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[VIDEO] Entry #71
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sunkenkraken wrote:
Long time lurker, first time poster. So far I haven't read anything (might have missed it) that connected the location of where Alex is driving at the end of 71 with where Jay was driving at the start of the Intro.

I believe they are the same location, filmed from different angles:

Note that this suggests interesting shenanigans. Since the same location was used as random B-roll footage in Intro, before Jay started watching the tapes, it's probably somewhere convenient to Jay - i.e., near Jay's apartment. He didn't live all that close to Alex - it's been quoted as about 30 minutes apart in places. It wouldn't make much sense for Alex to be driving that way if he were just going to and from an arbitrary field. So, either the end of the tape was filmed by Jay (why? how?) or Alex drove to Jay's house after the field.

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I don't know where to begin with this entry, apart from now I'm wondering if things are being set in motion for the final entries.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Jay says this isn't how he remembers things happening - is he genuinely having his head fucked with? Is he an unreliable narrator? Or is he more of a threat than we've been lead to believe this whole time? FIND OUT NEXT TIME.


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...well, we probably won't find out next time, but DUN DUN DUUUUUNNN.

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I think I've got it;
Up until Alex's trip to the hospital wit Tim, TO was solely following Alex. Who knows what he was doing with him, using him to get stuff done, gathering stuff or people for him, I don't know. Anyway, by the hospital trip, Alex is desperately trying to throw TO off him, trying to disable his "friends" and leave them where the Operator would find them, so they see him and suddenly Alex isn't the only one aware of his presence, so TO has someone else to stalk. It didn't work with Brian, Tim ran away, and who knows what happened to Seth. Que him confronting TO at the park, afterwords he decides the only way to get TO off his back is to get rid of all the evidence he has, save for what he needs to remind himself of what he did to his friends in attempt to get away. Then Jay shows up, wrong place wrong time, or Alex's plan... He gives then tapes to Jay in hope that Jay will discover evidence of TO and becoming the person with most knowledge of TO, aside from Alex. Then he incapacitates him the same way he did with the others and leaves him for TO to make him aware of him.
----Time passes.
Alex has successfully thrown TO off his trail by getting rid of the evidence, and removing everything of his former life, he even decides to "get rid of his camera" and quit filming things. TO spends this time stalking someone else, maybe Tim, or the like, until Jay rediscovers the tapes and pops back up on TO's radar.
Everything since that can be pretty well explained by Alex being paranoid and desperately doing anything he can to throw TO off his trail, even if it means killing Jay. Also some of his behavior is undoubtedly influenced by TO... not the most comprehensive theory ever, but if that's the jist of what happened, it makes sense to me, not many theories do.

TL;DR version:
The "sacrifices were attempts by Alex to get TO to follow someone other than him, while he ran away to Rosswood town.
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Star Kindler wrote:


So, Alex and Jay ended up in a field at some point during the fight, possibly teleported there. The Operator takes Jay, but now Alex either has to walk or drive home. In the time it takes Alex to get there, Oppy drops Jay off by his car, because for some reason Oppy wants Jay to take the tapes. Jay, not remembering what happened beyond unease over the tapes, gets in his car and heads off before Alex gets home.


Or maybe that field was Alex's back yard. And he didn't punch and choke Jay, stuff him in his car and drive him to a field.

Parabolas wrote:
I also buy that they were transported to Rosswood or some other field, or that the final shot of Jay is in Rosswood where Alex drove him to and then left him;


Or, again, they were just fighting in the back yard. It would make no sense for Alex to choke Jay to death (or almost death) then stuff him in his trunk, and drive for hours to get to Rosswood, then dump Jay, then drive back, and then TO feasts on Jay's brain or whatever, and then teleports him back to his car...?

What makes a whole lot more sense is that there was no teleporting or driving. Maybe Alex strangled Jay and assumed Jay was dead, then left Jay's body in his backyard for TO to take, and the driving scene was him going to burn and dump the tapes. Or maybe he drove Jay's car back home to cover it up.


Matixzun wrote:
I don't think he really tried to kill him here, as he does with the "sacrifices".

