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 		Why do I have the feeling that jay is full of shit
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Geneaux486 wrote:
Spritey wrote:
I guess if the Operator can erase your memory, there's no reason he shouldn't be able to alter it as well.


True enough, though that would add a new dimension to the Operator's actions.


I don't think Jay's memory was altered, rather he filled in the blanks by himself. He remembers everything up to the point where he puts the tapes in the car. Next thing he remembers is waking up at home the following morning, probably with a headache (Entry 24 springs to mind, where Jay catches himself going walkabout on film).

So he just assumes he drove home without really remembering, but is feeling rather disturbed nonetheless, hence his decision to put the tapes away and not look at them right away.

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Little_Socrates wrote:
Okay, this is pretty wild speculation, but it was what immediately came to mind after watching the entry. Also, forgive the shitty writing, but it's approaching 5 am and I have to get back to studying.

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When Alex left Jay lying face-first, I presumed Jay was dead. Not "left for dead," actually dead-dead. Hard for me to believe Alex would just, y'know, NOT kill him all of a sudden after killing everybody else, one way or another. Probably checked his pulse or something.

Obviously, this would be a problem. BUT! Aha. We have that weird distortion where we cut to Jay's face warping...into a ghost-like face. A face with features pretty ill-defined apart from his big eyes and mouth. Sounds...familiar, actually.

Sounds like a friend who seems to always know where Jay is and speaks to him very cryptically. Someone who seems to always know his passwords and hack his accounts a whole bunch.

Even presuming Alex just left Jay to TO as a sacrifice, why would Jay still be alive? And how do we explain Jay's warped memory? Through Alex's ability to "manipulate people's heads?" No, I don't buy it. At least, it doesn't seem any more plausible than what I'm about to say.

Guys, I'm pretty sure Hoody is Jay. Well, Hoody is Jay 1. And, well, we've been hanging out with Jay 2 this whole time.


I would totally be on board with this, except that it doesn't match with the meltdown Alex has in the "Hoody Hut": "WHERE DID THEY GO? WHERE ARE JAY AND TIM?" Then he says, "Wipe that stupid smile off your face." So Hoody is not wearing his mask at that point, I think, so he can't be Jay, if Alex is asking Hoody where Jay is.

But now I'm wondering if Hoody even is TTA (and this is an idea I've been very attached to). I'm wondering if Jay is TTA, that TTA is his alter ego, like Masky is Tim's. Especially as it would account for the seeming ease of access TTA has to Jay's accounts.

Totally tinfoil? Somebody talk me down. I feel shaky.

Edited: Spelling, dammit.

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 		I know it's a little off topic but Jay could be TTA. Using Masky/Tim as the base for how TO can affect people TTA would have knowledge of what really happened and in their normal persona wouldn't have that memory. So Hoody could be Brian or whoever (not in the mood to argue that) and Jay could be TTA, calling the shots and never revealing himself on camera. Just an idea Embarassed please give creative criticism. I don't post much and just wanted to throw this out there.

Go figure. NInja'd Sad

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Little_Socrates wrote:
Okay, this is pretty wild speculation, but it was what immediately came to mind after watching the entry. Also, forgive the shitty writing, but it's approaching 5 am and I have to get back to studying.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
When Alex left Jay lying face-first, I presumed Jay was dead. Not "left for dead," actually dead-dead. Hard for me to believe Alex would just, y'know, NOT kill him all of a sudden after killing everybody else, one way or another. Probably checked his pulse or something.

Obviously, this would be a problem. BUT! Aha. We have that weird distortion where we cut to Jay's face warping...into a ghost-like face. A face with features pretty ill-defined apart from his big eyes and mouth. Sounds...familiar, actually.

Sounds like a friend who seems to always know where Jay is and speaks to him very cryptically. Someone who seems to always know his passwords and hack his accounts a whole bunch.

Even presuming Alex just left Jay to TO as a sacrifice, why would Jay still be alive? And how do we explain Jay's warped memory? Through Alex's ability to "manipulate people's heads?" No, I don't buy it. At least, it doesn't seem any more plausible than what I'm about to say.

Guys, I'm pretty sure Hoody is Jay. Well, Hoody is Jay 1. And, well, we've been hanging out with Jay 2 this whole time.


