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edit: Blech, ignore.
It is most definitely Alex, after Jay walks out of the room, but during the static.


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DrStevzious117
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Hmm, nah, his eyes are still there. And that's definitely Alex. I can just tell by the features and his facial hair.
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Marble Hornets wrote:
It appears there is nothing really new shown in this entry

Nothing new except for the fact that things happened in this video that Jay doesn't remember happening.

Honestly, the whole "nothing new happened" is getting fucking old. You sound like a broken record.

Spritey wrote:
I guess if the Operator can erase your memory, there's no reason he shouldn't be able to alter it as well.

There's not really much to alter. Eventually, Jay got in his car and left. All the Operator had to do was remove the memory of Alex attacking Jay before that.

Oscar Langley wrote:
What if Alex did take the tapes back only for Hoody to sneak them into Jay's closet 3 years later?

An interesting theory, though there really isn't much to support it yet. I would substitute "Hoody" with "TTA," however, since there is still not enough of a consensus on whether Pre-S1 TTA was Hoody, Masky!Tim, both, or someone else.

ThinSuit wrote:
Why do I have the feeling that jay is full of shit

Still a possibility.

@Ristar: As a suggestion, don't use TinyPic, ImageShack, or Photobucket. Img.ur is the best site for that.

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So, theory on why the tapes are unlabeled:

The cases all were originally labeled. But Alex never intended to burn the ones he gave to Jay. He was always going to give them to Jay, possibly on The Operator's orders. So, either he takes the tapes out of their little plastic cases, or just slides the labels off the cases. Voila, instantly unlabeled tapes. But he holds back the ultra-incriminating ones, because he is going to burn those.

Theory on "So why didn't Alex just take the tapes back after trying to murder Jay?" :

So, Alex and Jay ended up in a field at some point during the fight, possibly teleported there. The Operator takes Jay, but now Alex either has to walk or drive home. In the time it takes Alex to get there, Oppy drops Jay off by his car, because for some reason Oppy wants Jay to take the tapes. Jay, not remembering what happened beyond unease over the tapes, gets in his car and heads off before Alex gets home.
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elford
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Is this Alex moving to live with Amy?
He doesn't tell Jay, but if it is when he moves in w/ Amy then that is probably to protect her.
But, here is what I'm thinking over today : In 70, Alex tells Amy they might shoot some stuff for MH. So, by the time he is moving out to go live with her, (if that is what he's doing here) he will have to tell her why he has given up shooting his movie, and even given up his camera, as she doesn't know he had one.
Did he do this amnesia bit to Amy so she would forget too, and to try and protect her from The Operator? And maybe the camera was a little gift from Hoody, not Alex just having it around.

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About Jay filling in the blanks of his own memory this could happen. It's a psychological thing where if you remember a part of a memory, your brain will fill in the blanks using "schema". Schema are scenarios your brain has created using your own experience, and vicarious experience into an idea of what you would do, or what would have most logically happened.

So to be honest, most of MH could be schema, and the camera is the only truth.

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On the subject of the distortion in #22 and #71 being similar: not only the "melted" faces are. I also found this:

The #71 screenshot is from 4:26, right before we see Alex on top of Jay. There are about 7 frames with this kind of distortion.
The #22 one is from when Seth has just fallen onto the floor.
Similar distortion = similar events?

And another thing: the description of the video is "Another burned tape". Does that suggest that there are still more? I'm not sure because I'm not a native English speaker. What do you think?
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TheMoldyPudding wrote:
Watching this entry inspired me to go and rewatch the Introduction video. I just want to point out that the attention to detail is amazing.

I would also like to point out that all of Alex's tapes were unlabeled. Of course we have known this since the beginning of the series as it actually says it in the Introduction video, but as we learn more about Alex's transformation, it starts to make less sense. If they (Alex, and now Jay) are experiencing memory loss and rely on the tapes to help them remember correctly, why wouldn't they label the tapes? Because Jay wasn't able to put together a clear timeline and we have been trying to do the same, but it has proven difficult.
Say Alex ran into the Operator and lost a few days of memory, how would he know which tapes he had recently filmed?

I feel very nitpicky right now, but it doesn't make any sense.
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This could be answered with a simple, "BECAUSE PLOT NEEDS TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!one!!" But I don't know if I like that answer.


Maybe they didn't feel the need to. I mean, if I was missing a chunk of memory (like say a couple days or whatever) but had tapes. I could probably piece where in my life the tapes took place. The obvious exception to this would be Jay and the 7 months he lost, but that 7 months is also the largest memory wipe we've seen (or know of) The only reason everything seems messed up timeline wise is we have very little context of when stuff happens.

