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[Trailhead] Rewriting The Future
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Arenhart
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AUZ505 wrote:


Should I post the java program?


I think you should post the code if you want, I could take a look and check how you could make rows and columns right (so they fit the que qr structure)

But back to the problem, what we have is that the sorting is right, all of the red levels could be further sorted to fit the qr structure, but we need to find the exact method to make the code itself fit...

So, what information we have? The green and blue levels seem useless, the only information we are discarding is the original pixel position... Perhaps the same red level pixels should be sorted based on they original position? That should be though to implement, and perhaps fruitless, but is the only information in the image that could be used to do the subsorting and we are curently ignoring.

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So much work...

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AUZ505
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Arenhart wrote:

I think you should post the code if you want, I could take a look and check how you could make rows and columns right (so they fit the que qr structure)


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Arenhart wrote:

So, what information we have? The green and blue levels seem useless, the only information we are discarding is the original pixel position... Perhaps the same red level pixels should be sorted based on they original position? That should be though to implement, and perhaps fruitless, but is the only information in the image that could be used to do the subsorting and we are curently ignoring.


I think you are up to something. At least for the three examples I posted in my previous post your method would fit. But.... not so easy to implement. I am going to bed - maybe tomorrow.

EDIT: xkeeper was faster! @xkeeper: Was at least the theory correct?
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AUZ505 wrote:
EDIT: xkeeper was faster! @xkeeper: Was at least the theory correct?


I tried literally everything involving the green and blue colors. The last post with the hint about using the original X and Y positions was a good clue. (It's ironic that everything but the red was the red herring, huh.)

This is how I sorted the pixels. R, X, and Y are the red value, X position, and Y position of the original pixel.

Code:

      if ($a['r'] < $b['r']) {
         return -1;
      } elseif ($a['r'] > $b['r']) {
         return 1;
      }


      if ($a['y'] < $b['y']) {
         return -1;
      } elseif ($a['y'] > $b['y']) {
         return 1;
      }

      if ($a['x'] < $b['x']) {
         return -1;
      } elseif ($a['x'] > $b['x']) {
         return 1;
      }

      return 0;


Clever. And infuriating. But very clever.



(* Edit: The board seems to have eaten a lot of this code.)


E: I think in retrospect, the worst part of this puzzle was the fact that if you sorted by red ascending and then green descending, you got a very, very close approximation to how it would end up. It was very effective in throwing me completely off of trying to use the original positions. Devious.

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Arenhart
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So, it leads to an url, with the following text backwards:

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TS:2022-06-30-23-59-60Many historians perceive 2013 as the starting point to the LOLCat Apocalypse. At that time, people were already sharing a lot of information about their personal life online. That made it possible for Avecira Solutions to use the data to create detailed profiles of people. As a part of Toilworn Diamond, they started to collect a massive user register where they would record every little detail they were able to collect. People were happily unaware of the situation and continued sharing opinions, pictures, videos and status updates online and never realized that someone was recording almost everything they did.If you are reading this when the year 2013 has already passed, there is nothing you can do anymore. However, if you managed to get hold of this message by 2013 the latest, there is still hope! Remember the following text, it might become handy later: DIVEBUT


I supoese the last word was not suposed to be inverted, so it should actually be

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TUBEVID


Oh, and congratulations for xkeeper for solving it

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Arenhart wrote:
So, it leads to an url, with the following text backwards:

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TS:2022-06-30-23-59-60Many historians perceive 2013 as the starting point to the LOLCat Apocalypse. At that time, people were already sharing a lot of information about their personal life online. That made it possible for Avecira Solutions to use the data to create detailed profiles of people. As a part of Toilworn Diamond, they started to collect a massive user register where they would record every little detail they were able to collect. People were happily unaware of the situation and continued sharing opinions, pictures, videos and status updates online and never realized that someone was recording almost everything they did.If you are reading this when the year 2013 has already passed, there is nothing you can do anymore. However, if you managed to get hold of this message by 2013 the latest, there is still hope! Remember the following text, it might become handy later: DIVEBUT


I supoese the last word was not suposed to be inverted, so it should actually be

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TUBEVID


Oh, and congratulations for xkeeper for solving it


...That's suspiciously porn-site-sounding Laughing I did a search for
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tubevid
but came up with nothing. Awesome work btw guys, a lot of this stuff lately has been wayyy over my head.