I would totally be on board with this, except that it doesn't match with the meltdown Alex has in the "Hoody Hut": "WHERE DID THEY GO? WHERE ARE JAY AND TIM?" Then he says, "Wipe that stupid smile off your face." So Hoody is not wearing his mask at that point, I think, so he can't be Jay, if Alex is asking Hoody where Jay is.

But now I'm wondering if Hoody even is TTA (and this is an idea I've been very attached to). I'm wondering if Jay is TTA, that TTA is his alter ego, like Masky is Tim's. Especially as it would account for the seeming ease of access TTA has to Jay's accounts.

Totally tinifoil? Somebody talk me down. I feel shaky.


Hoody can't be Jay because they're literally on screen together in Hoody's first appearance in 39.

I'm in line that Hoody and Masky are parts of TTA while somebody else leads it behind the scenes. Jay's alter-ego? Maybe: But I think that'd be a bit weird given how much Hoody/Masky have screwed with Jay from day 1 and there's a lot of holes to be filled in that respect.

Really, we pretty much know for a fact that Hoody/Masky are part of TTA: They've appeared in exclusive footage and some of the videos are clearly made by Masky or Hoody. The question is "Is there a third guy in TTA and is he an alter-ego Jay or another one of the cast members?"

I always thought Hoody's reach was a bit far and that some of the TTA videos were way off tone for him or Masky.

I mean, there's certainly room for another masked person. *COUGHSKULLYCOUGH*.

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Hoody can't be Jay because they're literally on screen together in Hoody's first appearance in 39.

I'm in line that Hoody and Masky are parts of TTA while somebody else leads it behind the scenes. Jay's alter-ego? Maybe: But I think that'd be a bit weird given how much Hoody/Masky have screwed with Jay from day 1 and there's a lot of holes to be filled in that respect.

Really, we pretty much know for a fact that Hoody/Masky are part of TTA: They've appeared in exclusive footage and some of the videos are clearly made by Masky or Hoody. The question is "Is there a third guy in TTA and is he an alter-ego Jay or another one of the cast members?"

I always thought Hoody's reach was a bit far and that some of the TTA videos were way off tone for him or Masky.

I mean, there's certainly room for another masked person. *COUGHSKULLYCOUGH*.[/quote]

Is it possible TTA is cognitive enough to know he's Jay's alter ego and calls the hits on himself in order to throw him in the right direction? I mean he knows himself better than anyone and knows how he would react to things. Jay has been in TTA's palm since the start, never faltering from what TTA would want.

Edit: Got rid of wall of text

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Lucifox wrote:
I know it's a little off topic but Jay could be TTA. Using Masky/Tim as the base for how TO can affect people TTA would have knowledge of what really happened and in their normal persona wouldn't have that memory. So Hoody could be Brian or whoever (not in the mood to argue that) and Jay could be TTA, calling the shots and never revealing himself on camera. Just an idea Embarassed please give creative criticism. I don't post much and just wanted to throw this out there.

Go figure. NInja'd Sad


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 		Does anyone have took screenshots of the hidden frames I swear I seen atleast 2 of them.

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Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Maybe: But I think that'd be a bit weird given how much Hoody/Masky have screwed with Jay from day 1 and there's a lot of holes to be filled in that respect.


That's not really a hole, IMO, Hoody was perfectly happy to fuck with non-Masky Tim. In fact, Hoody specifically screwed with Tim (by stealing his meds) to turn him back into Masky. Masky and Hoody could easily have been screwing with Jay in ways to make him lapse into his TTA persona, since Hoody at least seems to have at least some agenda or another tied into them being in that weird fugue state.

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Lucifox wrote:
Is it possible TTA is cognitive enough to know he's Jay's alter ego and calls the hits on himself in order to throw him in the right direction? I mean he knows himself better than anyone and knows how he would react to things. Jay has been in TTA's palm since the start, never faltering from what TTA would want.


Liking this more and more. [OOG, when a person has MPD (multiple personality disorder), often the reason for an alternate personality is unbearable trauma, and a "stronger" persona takes over to "absorb" the issue, leaving the "original" persona in relative peace. Exposure to TO could certainly be the initiating trauma; TTA could be that stronger persona for Jay, I can see that happening... and TTA being unable to clearly articulate his messages could be caused by his taking on the terrible burden.]

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sunkenkraken wrote:
So far I haven't read anything (might have missed it) that connected the location of where Alex is driving at the end of 71 with where Jay was driving at the start of the Intro. I believe they are the same location, filmed from different angles.


