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BranRainey
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Clearly the purpose of this entry was to show how Alex got a chance to steal Jay's car for a bit, thus explaining why it was parked outside Brian's house in entry #6. Razz

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aidansean
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Several thoughts, in no particular order, and of varying degrees of seriousness:

Thanks to whoever pointed out the 11 tapes! I counted 11 tapes too, and if we count how many were damaged in Entry #69 we can work out how many are playable. But counting is hard, best left to daylight hours.

This doesn't count as an "Amy tape" in the sense of "any mention of Amy must be expunged". It was physically impossible for Alex to give this tape to Jay because it was recorded as Jay collected the other tapes. Alex had reasons to not give this tape to Jay, but it doesn't have to be the same reason he didn't give other tapes to him.

There was a theory earlier in the thread that Alex knocked Jay out, then drove to his house and hid the tapes at the back of the closet. If that's true then what is the distorted footage of Jay looking up with a shadow over his face doing on the tape? If Alex is going to knock Jay out then hide the tapes I doubt he'd have footage of Jay conscious in there.

Someone also posted a theory that Alex was teleported to the red tower and had to drive back. If that's true then how was the car at the red tower in the first place? (Is there some kind of Hoody/masky carpool thing going on? There's a special lane for that, right?) Anyway, enough spoiling other people's ideas, I just thought these two points needed raising because they need explaining.

Alex has a bit of a belly here, yet from what I remember, Jay said he was thinner that he used to be. Alex must have had a spare tire during filming.

Alex's clothes remind me of what he wore in Entry #14. It looks like he's ready to be slendy napped at any moment.

This is the second time we've seen Alex attack someone, strangle them and then leave them for the operator (first time in the chronology, of course.) It looks like he's had practice at this. Maybe this is what happened to Sarah. (Note that with Bruce, Alex is sure to finish him off. Perhaps he learned from this encounter with Jay that he has to be sure to finish the job.)

Alex dumped Jay near a streetlight. The streetlight from Entry #2? It's probably not important, but it would be nice if they tried to tie in the older entries that suffered from Early Instalment Wierdness.

Speculation time: To me, this entry hints at one last problem that Alex had. Suppose he was ready to move on with his life (burn most of the tapes, move to somewhere else, leave no trace of where he's gone to) he still needs to stop filming at some point. Evidently he's still filming even as he's moving out, and he's doing it so that he remembers what happens. (He films himself whilst beating the crap out of Jay. That must have taken a lot of concentration to do, and there's no reason to do it except to leave a record for himself, or if the operator somehow uses the camera to "see", then to tell the operator where he and Jay are.) So suppose Alex decides to stop filming and puts the camera in a box somewhere. Then the operator arrives and wipes his memory of doing this. If that's the case, and it's a clean wipe then Alex woud genuinely be surprised by Amy's find Entry #26, because he would remember destroying everything else, and assume the camera had the same fate. There's no defence against this happening except to never stop filming himself. Didn't Jay suffer a similar problem in Entry #26? His paranoia slowly tailed off leaving him with the awkward decision of when to stop filming himself.

Alex was clearly waiting for Jay in this entry. You can tell by his actions at the beginning, an his body language throughout. I think that he had some internal conflict as Jay left. He managed to keep Jay talking for over half an hour (or Jay kept Alex talking for half an hour, whatever) and I think he was genuinely torn between letting Jay walk off with the "safe" tapes, and sacrificing him to the operator. If this is the last time Alex expects to see Jay then it's his last chance for a sacrifice. At the last moment he changes his mind, and he does so seconds before Jay is about to drive away.

Some OOG stuff:
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I love the continuity with the original SomethingAwful post. I almost laughed at the view of Jay with the bags of tapes, that's pretty much how I imagined it looking! I also found it a little hard to take the opening scene seriously. It's clearly the same place from "Troy moves out". Which means they probably filmed this part a long long time ago. Kudos for commitment with a filming schedule there!


Jay asks about what "Alex has caused [him] to forget". The audio distortion at the streetlight suggests the operator is present, and we know that the operator can do retroactive mind wipes. However what if Alex did cause this? What if he slipped Jay a roofie at some point?

And onto the tapes that were left behind: We have 14 tapes in total: 11 that went into the box, this tape, the tape that Amy finds still in the camera, and Entry #22, which is filmed later. I'm assuming the 11 tapes contain Entry #51. Alex is faced with the prospect of burning these tapes and he decides to keep at least two of them aside. He keeps Entry #51 aside because it contains the last whereabouts of Tim, one of the loose ends that Alex is still trying to get rid of in Season 2 (hence the tape sitting on his desk.) At this point I have no idea why he keeps Entry #22, especially given the confessional he makes. Given that he thinks Jay is "gone", and that between sacrificing Jay and sacrificing Bruce he decides to finish his kills, I think that he is sincere when he says that he thinks Jay is no longer with us. Perhaps the confessional was for himself. Maybe it was saved so that if he ever wanted to look back into his past he would have at least one tape telling him not to look any further.

