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Which struck me as very odd since he had been living around that area since he was eight, and never seemed to have a problem with it.

From the above SA post.

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I thought I would be safer here. By running away. But everything has just gotten worse. I'm going back to my home.

From Entry 22.

I don't know if this had been decided already, but it seems pretty likely he lived in the town Tim grew up in. Maybe he went away for college, thinking he could escape TO, and got followed? Would explain why he immediately starts trying to video everything when he first sees him when walking the dog.
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 		Food for thought: assuming the characters in MH are the same ages as their actors, wouldn't they have to be 17 or 18 in this 2006 footage?

I'm guessing that in-game, they're supposed to be in their late twenties-early thirties by now.

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 		I don't know if it was sudden Operator induced madness, a last minute regret, or both, but I'm guessing Alex decided he had to make Jay "gone" to get him out of the way. What bugs me is that I can't tell if he only wanted to spare Jay and make him forget, or if he actually offered him to the Operator and left him there for dead. The latter might be more likely, which would explain why he didn't get the tapes back.

And like others mentioned before, it's probable that he doesn't remember anything of what he had done to Tim, Brian and now Jay, until he looked at the tapes after his excursion with Seth (cause I'm still in the Alex-is-a-victim-too camp) and ran away. (We still don't know what happened to Sarah though).

Finally, we still don't know why he burned the tapes he did. I'm hoping for more burnt tapes in the future, or a TTA.

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 		I don't think this was before Alex's little confession in entry 22. He seemed to have made up his mind to move right then and there, which would place this incident after that. "Gone" probably just means forgotten though, like maybe Alex is the only one at this point who remembers what's happened, and that makes him feel isolated.

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 		I think this entry will be followed by a TTA vid.

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After that is the a staticy close-up on Jay? Jay looks slightly up and the image begins to brighten. Reminds me of an alien abduction scene from the x-files; it's bothering me.


Don't forget the shadow that slowly casts over him.
That part reminds me of the ending of Season 2, actually.

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I don't think it's outrageous to think that Alex could have knocked Jay out, then taken his keys and driven Jay's car (along with his unconscious body) back to Jay's house, placing Jay in his bed or something to make it seem to him like he just woke up normally the next morning, and then maybe Alex placed the bags of tapes in the back of Jay's closet, hoping that Jay would forget about the fact that he had the tapes knowing that it would be unlikely that Jay would find them if they were hidden deep in his closet. That would kind of explain the reason why it took Jay three years to find the tapes in the back of his closet, and Jay seemed somewhat surprised to find them there (or at least it seemed so by they way he mentioned it in the Introduction video).

This still doesn't explain why Alex hid the tapes instead of bringing them back with him, but it definitely explains the last seconds of the video. I had thought of something like this too, but I just don't know how to make this theory work properly.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
I don't think this was before Alex's little confession in entry 22. He seemed to have made up his mind to move right then and there, which would place this incident after that. "Gone" probably just means forgotten though, like maybe Alex is the only one at this point who remembers what's happened, and that makes him feel isolated.


Yeah, I always thought that Alex's use of the word "gone" was far from literal.

undervattensflugan wrote:
I think this entry will be followed by a TTA vid.


I remember back when this would've been an obvious statement

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 		If I was Alex and didn't want Jay to look at the tapes, I wouldn't put them in his apartment. Just sayin.

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sweetgums wrote:
This still doesn't explain why Alex hid the tapes instead of bringing them back with him, but it definitely explains the last seconds of the video. I had thought of something like this too, but I just don't know how to make this theory work properly.

That's the one problem I ran into when thinking about this. Why not just take all the tapes back? If Jay's just going to forget about them anyway, then taking them back seems like a no-brainer when the alternative is to hide them in Jay's closet and basically ensure that Alex will never have the ability to remove them again, if he so desired.

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 		Watching this entry inspired me to go and rewatch the Introduction video. I just want to point out that the attention to detail is amazing.

I would also like to point out that all of Alex's tapes were unlabeled. Of course we have known this since the beginning of the series as it actually says it in the Introduction video, but as we learn more about Alex's transformation, it starts to make less sense. If they (Alex, and now Jay) are experiencing memory loss and rely on the tapes to help them remember correctly, why wouldn't they label the tapes? Because Jay wasn't able to put together a clear timeline and we have been trying to do the same, but it has proven difficult.
Say Alex ran into the Operator and lost a few days of memory, how would he know which tapes he had recently filmed?

I feel very nitpicky right now, but it doesn't make any sense.
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This could be answered with a simple, "BECAUSE PLOT NEEDS TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!one!!" But I don't know if I like that answer.


