlikely to.

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Alright, I'm a bit late to the game on this one, but what the hell.

I kind of like the idea of Jay having put the tapes there. Obviously it's completely speculation. It struck me as a possibility since Jay seemed a little... off? Did anybody else feel that way about him this Entry, or am I just confusing regular derpy Jay for something else?

If he did put them there, I guess it wouldn't necessarily be a conscious thing, or anything he'd remember, though I suppose if the footage is actually from the college Marble Hornets movies and/or of TO eating/maiming/killing/ raping someone it'll be more likely Alex was the one to put them there.

The prospect of Jay being an unreliable narrator has always kind of intrigued me. Here we have this guy who goes around chasing someone he lost contact with years ago and the tall faceless fellow who follows him around, asks a whole bunch of old friends questions that seem to dig up old memories, and he doesn't seem to have a lot of motivation, does he? Idk. I would definitely feel satisfied if it turned out to be even somewhat true, but we'll see.

On that note, wouldn't all this really be Jay's fault? As far as we can see, before he started snooping through the tape and bringing up old problems, everyone involved, seemed to be doing pretty well. Except the dead ones, but we'll just ignore that. Again, Idk.

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Tim's Suttonchops wrote:
On that note, wouldn't all this really be Jay's fault? As far as we can see, before he started snooping through the tape and bringing up old problems, everyone involved, seemed to be doing pretty well. Except the dead ones, but we'll just ignore that. Again, Idk.


See I don't buy into Alex's and Tim's assertion that Jay is the cause of their current woes. It's Alex's fault for doing these things in the first place then giving the tapes to Jay, and the Operator's fault for Operating on peeps in the first place. Jay did what any curious/concerned friend with nerves of steel and no gun would do in season 1.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
Tim's Suttonchops wrote:
On that note, wouldn't all this really be Jay's fault? As far as we can see, before he started snooping through the tape and bringing up old problems, everyone involved, seemed to be doing pretty well. Except the dead ones, but we'll just ignore that. Again, Idk.


See I don't buy into Alex's and Tim's assertion that Jay is the cause of their current woes. It's Alex's fault for doing these things in the first place then giving the tapes to Jay, and the Operator's fault for Operating on peeps in the first place. Jay did what any curious/concerned friend with nerves of steel and no gun would do in season 1.


I guess so, yeah. But I certainly agree with them in some sense. He may have been doing what a concerned friend would, but he is the reason this started up again, justified or no. Maybe ''fault'' isn't a good word, but I can't think of anything else.

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I still disagree with the notion that there was time travel in entry 23. It appears darker downstairs because the front door, where light was coming in, is now shut.

Plus, we haven't seen any instances of time travel since then. If it was time travel, I'm inclined to believe it was a scraped idea. Time travel would really deteriorate things in this series IMO, teleportation is bad enough. It would make things too unrealistic

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I still disagree with the notion that there was time travel in entry 23. It appears darker downstairs because the front door, where light was coming in, is now shut.

Plus, we haven't seen any instances of time travel since then. If it was time travel, I'm inclined to believe it was a scraped idea. Time travel would really deteriorate things in this series IMO, teleportation is bad enough. It would make things too unrealistic


Well, while I agree that it is unrealistic, it was odd that Jay kept going in and out of the same room over and over again-- as if he was trapped in some sort of spatial anomaly. Whether or not it was truly time travel is still up for debate, though I'm not ruling it out, entirely.

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I'll agree that a time distortion, i.e., time not progressing for the characters in tandem with the rest of the world, was possible when Jay was trapped going through doors that didn't lead where they were supposed to. However, we've had absolutely no evidence that time travel was ever part of this series.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
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Most of their conversation is covered up by distortion, and it's unclear if Alex knew about the MH channel yet at that point.


I think we can safely assume he did know, seeing as how he bothered to send Jay that tape in entry 26 in the first place, the footage on which would mean nothing to Jay without having watched Alex's previous tapes, and also knew that Jay was staying at hotels instead of his house.


If Alex did know about the MH channel that early, I can't help but wonder why he waited 7 months to try and kill Jay. And entry 26 showed a young man and his girlfriend getting attacked by a mysterious stranger, I think that would mean something to anyone who watched it regardless of what they knew about the situation.