So how did TTA know about the Entry #22 tape? Two things spring to mind: they stalked Alex, saw him at the tower and saw him stash a tape, or they recovered it from the hole and decided to protect it from water damage by putting it in a metal case, far above the ground. (I'm still going with the "Alex put the tapes in the hole theory" through gritted teeth here. 7 years and no serious water damage? That doesn't sit well with me, especially since we know how much it rains in CollegeTown when it wants to.)

Finally, on the point of tape labelling, it's possible that Alex had a non-obvious labelling system. In the first few seconds we can see a sticker on one of the tape cases, so maybe Alex used the position of the sticker to time order them or something, so that only he would know how to arrange them. Once they're mixed up in a bag there's no way to tell that there was ever any order at all. (Incidentally I like that Jay labelled his tapes on camera, as shown in Entry #50. He clearly suffered at least a minor mind wipe during the 7 months to prompt that kind of forward planning.)

This entry made me happy. And miss out on a couple of hours of sleep.

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This entry has made me think seriously about an answer I've been pondering to the question of why Jay posted no entries and no tweets during the "lost" seven months between season 1 and season 2. What if Jay DID post entries and tweets, and we all watched them unfold, but when TO wiped Jay's memory, he also erased the entries and tweets and erased ALL OUR MEMORIES? I'm not sure how they would reveal that, but it would be a great twist at the end of the series.

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Drksrpnt
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Beidah wrote:
Drksrpnt wrote:
He has several other incriminating tapes though, like the Brian sacrifice at the hospital. Why didn't he burn that?

And why didn't he burn any more tapes afterwards? It couldn't have hurt to burn the one where he killed the guy with a rock.


The one where he killed the guy with a rock wasn't a tape, Jay found it on a hard drive, iirc.


I know. I should have worded that better, "Why didn't he burn any future tapes after the initial batch?"

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aidansean wrote:
(Is there some kind of Hoody/masky carpool thing going on? There's a special lane for that, right?)

Oh, man, did this make me laugh. Very Happy


aidansean wrote:
What if he slipped Jay a roofie at some point?

Well, that would explain Alex's motive for filming: blackmail. You know, get him good and drugged up, put him in a compromising position with TO out on the lawn (Jay, you shameless hussy!) and film the whole thing. That makes perfect sense. Yep. Confused

aidansean wrote:
This entry made me happy.

Agreed. I know some people are not happy with the lack of progress, plot/answer-wise, but I found that I was ridiculously happy that we got it, even having to wait quite a ways into the night for it to post.

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 11:13 pm
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It seems interesting that Tim and Jay are the only two that Alex actually attacks himself. With Brian and Tim he just led them presumably to TO. With Sarah it's not exactly clear. But he himself physically injures Tim and Jay. And he seems to go further with Jay, strangling and beating the shit out of him. This entry really solidifies for me that Alex thought Bruce was Jay in entry 49. He attacks Bruce the exact same way.

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gazza
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BranRainey wrote:
Clearly the purpose of this entry was to show how Alex got a chance to steal Jay's car for a bit, thus explaining why it was parked outside Brian's house in entry #6. Razz


Didn't Jay specifically reply on youtube that it wasn't his car? I think he said that he drove a mazda.

aidansean wrote:
Several thoughts, in no particular order, and of varying degrees of seriousness:

Thanks to whoever pointed out the 11 tapes! I counted 11 tapes too, and if we count how many were damaged in Entry #69 we can work out how many are playable. But counting is hard, best left to daylight hours.


I tried, but it's difficult. It seems like Tim pulls out 4 "objects", and Jay pulls out 3. However, the first object Jay pulls out seems like 2 tapes melted together, and the second object could be as many as 3 tapes melted together. Assuming all the other objects are single tapes, that would mean Tim pulled out 4 tapes, and Jay pulled out 6, for 10 total. That's consistent with the idea that one of the 11 tapes was 56-42, and the other 10 were burned. However I should reiterate that it was very difficult to figure out how many tapes there were and I may be wrong.

It may be that the exact number of tapes isn't important.

EDIT: I just realised that my "tape count" theory doesn't make sense, since Entry #71 obviously can't be one of the 11 tapes. I'm now thinking that maybe those tapes are a different set of tapes that we haven't come across yet? Maybe they're still in that closet? Wishful thinking on my part, most likely.

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Okay so what if Alex was attached to slendy, but in this tape we see him transfer that attachment somehow to jay? Alex walks away from Jay, and suddenly the static doesn't happen when he's holding the camera anymore. It might explain why until years later when he was with his girlfriend that slendy didn't show up again.

Then again there are a lot of holes in that one too...

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aidansean wrote:
If Alex is going to knock Jay out then hide the tapes I doubt he'd have footage of Jay conscious in there.