The roadsigns passed as well as the general lay of the land do seem like they could be a match.

I am pushing it, but there is also footage in Sidetone of a formation of lights that looks like it could be from this same locale.
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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Lucifox wrote:
Is it possible TTA is cognitive enough to know he's Jay's alter ego and calls the hits on himself in order to throw him in the right direction? I mean he knows himself better than anyone and knows how he would react to things. Jay has been in TTA's palm since the start, never faltering from what TTA would want.


Liking this more and more. [OOG, when a person has MPD (multiple personality disorder), often the reason for an alternate personality is unbearable trauma, and a "stronger" persona takes over to "absorb" the issue, leaving the "original" persona in relative peace. Exposure to TO could certainly be the initiating trauma; TTA could be that stronger persona for Jay, I can see that happening... and TTA being unable to clearly articulate his messages could be caused by his taking on the terrible burden.]


Plus we can't forget that there have been TTA vids addressed to both Masky and Hoody before. Giving more reason to assume there's a third entity in TTA. Can't particularly remember which ones, sometime in season 2 I believe. (Someone earlier said that one of the big questions was if there was any reason to assume a thrid member.)

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Jsor wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Maybe: But I think that'd be a bit weird given how much Hoody/Masky have screwed with Jay from day 1 and there's a lot of holes to be filled in that respect.


That's not really a hole, IMO, Hoody was perfectly happy to fuck with non-Masky Tim. In fact, Hoody specifically screwed with Tim (by stealing his meds) to turn him back into Masky. Masky and Hoody could easily have been screwing with Jay in ways to make him lapse into his TTA persona, since Hoody at least seems to have at least some agenda or another tied into them being in that weird fugue state.


Ehh, most of what they've been doing via screwing with him though is leading him to clues to investigate and find Alex. Any time there was a cold trail, something new inexplicably popped up.

I just always thought of Jay as an unwitting pawn. Now, to be fair, unexplained crazy shit like Entry ###### and a lot of things like "HE IS A LIAR" and the now apparent incorrect memories Jay has points to something weird going on with him, but I don't think that it's because he's TTA.

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Jsor wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Maybe: But I think that'd be a bit weird given how much Hoody/Masky have screwed with Jay from day 1 and there's a lot of holes to be filled in that respect.


That's not really a hole, IMO, Hoody was perfectly happy to fuck with non-Masky Tim. In fact, Hoody specifically screwed with Tim (by stealing his meds) to turn him back into Masky. Masky and Hoody could easily have been screwing with Jay in ways to make him lapse into his TTA persona, since Hoody at least seems to have at least some agenda or another tied into them being in that weird fugue state.


OMG. This makes me think that the group of three (if it's three) are all dually-persona'd (yeah, I made that word up). Masky/Tim, Hoody/?Brian?, and Jay/TTA. Maybe they're all a sort of demented support group, provoking one another into altered states to try to get at the truth of the situation.
(Whoa. I need to get my hat. Foily!)

(And one more thing -- I don't know how the discussion falls on Hoody being Brian, but the theft of the meds strikes me as significant. Jay, Alex, maybe Seth -- they all knew Tim took medication, because they saw him taking it on the sets, but Brian was Tim's close friend; he'd know what the pills were for, and what depriving Tim of them would do.)

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
(...)

But I still think that he didn't really get anything "added." If he remembered something that didn't happen, like, say, he and Alex went for ice cream (sorry, absurd example, but you get the idea), then that would be a "new" memory. (And why is he blaming Alex for his memory issues suddenly? He knows full well it's TO that wipes brains. Right?)

But he got the tapes (that happened) and he got home (eventually). If anything was "added," it was Jay who added it himself. It wouldn't be unusual for him to "fill in" the most logical intervening step: he drove home.

Think about it: how many times have you been on the road, driving a long trip, and suddenly you look up, and fifty miles have passed, and you're not sure how. Do you a) assume you "lost time" because you were abducted by aliens, or b) figure that you were just inattentive, daydreaming, and were in the car the entire time?

Does this make any sense?


Just quoting to support this. If you think back to S1, where Jay admitted not remembering huge chunks of time, like Entries #17 or #20, it doesn't seem too odd that he just doesn't remember the apparently shorter span of time it might have taken Alex to tackle him and.. well, do whatever he did at the end, and didn't figure it out until he got to watch the tape.
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