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Teedub
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Pravado's posts makes me question why I continue to lurk this forum a lot. I mean, he is such a BUZZKILL... I thought it was awesome to watch what felt like another solo-Alex MH tape. I feel like most of the fanbase probably enjoyed this one due to the season 1 feel behind it.

Can't people save their arguing or criticism for another thread? Go to the "RAGE" or "Entry quality" threads if you really want to complain. It really ruins the threads that are made for the actual entries. The negative-post clutter is really annoying.

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I liked this entry, but I can see why Pravado doesn't.

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Hazman
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SignerJ wrote:

Based on that, we then come to the question of why Alex sent Jay the tape in Entry #26. I'd say that he didn't, but rather, ToTheArk did. Not only does that fit more with TTA's general style, but it fits with the idea that Alex wanted Amy to be secret/safe. There are numerous reasons for TTA sending the tape, including just getting everyone together in one place to make tracking them easier.

But what about Alex saying that "Jay isn't hard to find"? Well, I think that is kind of bull. Not only is it insanely cryptic, but we already know that Alex is a liar. Think of it like this: If you were Jay, and then Alex told you that he didn't send the tape, would you still work with Alex? Or would you search for the person who sent you the tape? More importantly, would Alex think that Jay would do this?

That's my two cents, at least.


I was always under the impression that Alex didn't send the tape to Jay, that is was TTA/Masky/Hoody. This is due to the fact that half the sentence is missing when Alex says "...[Jay]you aren't exactly hard to find" implying that TTA found out where Jay was staying and Alex was just following TiMasky and had to make it up on the fly to get him to trust him. That said, why would Tim be at an abandoned house, (aside from being at Brian's house multiple times), other than to wait for Jay cause he was the one who sent the tape, rather than Alex. Alex could be saying that Tim could of got Jay if he didn't turn up. Cause Alex knew that Tim was hiding out in that building. Tim might of been trying to help Jay and warn him about Alex, but Alex arriving made him go masky mode and jump Alex to stop him but Alex got the better of him with Jay's help as Jay was completely oblivious who was the 'good' guy at that point.

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Another entry, another thread with people bitching about Pravado having his own opinion. Confused

I enjoyed this entry, liked the classic Season 1 feel to it.

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Oransel
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This was a good entry. We have found out more insight into Alex actions and the picture is getting more and more clear.

Note that timeline will never be complete or absolutely accurate because of Alex and Jay editing, burning tapes or just plain unreleasing most of the tapes. Even with tentative timeline which is accurate for the most part, it has a lot of problems with original MH 2006 events. #54, #2, #12 and #54 are especially problematic. My personal timeline is little different from tentative one:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
*preparations for the shooting of film begin*
Theory (possible entry missing): something attracts The Operator to Marble Hornets, first encounter
#5 - They scout area, TO is watching from distance
#17 - They are in safety of the house, TO continues watching and experiments with memory wiping
#20 - Tim gets worse from hidden exposition to TO, memories wiped again
#54 - Another assault on Alex's house, probably TO made open exposure to check reaction and wipes the memories
*shootings begin*
#12 - TO decides to make open appearance, but does not wipe memories, probably hides before anyone can understand he is not human
#2 - Alex decides to check for this tall guy because he saw him earlier
Theory (possible entry missing): something happens, which leads Alex to pursue of TO to the playground
#4 - playground scene
#55 - Tim mentions Rosswood
#70 - Alex follows TO demanding him to stop stalking
#13 - TO continues to attack
#7 - Alex abandons any thought on fighting TO
#3 - Alex gets paranoid
#9, #8, #1, #6, #10, #11, #14 - more stalking and paranoia
Theory (possible entry missing): TO succeeds in breaking Alex's spirit, Alex has blood on his face
*near the end of the film shooting*
#56 - bye, Tim
#57 - more Tim suffer
#51 - bye, Brian
#22 - bye, Seth
Theory (possible entry missing): Alex does something to Sarah and Jay
*Alex decides to burn tapes and leave College Town*
*Jay convinces Alex to give him tapes, Alex burns those mentioning Amy*
*Alex leaves College Town*


P.S. I checked "double Operator" and it's just a blick on camera lense, check and follow it since 4:36

P.S.S. Ignore Pravado, like I do Wink

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Tekyro
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To those talking about the "double operator":

It's just the way the white blob (which I assume is from lens flare) moves with the camera until it's above a black space between trees. See here.

Frame by frame .gif of how I see it happening

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Alfons Grass
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Alex protecting Amy

I haven't really thought this through yet, but anyway:

Maybe everything strange and malicious Alex has done has been him trying to protect Amy. He is very paranoid and maybe even delusional, so he might do anything to protect the one person he truly cares about.

