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Sylocat
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Re: Alex protecting Amy

Little_Socrates wrote:
Also, forget all y'all who get so mad about pravado's posts. The fact of the matter is that he practically knows the fiction like it's a Bible, so his posts are generally very well-informed and actually provide a lot of interesting back-and-forth about what information we're actually getting out of an entry.
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the fact of the matter is that these threads generally get MORE well-informed and detail-oriented when pravado enters, not less.


No, actually, he isn't more well-informed. Even in this thread he is overlooking major details and ignoring several things that occurred in previous entries, just to shoehorn this entry into his predetermined opinion.

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As for OOG posts, nobody's mad at Magyk or onetruepurple for writing little more than "I liked this entry," so it seems unreasonable to be mad at pravado for writing "I hated this entry."


I don't think anyone's mad at pravado for posting "I hated this entry." We don't like him because he's insulting to people who disagree with him, and derailing this thread when he's been asked repeatedly to save it for the OOG threads.



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Is it anything in the video that is worth to analize? Since we completely lost track pages ago, i asume that we all said what needed to be said

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Pravado is sarcastic and possibly antagonistic at times, but he has been far less inflammatory to others than they have been to him in this thread. I agree with the point that if I can show up and say "I liked this entry" and nothing else, pravado should not get jumped for saying "I hated this entry."

This is sadly just the all-too-familiar story of people on unfiction White Knighting for Troy & Co. It happens like once a week. Newsflash: It is okay to say you do not like something, or do not agree with something they did. You do not have to kiss their ass all the time.

Ristar wrote:
Is it anything in the video that is worth to analize? Since we completely lost track pages ago, i asume that we all said what needed to be said


Not much that hasn't already been covered in my eyes. Maybe we'll get a follow-up TTA soon that will give us something more to chew on.

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Beidah wrote:
Now I'm wondering: back in season 2 Alex said he needed Jay's help find Amy. Now, as season 2 progressed, it seemed less and less likely that he actually cared, and was just using her disappearance as an excuse to keep Jay around til he figured out what to do with him. Now this entry has come and I'm once again wondering, does Alex really care about Amy?

And on that note, I'm back with "Alex is just as much a victim of The Operator as anyone else" camp.


I'm with the "Alex was a victim at the start" camp, but somewhere along the way he definitely made a choice.

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I feel it may be worth pointing out that while obviously OOG the content of an entry is exactly what the creators wanna feed us, IG this is theoretically only what Jay was able to get off the tape (or so he says, which you believe or not depending on whether you trust Jay). It could be that the tape was burned because of footage that WASN'T recovered; possibly a spacetime warping adventure ala Tim's in #65 (I think that's the one) after touching TO? Or any number of things more dramatic than a white lie to a booty call that lives in a different city and a typical TO sighting which he routinely did not burn as evidenced by S1 basically.

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Sha Noran wrote:
I feel it may be worth pointing out that while obviously OOG the content of an entry is exactly what the creators wanna feed us, IG this is theoretically only what Jay was able to get off the tape (or so he says, which you believe or not depending on whether you trust Jay). It could be that the tape was burned because of footage that WASN'T recovered; possibly a spacetime warping adventure ala Tim's in #65 (I think that's the one) after touching TO? Or any number of things more dramatic than a white lie to a booty call that lives in a different city and a typical TO sighting which he routinely did not burn as evidenced by S1 basically.


It would be stupid if we can't even trust the narrator of the story, there are many people out there claiming that Jay hides stuff, but that leaves us doubting all our theories

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Ristar, I'll grant you that. Though its possible that J is an unreliable narrator, I don't buy it. Aside from that just being really weak, it would be an easy cop out for every plot hole for who I consider to be more competant storytellers than that.

That however does not comment on the fact that the tape may have been burned for footage that was not recovered. What we see is an interesting insight into Alex's early TO issues and of course an Amy reveal, but my point is, just because we are interested with the info that we got doesn't make it the reason the tapes were burned. Perhaps upcoming entries will address that more bluntly.

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Ristar wrote:
Is it anything in the video that is worth to analize? Since we completely lost track pages ago, i asume that we all said what needed to be said


At this point, those of us ignoring both pravado and the replies to pravado are having a back-and-forth over the theories that have already been raised, regarding where in the timeline this goes, Amy's role in events, and the relationship between Alex's and Jay's arcs... the latter of which I find quite interesting.

