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[VIDEO] Entry #71
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Aram
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CraicIsMighty wrote:
What I'm curious about is why Alex chose to burn this particular tape


Any number of reasons: poor framing, the camera is visible in a window reflection, the attempted murder, he was having a bad hair day...

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Drksrpnt
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 		He has several other incriminating tapes though, like the Brian sacrifice at the hospital. Why didn't he burn that?

And why didn't he burn any more tapes afterwards? It couldn't have hurt to burn the one where he killed the guy with a rock.

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Animal
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 		What is Jay saying at 2:53 before the distortion? can't make it out

Wait so...did Alex take the tapes back? How did Jay get the tapes then?

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Animal wrote:
What is Jay saying at 2:53 before the distortion? can't make it out

Wait so...did Alex take the tapes back? How did Jay get the tapes then?


"You probably shouldn't keep tapes up in the attic (without climate control?). I mean... humidity can ruin that kind of stuff if you're not careful."

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Drksrpnt wrote:
He has several other incriminating tapes though, like the Brian sacrifice at the hospital. Why didn't he burn that?

And why didn't he burn any more tapes afterwards? It couldn't have hurt to burn the one where he killed the guy with a rock.
The tapes of killing the guy with the rock was after the tape burning. He was keeping a few of them as trophies or some such, or so it seems.

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Jiime_6 wrote:
On the subject of the distortion in #22 and #71 being similar: not only the "melted" faces are. I also found this:

The #71 screenshot is from 4:26, right before we see Alex on top of Jay. There are about 7 frames with this kind of distortion.
The #22 one is from when Seth has just fallen onto the floor.
Similar distortion = similar events?

Perhaps, but in Entry #22, we were able to hear Alex call out to Seth after he fell down, showing concern.
In 71, most likely after 22, it was an assault, and I hypothesize that it was to make sure that Jay didn't bring it up to him again, and maybe made Jay forget about the tapes for 3 years.
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Ristar wrote:
DrStevzious117 wrote:
Well, I have one little thing I made for this.



The faces are very identical.


I don't know if i'm asleep or what, but Jay looks like he is doing a some sort of lion face on the first frame

Now u can't unsee that


All I see on the top picture is Jay with a mustache O.o
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ReeseSparrow wrote:
I think I've got it;
Up until Alex's trip to the hospital wit Tim, TO was solely following Alex. Who knows what he was doing with him, using him to get stuff done, gathering stuff or people for him, I don't know. Anyway, by the hospital trip, Alex is desperately trying to throw TO off him, trying to disable his "friends" and leave them where the Operator would find them, so they see him and suddenly Alex isn't the only one aware of his presence, so TO has someone else to stalk. It didn't work with Brian, Tim ran away, and who knows what happened to Seth. Que him confronting TO at the park, afterwords he decides the only way to get TO off his back is to get rid of all the evidence he has, save for what he needs to remind himself of what he did to his friends in attempt to get away. Then Jay shows up, wrong place wrong time, or Alex's plan... He gives then tapes to Jay in hope that Jay will discover evidence of TO and becoming the person with most knowledge of TO, aside from Alex. Then he incapacitates him the same way he did with the others and leaves him for TO to make him aware of him.
----Time passes.
Alex has successfully thrown TO off his trail by getting rid of the evidence, and removing everything of his former life, he even decides to "get rid of his camera" and quit filming things. TO spends this time stalking someone else, maybe Tim, or the like, until Jay rediscovers the tapes and pops back up on TO's radar.
Everything since that can be pretty well explained by Alex being paranoid and desperately doing anything he can to throw TO off his trail, even if it means killing Jay. Also some of his behavior is undoubtedly influenced by TO... not the most comprehensive theory ever, but if that's the jist of what happened, it makes sense to me, not many theories do.

TL;DR version:
The "sacrifices were attempts by Alex to get TO to follow someone other than him, while he ran away to Rosswood town.

Just read this one.
This is a pretty solid theory. Very Happy
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Drksrpnt wrote:
He has several other incriminating tapes though, like the Brian sacrifice at the hospital. Why didn't he burn that?

And why didn't he burn any more tapes afterwards? It couldn't have hurt to burn the one where he killed the guy with a rock.


The one where he killed the guy with a rock wasn't a tape, Jay found it on a hard drive, iirc.

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 		I only read the first 5-or-so pages, so if I repeat a theory that's already been said, my bad.

I think that Alex is the victim in all this, based on this Entry more than any other. Sure, he was a little irritable as he handed the tapes over to Jay (almost mirroring his attitude in Entry #9), but that's likely a result of his paranoia and fear, expressed in the first minute of the Entry (with Alex looking out the window).

I don't think that Alex is willingly obeying the Operator, but rather, I think the Operator is controlling Alex completely. His shift in "sanity", from begrudgingly giving Jay the tapes to suddenly all-out attacking him could possibly show how the Operator immediately seizes control of him, possibly because the Operator saw Jay as a good target, much like Tim, Seth, or Brian.

Speaking of which, I do think that Seth was taken last, and that the end of Entry #22 was actually shot after the beginning of it. I think that, in order, it was Tim, then Brian, Jay, and then Seth (based on the video-shown evidence, not on Sarah because there's still no mention).

In my opinion, the point of these burned tapes are to re-establish Alex as a misunderstood victim. His sincerity with Amy in Entry #70, as well as his whole "what do you want!?" freak-out in that same Entry, show that he's still confused and afraid. I this Entry, he looks normal until he suddenly snaps, out of nowhere.

A lot of points do conflict here, though.
Maybe Jay's whole "unreliability" is more relevant than we think.
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Bernie Buddy
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Jiime_6 wrote:
And another thing: the description of the video is "Another burned tape". Does that suggest that there are still more? I'm not sure because I'm not a native English speaker. What do you think?


Not exactly.
But it doesn't take away the possibility of there being another tape.

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 		Holy shit, Oransel, I was thinking the same thing: Maybe it's not that The Operator modifies memories, but that it alters time, & the memory discrepency is a side-effect of that.

Such as Jay doesn't remember being attacked because THAT Jay never WAS attacked.

I'm not sure if I buy that, it's just a thought that I had.

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 		I really hope they don't pull some "hoody is jay from the future" shennanigans. i hate the time travel aspect of things

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Marble Hornets wrote:
I really hope they don't pull some "hoody is jay from the future" shennanigans. i hate the time travel aspect of things


That wouldn't work, the way I was thinking. The Operator would merely replace Old Jays with New Jays.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Although the antagonist of Bioshock Infinite WAS the protagonist, so there's that.


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Lithp wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
I really hope they don't pull some "hoody is jay from the future" shennanigans. i hate the time travel aspect of things


That wouldn't work, the way I was thinking. The Operator would merely replace Old Jays with New Jays.


I think it would make absolutely no sense if they introduced time travel in so late in the series. TT and EMH have time/dimension travel, and that's always been a feature, MH has only had a bit of dimensional tweaking throughout.
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