Maybe he has Amy in a place he considers safe and does not want anyone to find out where, so that no-one would lead TO to her. Maybe he "got rid of" everyone involved with the Marble Hornets so that they would not follow him when he moved to where Amy lived. And maybe someone else (TTA?) sent the tape to Jay and after seeing that Jay knows about Amy and is coming to look for them, he decided to distract Jay to keep him away from her. This would also be the reason he lied to Jessica about finding Amy. And the reason he seems to be working with or for TO would be because he wants TO to focus on himself to draw attention away from Amy.

I do admit that this theory is based on a lot of assumptions and guesses and very little fact. Smile

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Re: Alex protecting Amy

Alfons Grass wrote:
I haven't really thought this through yet, but anyway:

Maybe everything strange and malicious Alex has done has been him trying to protect Amy. He is very paranoid and maybe even delusional, so he might do anything to protect the one person he truly cares about.

Maybe he has Amy in a place he considers safe and does not want anyone to find out where, so that no-one would lead TO to her. Maybe he "got rid of" everyone involved with the Marble Hornets so that they would not follow him when he moved to where Amy lived. And maybe someone else (TTA?) sent the tape to Jay and after seeing that Jay knows about Amy and is coming to look for them, he decided to distract Jay to keep him away from her. This would also be the reason he lied to Jessica about finding Amy. And the reason he seems to be working with or for TO would be because he wants TO to focus on himself to draw attention away from Amy.

I do admit that this theory is based on a lot of assumptions and guesses and very little fact. Smile


Going off this theory, maybe Amy is (in) the Ark.

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Ligonater
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It is not surprising that Alex knew Amy before all this happened. From what we gather he was living with her at the time she found the camera. If there were to have just met their relationship would have moved along pretty quickly to get to the point of having a house together. (not that it isn't possible, just less likely)

I don't think there is much meaning we can really pull from Alex lying to Amy other than he never told her about the Operator. (which again is obvious based on her reaction when it showed up at her house) It isn't really out of character for Alex to not tell his girlfriend he is wondering around the woods at night. Sometime guys just like to freedom to not explain everything and cause girlfriends to worry.

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evanx275h
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I really hate coming to the forums to see that there's a new (good, at that) Entry, some great discussion with both positive and negative (respectable, mind you) feedback, you know, like adults, and a few pages in I see this bullshit:

pravado wrote:
What a load of shit. This entry was worse than fucking ameteur work.


What a heaping load of feedback, right there. I don't even read half the stuff pravado writes anymore, because even when his feedback is good, it's delivered in such a childish and "WAH I WANT WHAT I WANT THE WAY I WANT IT" way. I stopped reading this thread after page 9, because all of the "joy" I had from reading cool theories and enjoying the season 1 nostalgia was completely killed in that first sentence. Bravo, kid. Bravo.

Anyways, I might as well say what I think about the Entry.

I love the drive at the beginning. It felt like a smooth reference to Entries 4 and 2 (driving at night, followed by the park), and the confrontation with Oppy gave me nightmares last night, no joke. I'll admit, the "new" Operator (from seasons 2 and 3) looks a lot more goofy and less "natural" than season 1's. But it's something I'm used to, and hell, it still creeps me out.

Plot advancement = yes. Amy's relevance has returned and this makes me feel happy inside. The "Amy Tapes", as I saw someone very cleverly call them (I seriously like that), will hopefully have more to them in terms of Alex's motivation to do what he did throughout the series.

Great entry. I'm going to lurk over the next posts because I'd love to hear more about what other ideas people have. Because, ya know, this is how the community should work, without whining or complaining that an Entry didn't meet their expectations. [/constructivefeedback]
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Sha Noran
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I've been following MH for some time but finally felt like registering here to participate. Hi!

I specifically wanted to post rebutting the line of thinking asking why Jay never did a google search about a faceless man in a suit; actually, I do believe that the premise of the whole series started with Jay reading about Slendy on SomethingAwful and being reminded of the tapes. He's obviously aware of the Operator. I think they don't talk about him because they haven't got anything to say that isn't apparent visually in the entries, and he's an absolutely terrifying entity that would naturally be something you'd rather not talk about... Or think about.

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Re: Alex protecting Amy

Alfons Grass wrote:
Maybe he has Amy in a place he considers safe and does not want anyone to find out where, so that no-one would lead TO to her.


I have a theory that Amy's somewhere on the other side of the tunnel and that's why Alex told Jay and Tim to leave. It's also how TO gets Alex to serve him. I also think she might end up being killed at some point, at the hands of Masky, Hoody or a maskyed Jay. That will make Alex lose the last bits of his humanity.