I don't think he was concious. That scene mirrored that one scene in #Entry 52, along with that one ToTheArk video where Jay is sitting and staring up as the Operator walks past him.

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I wonder if the years between Jay getting the tapes from Alex and his post on something awful are relevant?

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought Jay turned into sad panda.

About the "couple of bags" someone mentioned earlier, in the states we don't necessarily use words like "couple" or "few" correctly. They're pretty much interchangeable. i.e. If my grandma asked me to go to the store for a couple eggs, I'd grab a dozen. If she told me to grab a couple of eggs from the fridge, I would ask how many she needed, and it would probably be like 5.

I think we may see if Jay is "immune" to slendy rape or whatever soon here. Though I'm a big fan of the theory Jay's personality split at this point, and he now has a masked persona. It's not hoody or masky, but TTA.

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KTsteve wrote:
I wonder if the years between Jay getting the tapes from Alex and his post on something awful are relevant?

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought Jay turned into sad panda.

About the "couple of bags" someone mentioned earlier, in the states we don't necessarily use words like "couple" or "few" correctly. They're pretty much interchangeable. i.e. If my grandma asked me to go to the store for a couple eggs, I'd grab a dozen. If she told me to grab a couple of eggs from the fridge, I would ask how many she needed, and it would probably be like 5.

I think we may see if Jay is "immune" to slendy rape or whatever soon here. Though I'm a big fan of the theory Jay's personality split at this point, and he now has a masked persona. It's not hoody or masky, but TTA.


We've seen TTA film Jay numerous times before. Jay can't be TTA, unless it's a future version of himself (in which case the series would be jumping the shark)

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This was interesting to say the least. Finally putting to light the lost time Jay suffered during the MH shoot.

I wonder what this means in the end. There must be some kind of linking thread between the previous two tapes... I guess these two and the one from the tower are the only ones that mention Alex moving. Other than Jay's first post.

Perhaps the fact he was moving is the common thread. Maybe everyone that knew Alex might be moving were dealt with by Alex (except Tim, who was probably attacked because Alex accidentally mentioned about where Amy was).

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Marble Hornets wrote:
KTsteve wrote:
I wonder if the years between Jay getting the tapes from Alex and his post on something awful are relevant?

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought Jay turned into sad panda.

About the "couple of bags" someone mentioned earlier, in the states we don't necessarily use words like "couple" or "few" correctly. They're pretty much interchangeable. i.e. If my grandma asked me to go to the store for a couple eggs, I'd grab a dozen. If she told me to grab a couple of eggs from the fridge, I would ask how many she needed, and it would probably be like 5.

I think we may see if Jay is "immune" to slendy rape or whatever soon here. Though I'm a big fan of the theory Jay's personality split at this point, and he now has a masked persona. It's not hoody or masky, but TTA.


We've seen TTA film Jay numerous times before. Jay can't be TTA, unless it's a future version of himself (in which case the series would be jumping the shark)


Yeah, this is the problem I have with Tribe Twelve. Time travel, paradoxes, alternate realities and all that crap, usually don't come off as very good plot devices, at least to me. Bioshock Infinite, Steins Gate and (most of) Doctor Who are exceptions, along with other things I can't think of right now.

Anyway,

brianlane723 wrote:
This entry has made me think seriously about an answer I've been pondering to the question of why Jay posted no entries and no tweets during the "lost" seven months between season 1 and season 2. What if Jay DID post entries and tweets, and we all watched them unfold, but when TO wiped Jay's memory, he also erased the entries and tweets and erased ALL OUR MEMORIES? I'm not sure how they would reveal that, but it would be a great twist at the end of the series.


I really like this. This would be a gloriously amazing mindfuck, but unfortunately, I wouldn't be included as I didn't start following Marble Hornets/the Mythos until around the time Entry 46 came out. Sad

...Or maybe I DID, but can't remember? GLORIOUS!

Realistically, though, if the Operator had the power to do something on THIS scale, I think he would have succeeded at whatever his motivation is by now. It's an awesome theory, though.

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What if Alex was hurting all these people and wiping their minds so they would forget that he exists, and nobody remembered him until Jay watched the videos and posted them online

Edit: Actually I don't think this can be, because Tim remembers Alex

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I'm definitely a fan of the TTA = Jay theory. Looking at the characters that we've seen come out of this, Tim has a split personality (although he did before as well possibly), Hoody likely does as well given how much he has in common with Tim, and Alex has normal and insane-wolf style. Jay is the only one we haven't seen exhibiting bizarre behavior as a result of this. Maybe his "bizarre" behavior is to mastermind this whole thing.

Also, this explains how TTA has access to Jay's account to upload things, and also that he knows where Jay is at all times. In particular, he seems to know where Jay goes when he loses his memory.

There are still problems with this theory, such as TTA filming Jay at various points (beginning of season 3 and you could count Exit), but most of that can be dismissed as TTA having collaborators. Jay has speculated that TTA might be multiple people. Jay could still be the mastermind.

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