Arizona wrote:
(after all, he can't use Alex as effectively if Alex is in prison)... or the Operator WANTS him to do it, and might even be MAKING him do it.


Ehh, TO can use Alex no matter where he is. I don't think a prison would prevent TO from taking Alex somewhere. Only way Alex would be able to get away from TO is if he was dead.

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So I just watched this and I had an idea. What if this is Alex "planting" something to make jay forget. It works slowly at first. Altering the memory and then starts erasing memories. Also I think Alex wanted jay involved considering he put the tapes in the wardrobe seconds before jay comes

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So Alex has been beating Jay up in the past and letting The Operator mindfuck him to make him forget about stuff? (I'm assuming our slender friend mindwiped Jay that night even if we didn't clearly see it since we had that distortion when Alex was filming the KOd Jay and The Operator is known to be able to make people forget things.)

What is the nature of Alex's "deal" with The Operator? It seems as Alex himself is afraid of it, even if he's willing to work together with it. Did Alex communicate with The Operator, or did he simply end up beating someone up and then noticed that it came in and mindwiped them for him, and since that he's been "feeding" people to it? The more we get to know about Alex, the more fucked up he seems to be.

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Beidah wrote:
Der Wafflehaus wrote:
Entry 26 and 71. Same box?

The box is the ark.


I like how this post got ignored, despite making a lot of sense:

Meaningful name: The box is an ark (ark being latin for box/container)

Character motive: TTA has reason to look for the ark, as the footage may have the answers to solve the mystery. Whether TTA knows this for sure is uncertain, but it's either way worth a look since Alex is withholding it.

Character interpretation: TTA is chasing/stalking/interrogating/talking about/ Alex, and (cryptically) telling Jay to do the same. Why? To find The Ark.

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I really, really think it isn't Jay's "sacrifice". Alex just beats Jay up. Honestly, My guess is that Jay's "sacrifice was among the tapes alex gave him, but then he remembered that and knocked him out to recover the incriminating evidence (or at least most of it), afterwards Jay returned to his home with the tapes, and forgot about that, but I don't think he really tried to kill him here, as he does with the "sacrifices".

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Alex puts 11 tapes into the box. Not that it is important right now, but I thought I'd point it out.
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Star Kindler wrote:
So, theory on why the tapes are unlabeled:

The cases all were originally labeled. But Alex never intended to burn the ones he gave to Jay. He was always going to give them to Jay, possibly on The Operator's orders. So, either he takes the tapes out of their little plastic cases, or just slides the labels off the cases. Voila, instantly unlabeled tapes. But he holds back the ultra-incriminating ones, because he is going to burn those.

Theory on "So why didn't Alex just take the tapes back after trying to murder Jay?" :

So, Alex and Jay ended up in a field at some point during the fight, possibly teleported there. The Operator takes Jay, but now Alex either has to walk or drive home. In the time it takes Alex to get there, Oppy drops Jay off by his car, because for some reason Oppy wants Jay to take the tapes. Jay, not remembering what happened beyond unease over the tapes, gets in his car and heads off before Alex gets home.


(Long time reader, first time poster) I had a similar notion as far as the tapes are concerned. The first shot seems to very clearly indicate that Alex specifically separated those tapes- presumably the ones he burned and buried, plus the tower one and the one he kept in his new apartment- from the tapes in the attic. Also, Alex's behavior before Jay arrives is odd- it seems he is clearly waiting for Jay; I think Alex knew Jay would ask about Marble Hornets, and in some capacity or another planned on giving the tapes to Jay. It would then appear that he changed his mind, possibly due to the Operator's bidding. Alex's intention- whether he is actually on Jay's side, partially under the control of the Operator, totally under the control of the Operator, etc. is completely unknown. I just think that it's clear at the beginning of the video that Alex is separating the tapes he's okay with people (Jay) seeing from the tapes he's not okay with people seeing.

I also buy that they were transported to Rosswood or some other field, or that the final shot of Jay is in Rosswood where Alex drove him to and then left him; there seems to be a long, dark tract of land from where Jay's body is to wherever Alex is walking; he's not walking back to his driveway, that's for certain. The last shot is probably of Alex driving back to his house, having offered Jay to the Operator (whether Alex did this of his own free will is another question entirely).

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Also long time lurker (signed up on some other escapade).

From the wiki:

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There were tons of them. He grabbed a couple of plastic shopping bags and piled the tapes in and gave them to me, then shooed me out of the attic. Right as I was walking out the door, he said, in the most serious tone I've ever heard from someone, "I'm not kidding, don't ever bring this up around me again."


I noticed Jay leaving with four bags. Either not attention to detail, or Jay lost them along with memory after being roughed up by Alex.

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