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pravado's posts don't seem that evil to me, it's usually the posts complaining about them that are annoying Razz. I usually just like his perspective on the story.


'They're all gone' from Entry #22 didn't include Amy, so it seems Alex wasn't aware of her being nearby (even if she was). The main motivations for burning this one seem to be protecting Amy and/or covering his tracks.

Like a few others in the thread, the connection between Tim and Amy did make me more aware of the possibility that Amy is tta affiliated ever since some stuff in her childhood. This isn't really founded on much, except that from a writer's point of view it might be appealing to shine a different light on previous hoody-alex encounters - 'why are you smiling?'.


Speculative rambling ahead
In something like this were the case, I could see how he mentioned the strange man in the past and was met with strange reactions and concern - prompting him to lie this entry. Mentioning static interference, wanting to move and a person from her past that suggests abandoned locations would really ease her mind in that scenario Razz. Might even incentivise to investigate.

The 'Do you remember me' from an early tta stalking video seemed to be directed at Jay though. If he had some meaningful connection with her without Alex even knowing she was even there that probably hints at another investigation Jay did before losing memories.

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Re: Alex protecting Amy

Alfons Grass wrote:
I haven't really thought this through yet, but anyway:

Maybe everything strange and malicious Alex has done has been him trying to protect Amy. He is very paranoid and maybe even delusional, so he might do anything to protect the one person he truly cares about.

Maybe he has Amy in a place he considers safe and does not want anyone to find out where, so that no-one would lead TO to her. Maybe he "got rid of" everyone involved with the Marble Hornets so that they would not follow him when he moved to where Amy lived. And maybe someone else (TTA?) sent the tape to Jay and after seeing that Jay knows about Amy and is coming to look for them, he decided to distract Jay to keep him away from her. This would also be the reason he lied to Jessica about finding Amy. And the reason he seems to be working with or for TO would be because he wants TO to focus on himself to draw attention away from Amy.

I do admit that this theory is based on a lot of assumptions and guesses and very little fact. Smile

This is a long form version of what I speculated on Page 6, and yeah, I still think it makes sense. I wouldn't go so far as to assume he offed everybody to clear the trail, though; maybe he was just doing it in the hopes of appeasing TO through sacrifice. Who knows? Lots of possibilities. But Amy is important in some way; the entry's text and lengthy phone call pretty much beat you over the head with her importance.

Also, forget all y'all who get so mad about pravado's posts. The fact of the matter is that he practically knows the fiction like it's a Bible, so his posts are generally very well-informed and actually provide a lot of interesting back-and-forth about what information we're actually getting out of an entry. He provides a lot of rebuttals that actually really help me synthesize what's actually happening in an entry. As for OOG posts, nobody's mad at Magyk or onetruepurple for writing little more than "I liked this entry," so it seems unreasonable to be mad at pravado for writing "I hated this entry." You can disagree with the negativity, but the fact of the matter is that these threads generally get MORE well-informed and detail-oriented when pravado enters, not less. (It helps that I agree that most of S3 has been pretty middling and that S2 was pretty magnificent. S1, by the way, is the genre-defining piece, so it's ok that info is limited because it's not info that can even be conveyed with text.)

And, yeah, my defense of pravado is longer than my speculation. If you're frustrated, be frustrated with the fact that the past several entries have not provided more information to theorize about. This doesn't happen in threads for great TTA entries because there's loads of information to synthesize.

I think we've gotten pretty much everything we can out of Entry 70; Amy is important. She might be the reason for Alex's fall into madness, she might be the defining factor that defines which tapes got burned, and she might even be TTA. All of these theories are currently problematic or underinformed. Alex lies to Amy for some reason. We also know that Alex did confront TO, and that his interactions with TO may be parallel to Jay's attempts to protect/rescue Jessica. TO can teleport, confirmed (again?) There's some pareidolia in regards to a second Slenderman, but I believe it is purely pareidolia. There's some distortion that may or may not represent different things, but we've never really pulled proper information out of "types of distortion" before now. Alex may have come to the park with the intent to summon TO in the manner he did in Entry 4, or he might have gotten spooked about returning during Entry 4 after what happened here. The timeline remains fuzzy. This probably happened after Entry 2.

That's literally all the info, right? We've covered just about every moment.

(Oh, by the way, the pounding, music-like distortion when everything turned red just seemed like a Slender: The Eight Pages reference to me. And I'm sure it'll prove effective!)

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Dreveth wrote:
I'd be willing to pay to see his reaction. Very Happy
If he is indeed still alive.

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