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EmeraldWind
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hachiman wrote:
Tim Wright?


Ace Attorney: Tim Wright
Cause how can it be wrong when I'm Wright?

Either way, I think the case of Alex can run either way.
I mean we've seen him as a victim, but we've also seen him as an attacker.

But I think he attacks against his will during the scene when he kills that guy in the tunnel. His whispering "don't follow me" seems to me like he's trying to warn anyone who might try to follow him... but he can't say it out loud (loud enough to be heard by the person)...sort of like his jaw was clamped shut and he was speaking through his teeth.

I find it scarier if Alex is being used against his will and is aware of it. I mean Tim doesn't remember the things Masky did... but Alex seems to somewhat remember the things he does. Perhaps Tim's mental illness actually made him less desirable as a proxy for the Operator because of this.

Sort of like... the Operator feeds off the despair of its victims. It pushes them to become something they are not and forces them to do things they don't want to do. Masky takes the fun out of manipulating Tim.

Alex probably seemed like a perfect target. Alex had a girlfriend, nice house, some friends, good life, and was working on his first film project. He was happy and content. Then the Operator latched to him. It took away each of those things. It made his house unsafe to live in. Took away his friends one at a time. Ruined his film project. Then finally took his girlfriend.

Stripped of all he liked about life... what was left?

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Hazman
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hachiman wrote:
Tim Wright?


I had a teacher at school who was Tim Wright. [/realisation]

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Lithp
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 		I just find mind control to be a hackneyed cliche that is impossible to take seriously.

"Don't need to give this character a motive, I'll just say he's under mind control."

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Grumplestiltskin
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Lithp wrote:
I just find mind control to be a hackneyed cliche that is impossible to take seriously.

"Don't need to give this character a motive, I'll just say he's under mind control."


You're just saying that because you're a proxy.

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EmeraldWind
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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Lithp wrote:
I just find mind control to be a hackneyed cliche that is impossible to take seriously.

"Don't need to give this character a motive, I'll just say he's under mind control."


You're just saying that because you're a proxy.


Well, I wasn't thinking of simple mind control where the Operator controls someone's thoughts. I was thinking of body override where the Operator controls the body, but mind is fully aware of what their body is doing and can't stop it.

That also doesn't necessarily mean that Alex has no motive for all his crimes. For example, the whole event with the gun at the end of S2 could have been Alex trying to protect himself. So it doesn't have to be black and white.

It also could be along the lines that maybe the Operator only had Alex attack people he had a reason to. Like maybe the Operator put a damper on Alex's inhibitions towards attacking other people. Alex would get the impulse to attack, but instead of ignoring it like a normal person he would eventually attack them. But then Alex would question why he would do something like that.

There's quite a few different ways to make the mind control thing work. Its only really cliched if the mind controlled person ends up being able to return to a normal life and all the blame gets shuffled to the controller. Even worse if there's a power of friendship moment that breaks them free of control.

But if you start to explore the psychological implications of such an event. The effect it has on the individual and how it changes them. Then you start to break the cliche a bit. Even more so if the mind control didn't really cause the person to do anything they didn't want to do deep down. Like say, if a hypnotist has a person under and tells them to kill someone. Generally, they say that you can't have a person do something they would not do, but what if the person under control does kill someone? Doesn't that mean on some level they wanted to kill?

It can be quite the interesting story device if you use it in ways that most stories never bother to. Actually any cliche can be given new life by exploring into it, challenging the general assumptions, or putting a unique spin on it.

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Lithp
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 		This is where I distinguish between "mind control" & "More Than Mind Control." I don't mind MTMC. In fact, some of my favorite plotlines use it.

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Andy_Sixx
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 		Hey long time lurker, first time poster. This is a bit off-subject but is entry 70 not working for anyone else? It won't seem to play for me or any of my friends.

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ReeseSparrow
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 		I don't buy mind control as a murder defense. I mean come on, everyone has thought of brutally murdering an ex girlfriend or highschool teacher before, but not everyone is weak enough to give in. QED had Alex had a stronger willpower then he wouldn't even if he had been mind controlled.
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That is completely normal though right?
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gazza
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Andy_Sixx wrote:
Hey long time lurker, first time poster. This is a bit off-subject but is entry 70 not working for anyone else? It won't seem to play for me or any of my friends.


Just tried it, still works for me.

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ZargggModerator
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 		Guys, you're getting really off-topic here.

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Teedub
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 		Alrighty then... *tries to think of something to talk about from Entry #70...*

So... Uh... That road that Alex was driving along. It was nice. Yeah

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Ztakk
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 		Anyone else see that 35 MPH speed limit sign? It seemed Alex was going faster than 35 mph!!! He was speeding!

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Teedub
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 		Yeah, seemed like he might have even hit 40 for a minute! How incosiderate to others. This tape must take place after Alex became an ass.

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abcetc
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ReeseSparrow wrote:
everyone has thought of brutally murdering an ex girlfriend or highschool teacher before


UHHHHM, I haven't...

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missingnocchi
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abcetc wrote:
ReeseSparrow wrote:
everyone has thought of brutally murdering an ex girlfriend or highschool teacher before


UHHHHM, I haven't...


Then you're a kissless virgin, and in junior high.

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