He choked him pretty violently... If that doesn't scream "I want you dead!" I don't know what does.


elford wrote:
And maybe the camera was a little gift from Hoody, not Alex just having it around.

I like this theory

I also like the theory that TTA is Jay's alter ego. It isn't that far out there. We know Tim has one, whoever is Hoody probably has one, and it is pretty clear now that there is at least one more member. And to be honest, from a plot perspective, it is glaringly obvious. The alter egos are demented versions of their normal selves, protecting them (or trying to). And in a similar way the TTA channel is a demented form of Marble Hornets channel , posting cryptic messages and distorted clips. TTA even copies Jay's style some times. This theory would explain how TTA hacks Jay (Jay forgets to sign out, it's like living with an awful roommate) It explains how TTA knows Jay started filming himself. It explains why Jay was "sleep walking". It could explain how TTA obtained some clips (took it out of Jay's big bag o' tapes used it, then didn't return it). It ALSO explains the fact that TTA is great at editing. There is no speculation "Ohhh well Seth held the tapes, he must be an editor" We know Jay is an editor and a film student. It could also show why Jay doesn't remember this fight. It wasn't Jay on the ground crawling backwards, it was his alter ego TTA, trying to protect Jay from this trauma, hell, this could have been where it all started.

And for those saying, "then why do Masky and Hoody attack Jay. Easy, they may not know Jay is TTA. If TTA is the mastermind, then he could have found them, and gathered them. He could wear a mask too (skully?) so they may not know who TTA is. Only that TTA wants them to scare Jay into action. Or TTA could even just communicate with them through phone, email, or cryptic video.

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@ Jiime_6: "Another" in this context could simply mean 'another in relation to the first burned tape.' But it's still possible that Jay might to be able to salvage some of the others that he and Tim got from the Distortion Hole.


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Jay's distorted face from 71 immediately brought this to mind... [OhCrap pic]


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For those who completed Bioshock Infinite:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I can see LOTS of direct connections in this video. Most obvious are Jay's substitute memories, possible TO dimension travel and possible non-linear timeline, of which I wrote below


matixzun wrote:
I really, really think it isn't Jay's "sacrifice". Alex just beats Jay up. Honestly, My guess is that Jay's "sacrifice was among the tapes alex gave him, but then he remembered that and knocked him out to recover the incriminating evidence (or at least most of it), afterwards Jay returned to his home with the tapes, and forgot about that, but I don't think he really tried to kill him here, as he does with the "sacrifices".


I agree completely. It is important to note that Alex is speaking of "Jay being gone" on one of the tapes he gave to Jay. Why would Alex record himself with confession, break in Jay's house and put that tape (or even edit it into another with Seth abduction) among others? Makes no sense at all. I am not even mentioning the fact that confession happened right after Seth is gone which for many reasons should have happened before Jay takes tapes

I updated my timeline for 2006 in Marble Hornets

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
*preparations for the shooting of film begin*
Theory (possible entry missing): something attracts The Operator to Marble Hornets, first encounter
#5 - They scout area, TO is watching from distance
#17 - They are in safety of the house, TO continues watching and experiments with memory wiping
#20 - Tim gets worse from hidden exposition to TO, memories wiped again
#54 - Another assault on Alex's house, probably TO made open exposure to check reaction and wipes the memories
*shootings begin*
#12 - TO decides to make open appearance, but does not wipe memories, probably hides before anyone can understand he is not human
#2 - Alex decides to check for this tall guy because he saw him earlier
Theory (possible entry missing): something happens, which leads Alex to pursue of TO to the playground
#4 - playground scene
#55 - Tim mentions Rosswood
#70 - Alex follows TO demanding him to stop stalking
#13 - TO continues to attack
#7 - Alex abandons any thought on fighting TO
#3 - Alex gets paranoid
#9, #8, #1, #6, #10, #11, #14 - more stalking and paranoia
Theory (possible entry missing): TO succeeds in breaking Alex's spirit, Alex has blood on his face
*near the end of the film shooting*
#56 - bye, Tim
#57 - more Tim suffer
#51 - bye, Brian
Theory (possible entry missing): Alex does something to Sarah
*Alex decides to burn tapes and leave College Town. He separates them on "very important" and "less important"*
#71 - Jay takes "less important" tapes, Alex attacks Jay
#22 (pt.1) - bye, Seth
#22 (pt.2) - confession
*Alex leaves College Town*


Largest questions of course are:
1) where exactly #71 can be located ("gone" or Alex just beating Jay)?
2) why Alex left Jay with two bags of tapes?