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
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Most of their conversation is covered up by distortion, and it's unclear if Alex knew about the MH channel yet at that point.


I think we can safely assume he did know, seeing as how he bothered to send Jay that tape in entry 26 in the first place, the footage on which would mean nothing to Jay without having watched Alex's previous tapes, and also knew that Jay was staying at hotels instead of his house.


If Alex did know about the MH channel that early, I can't help but wonder why he waited 7 months to try and kill Jay. And entry 26 showed a young man and his girlfriend getting attacked by a mysterious stranger, I think that would mean something to anyone who watched it regardless of what they knew about the situation.


I don't know if I'd say they were attacked, as someone who wasn't familiar with the situation could take that tape entirely out of context-- they might not have any idea what's going on. All they'd see are two young people freaking out at a tall guy in a business suit.

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Herp De Derp More Tapes.

God I'm upset at this entry.

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Serum wrote:
I brought this up before, but nobody seemed to acknowledge it, but remember how we've discussed the possibility of time travel? The most noticeable incident in the one entry where Jay keeps going in and out of the same room in that house and it keeps going from night to day?

What if the tapes are from the future, and someone, whether it's Alex or Jay or Tim, at some point in the future, went back in time and burned them badly and left them in the holes and that's why they gave off the static in the infamous entry where Jay points his camera at the spooky hole?

Or, weirder yet, the tapes could be from an alternate universe, where Alex succeeded in burning them, but included in this collection are tapes we've yet to see, either because they were corrupted in this universe or because Alex withheld them from Jay due to their... unusual content?





Idk man, i really hope that there is more supernatural content to this....but i really don't expect it. I'm kinda hoping that there was some time travel in this. And acttually, to me it's kinda what it seemed like was happening. Jay kinda has no idea what is going on....and neither do we.
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I still disagree with the notion that there was time travel in entry 23. It appears darker downstairs because the front door, where light was coming in, is now shut.


No, you're still ignoring the upstairs windows which get progressively darker until no light comes through them in a matter of minutes of Jay going from room to room. Plus, your front door explanation doesn't even make sense, because the back door, which is broad glass screen, is what lets in the majority of the natural light on the bottom floor, not the front door.

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It would make things too unrealistic


Actually, the time travel we've seen so far, where a moment passes for Jay while significantly more time passes for everything else, is theoretically possible, so it isn't unrealistic relative to what else we've seen in the show. Quite the opposite, considering.

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I'll agree that a time distortion, i.e., time not progressing for the characters in tandem with the rest of the world, was possible when Jay was trapped going through doors that didn't lead where they were supposed to. However, we've had absolutely no evidence that time travel was ever part of this series.


This is just semantics. Whether Jay was actively warping into the future or just percieving time at a faster pace due to whatever was happening to him at the moment, we don't know. What we do know is that day changed to night very quickly.

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If Alex did know about the MH channel that early, I can't help but wonder why he waited 7 months to try and kill Jay.


Probably because that wasn't his intent at first, or he genuinelly did want Jay to help him find Amy before he skee-bopped him.

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And entry 26 showed a young man and his girlfriend getting attacked by a mysterious stranger, I think that would mean something to anyone who watched it regardless of what they knew about the situation.


It wouldn't mean "Follow the return adress instead of going to the police" to anyone except Jay. Plus, he also knew that Jay was hotel-hopping, meaning he had been following Jay's exploits up until that point.

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Serum wrote:
pravado wrote:
I still disagree with the notion that there was time travel in entry 23. It appears darker downstairs because the front door, where light was coming in, is now shut.

Plus, we haven't seen any instances of time travel since then. If it was time travel, I'm inclined to believe it was a scraped idea. Time travel would really deteriorate things in this series IMO, teleportation is bad enough. It would make things too unrealistic


Well, while I agree that it is unrealistic, it was odd that Jay kept going in and out of the same room over and over again-- as if he was trapped in some sort of spatial anomaly. Whether or not it was truly time travel is still up for debate, though I'm not ruling it out, entirely.



Time travel is traveling in space AND time. we only really have evidence of anyone ever traveling through space. Tim in entry 65, Alex in entry 44, Jay in entry 52, and the operator when a screen tear occurs (i still think everything points to screen tear = operator teleporting into the area. every instance fits)

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