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Geneaux486 wrote:
I don't think this was before Alex's little confession in entry 22. He seemed to have made up his mind to move right then and there, which would place this incident after that. "Gone" probably just means forgotten though, like maybe Alex is the only one at this point who remembers what's happened, and that makes him feel isolated.


^That's not ringing right with me, but I can't exactly say why. Need to ponder.

But I still think that he didn't really get anything "added." If he remembered something that didn't happen, like, say, he and Alex went for ice cream (sorry, absurd example, but you get the idea), then that would be a "new" memory. (And why is he blaming Alex for his memory issues suddenly? He knows full well it's TO that wipes brains. Right?)

But he got the tapes (that happened) and he got home (eventually). If anything was "added," it was Jay who added it himself. It wouldn't be unusual for him to "fill in" the most logical intervening step: he drove home.

Think about it: how many times have you been on the road, driving a long trip, and suddenly you look up, and fifty miles have passed, and you're not sure how. Do you a) assume you "lost time" because you were abducted by aliens, or b) figure that you were just inattentive, daydreaming, and were in the car the entire time?

Does this make any sense?

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 		I saw a theory on tumblr that maybe when Alex attacked Jay, they teleported to either Rosswood or the Red Tower Park. So the final seconds of the video was Alex driving back.

Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Think about it: how many times have you been on the road, driving a long trip, and suddenly you look up, and fifty miles have passed, and you're not sure how. Do you a) assume you "lost time" because you were abducted by aliens, or b) figure that you were just inattentive, daydreaming, and were in the car the entire time?

So in this case the Operator 'told him' to drive back home, and he woke up with the altered memory that he had really done that?

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At first, I thought that the short clip of driving at the tail end of the entry was insignificant and just something to show that Alex's tapes could have contained more stuff than just the "important" events that are relevant to the plot. However, after thinking about it some more, I'm starting to wonder if this scene is actually much more significant to the plot than it initially seemed (or as it initially seemed to me, at least).

I thought that the footage was of Alex driving in his car after attacking Jay. However, what if that was footage of Alex driving Jay's car? I don't think that this was when Alex made Jay "gone". Rather, I think that Alex, after taking a second look out his window and realizing that he had made a mistake by giving Jay the tapes, could have attacked Jay and rendered him unconscious, not with the goal of killing him or "sending him away", but rather with the intention of preventing him from immediately looking through the tapes that Alex just gave him. This could be a stretch, but I don't think it's outrageous to think that Alex could have knocked Jay out, then taken his keys and driven Jay's car (along with his unconscious body) back to Jay's house, placing Jay in his bed or something to make it seem to him like he just woke up normally the next morning, and then maybe Alex placed the bags of tapes in the back of Jay's closet, hoping that Jay would forget about the fact that he had the tapes knowing that it would be unlikely that Jay would find them if they were hidden deep in his closet. That would kind of explain the reason why it took Jay three years to find the tapes in the back of his closet, and Jay seemed somewhat surprised to find them there (or at least it seemed so by they way he mentioned it in the Introduction video). Think about it — you're Jay and you just received two bags full of tapes from a close friend of yours who told you never to speak to him about them again, in a very firm and serious manner. Do you think you would just go back home that night, place the tapes in the back of your closet yourself and then completely forget about them for three years? I don't know about you guys, but I would be far too curious to allow that to happen, and we all know that our ol' pal Jay is quite the curious cat himself.

So, while it may not be completely well-supported that Alex intended to knock Jay out and take him back to his home in order to jumble his memory in hopes of making him forget about the fact that he had received that cache of mysterious tapes from Alex just the night before, I think it stands to reason that this could have been Alex's motive. I just refuse to believe that the short clip at the end of the entry with the camera (which we know to be Alex's camera, not Jay's) pointed out the window, while an unknown driver drove an unknown car, was just some insignificant random footage that they chose to throw in there for realism's sake. I think it has a deeper meaning.


Quoting not because I agree, but because it did get me thinking. What if, as you said, Alex immediately regretted giving Jay the tapes and so attacked him. However, not to bring him back to Jay's home and lay him down to sleep - instead, to get to the bag of tapes and take back the ones he didn't want Jay to ever see.

This would explain why Jay got a series of tapes while we later learn that Alex withheld many others. It also explains how Jay happened to get some footage that contained incriminating material, presumably unintentionally on Alex's part. In the moment, Alex wasn't able to know with full confidence which tapes to take, so while he took some, he also accidentally left a couple behind.
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sweetgums wrote:
So in this case the Operator 'told him' to drive back home, and he woke up with the altered memory that he had really done that?


I don't think TO told him anything. I think Jay was just... wiped. A section of what happened to him that evening was gone. And in its absence, Jay 'supplied' the logical link -- he must have gotten home, so he subconsciously reasons that he must have driven home.

I need to rewatch this about twelve times. Too many confusing details.

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