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Sylocat wrote:
Ristar wrote:
Is it anything in the video that is worth to analize? Since we completely lost track pages ago, i asume that we all said what needed to be said


At this point, those of us ignoring both pravado and the replies to pravado are having a back-and-forth over the theories that have already been raised, regarding where in the timeline this goes, Amy's role in events, and the relationship between Alex's and Jay's arcs... the latter of which I find quite interesting.
It does hint that Jay may soon go crazy and turn on everyone close to him. Poor Tim, if that happens since it will be at least the second time this happens to him.

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You know, the parallels they're drawing between Jay and Alex may not necessarily be implying that Jay will become evil. It could just be showing that Alex was once good like Jay is.

Alex lying about being at home seems weird to me. If he didn't want Amy to know he was going to the park for some reason he could have just said he was driving home. Why was he so intent on keeping Amy from realizing he was driving? It seems like just saying he was on his way home would have been a convincing enough lie...

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Was I the only one who thought that, when it became clear Alex was lying about where he was, that he was driving up to Amy's to kill her? Even though that makes no sense?

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There are two reasons I can think of that Alex would burn tapes related to Amy.

1. He didn't want anyone to realize that he had gone to live with her.

2. Since TO seems so connected to cameras, perhaps he thought burning any footage of Amy, even her voice, would protect her from TO.

If either of these reasons are the case, then Alex's actions could actually start to make a little more sense. For example, why did Alex get rid of Tim, Seth, Brian, etc? The popular theory was that he was sacrificing them to TO for some reason. But perhaps the real reason was that after he realized the true nature of TO he wanted to get away from everything related to TO and go be with Amy. In order to do that he decided to bump off everyone he knew who had been involved with TO and who might follow Alex and start it all up again. Basically he got rid of them all to ensure his own and Amy's happiness. Why he gave Jay the tapes doesn't really fit in, but I suppose he could have been hoping TO might stalk Jay instead?

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
You know, the parallels they're drawing between Jay and Alex may not necessarily be implying that Jay will become evil. It could just be showing that Alex was once good like Jay is.

Alex lying about being at home seems weird to me. If he didn't want Amy to know he was going to the park for some reason he could have just said he was driving home. Why was he so intent on keeping Amy from realizing he was driving? It seems like just saying he was on his way home would have been a convincing enough lie...
Maybe, knowing what he was trying to do he realized his life was in danger and he didn't want her following him. It makes sense if he's protecting her by saying that if he turns up dead, he doesn't want her following him.

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But if he was trying to keep Amy from becoming suspicious, I'd think it would be more convincing to just say that he was driving home, since Amy told him she could hear his car. Lying about being at home already probably just made her suspicious. If he had just told her that he was on his way home he could have kept his true intentions hidden while avoiding arousing her suspicions.

On an unrelated note, I don't see how Seth helping Alex go over the footage means that Seth was the editor. That seems like a pretty big assumption there. Even Seth's supposed position as camera man seems a little sketchy to me considering that half the time someone else is working the camera. In entry 7 it was Alex, in entry 12 it was some unidentified girl, in entry 54 it was Tim, in entry 17 it was just set up on a tripod, and in entry 20 it could have been anyone. Entry 9 is the only entry I can think of where we know for a fact that Seth was working the camera. It kind of just seems to me like Alex just used anyone who was available and there was no single person who was the designated camera man. Also, since Jay is the only one we know for a fact was also majoring in film and has editing skills, it seems more likely to me that Jay edited videos, if Alex himself didn't.

On another unrelated note, I don't really think Jay is going to become evil. First because i think it would be kind of lame if Trosephim used the same plot twist twice. Two, there's still two really major differences between Jay and Alex.

1. Jay's willingness to put himself in danger to help others and find the truth. Jay really has no reason to continue this investigation and is only doing it for Jessica's sake at this point. Alex on the other hand seems to have run away at the first opportunity and doesn't even seem to care about finding Amy anymore.

2. Their relationship with the operator. TO actively stalked Alex and showed up at his house and the MH set multiple times. With Jay on the other hand, TO only seems to go after him when Jay is doing something that endangers Alex or when Jay is getting close to something important. Other than that TO seems to pretty much leave Jay alone.

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Well, Troy is a lot shorter than Joseph.


You just ruined my life.

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