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What I'm curious about is why Alex chose to burn this particular tape. Amy wasn't mentioned on it as far as we know so she can't be the reason this time. Is it because this was the only original MH tape that actually showed Alex directly attacking someone? But why burn this tape and then keep entry 51?

Alex's attack just seems so random here. At first he seems fine, if a bit cranky, while dealing with Jay, then seconds after Jay walks out the door he leaps on him? Why?

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That's the one problem I ran into when thinking about this. Why not just take all the tapes back? If Jay's just going to forget about them anyway, then taking them back seems like a no-brainer when the alternative is to hide them in Jay's closet and basically ensure that Alex will never have the ability to remove them again, if he so desired.


I was thinking about this and I was wondering--did Alex have control over what he did?

How much of that was Slendy-driven? Was Alex under Slendy-control as he attacked Jay etc?

Ie, could Alex have only taken the incriminating tapes away because Slendy *wanted* Jay to find them eventually--wanted a new victim?

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This Jay-having-an-alter-ego-thing has got me thinking... What if Alex has got one too? And Slendy is controlling the alter ego? That would explain alot.

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
@ Jiime_6: "Another" in this context could simply mean 'another in relation to the first burned tape.' But it's still possible that Jay might to be able to salvage some of the others that he and Tim got from the Distortion Hole.

Oh, I see. Thanks for clarifying Smile
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Something else I noticed:

Jay: it's better than the alternative being all dramatic and burning it.


Entry 54

Tim: Don't look so dramatic.

Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it seems like a weird that Jay and Tim both call Alex dramatic.

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richrock wrote:
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There were tons of them. He grabbed a couple of plastic shopping bags and piled the tapes in and gave them to me, then shooed me out of the attic. Right as I was walking out the door, he said, in the most serious tone I've ever heard from someone, "I'm not kidding, don't ever bring this up around me again."


I noticed Jay leaving with four bags. Either not attention to detail, or Jay lost them along with memory after being roughed up by Alex.

Americans frequently use "a couple" to mean the same thing as "a few" (i.e., any small number more than 1).

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Did anybody notice that the scene at 4:29 is pretty similar to the one in Entry #52? In both videos Jay gets his memory wiped too

Sorry if it has been mentioned yet, not in the mood for reading through 146 posts

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
Something else I noticed:

Jay: it's better than the alternative being all dramatic and burning it.


Entry 54

Tim: Don't look so dramatic.

Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it seems like a weird that Jay and Tim both call Alex dramatic.


Well, he does have a tendency to kill people, or at least try to kill people, as a reaction. So... maybe he's just a little dramatic?
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Alrighty, so when I originally watched this, before reading all of the theories here I felt like between the distortion and whatnot that Alex handing over the tapes was an attempt to hand over the troubles with the Operator as well. That's why he's so emphatic about never wanting to hear about it again. He thinks the tapes equal the problem. He puts aside several tapes with especially incriminating evidence to burn, because as we all know, killing something with fire is the best way to get rid of it, and burning the few while leaving the majority to Jay should keep Oppy's attention on Jay, not Alex.

But then he realizes it's not enough to just hand over the tapes -- he has to give the Operator a way in. He has to beat the snot out of Jay, knock him out, and let the Operator work his magic on poor unconscious Jay. Because if just watching the tapes was enough to let the Operator in -- we'd all be infected. So he clobbers him, and then rolls him into his car, drives him home, stashes the tapes for a rainy day in his closet, and lets the rest happen, with the knowledge that he's now free because he's passed the problem on to Jay. Then he moves in with Amy, avoids all video camera contact and tries to live a normal life.

I don't know. I feel like the coughing/drowning/lack of air thing has some merit because if you can't breathe you pass out and eventually die. So maybe you have to be unconscious for the Operator to initially take hold.

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