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sequoya
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Awesome work, everyone! And Xkeeper, your explanation page is really helpful Smile So glad this was solved, I was so out of my depth on that one. I almost don't want to ask, but... can we apply a similar mechanism to the other picture, the one of Kekkonen? Perhaps on a different sort, though?
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AUZ505
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@xkeeper

your decoding should also work for the nekkonke image (at least after chnaging the color channels). Could you give it a try?
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Arenhart
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I used xkeeper's solution on the nekkonke, and it worked (though it was based on the blue channel, are we to expect a third green message?) the provides a qr code that leads to an url, the url has an inverted text that, once reversed yelds apparently no clue... I post it below.

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TS:2051-06-30-23-59-60The mutations that happen to the messages that are sent back in time make it really difficult to warn about the LOLCat Apocalypse. We can only hope that these messages are found and solved before it is too late. There are also other limitations in the non-causal messaging exploit besides the multiple different mutations that might happen to the messages. For example, it is impossible to determine exactly the place and the time where the sent message appears


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Arenhart
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So what leads are left to follow?

I am currently working on that face modelling thing. So far it seems more like an algorithm problem than a riddle. Anyway, this is what I got:

Uphill techniques is a least squares algorithm, wich means it tries to get the lower possible sums of the square of difference between the data (original image) and the model(be the ellipses, or a copy of the image with simplified colours). This difference can be any numerical property of the data.

The closest application of an uphill method in this context that I found is, as was mentioned by somenone before, in image segregation. What I found were methods to separete a full colour image in a limited group of regions that have similar colours, in a way that the parameters of each group are defined so that the collors grouped together are as similar as possible.

Now, this particular algorith doesen't seem very useful for this, first becouse it segregates the regions based solely on theyr colour, and not on position, so, for exemple, both eyes would be put in the same "white" group, but this wouldn't be useful when assignin the ellipses, as it would take the mass center of the eyes and turn the man into a cyclops. And second becouse this colour segregation could be trivially achieved by simply applying a selective gaussian filter in the image, and then manually limiting the levels of gray.

The real problem is assigning the ellipses, which could benefit from an uphill algorithm, but I believe it needs a good initial set of ellipses before it begins optimizing... So after limiting the number of coulours, the algorithm could identify isolated groups of colours and from the isolated groups of same colour assign the initial ellipses.

Now, this is quite a lot of work, so, does anybody has a more practical idea?

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Jim Sawyer
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Hey, just caught up on this, looks interesting. Just out of curiosity, has anyone gone and checked out the book from the Library? I know it was suggested that there may be another playing card there but what if there is actually a clue in the suggested page. The book is about computer organization so maybe there's something in there about the facial recognition algorithms or something...

Side note: I thought Richard Exaltego might be another anagram and I picked out the words Rich Alter Ego but that leaves the letters 'adx' which doesn't really make a lot of sense. Dunno

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Arenhart wrote:
I used xkeeper's solution on the nekkonke, and it worked (though it was based on the blue channel, are we to expect a third green message?) the provides a qr code that leads to an url, the url has an inverted text that, once reversed yelds apparently no clue... I post it below.

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TS:2051-06-30-23-59-60The mutations that happen to the messages that are sent back in time make it really difficult to warn about the LOLCat Apocalypse. We can only hope that these messages are found and solved before it is too late. There are also other limitations in the non-causal messaging exploit besides the multiple different mutations that might happen to the messages. For example, it is impossible to determine exactly the place and the time where the sent message appears


Nice, Arenhart. Out of interest, what was the url of that page? They've all been anagrams so far - for example, the one for the Mona Lisa solution is emdaer.html, presumably "remade".

Jim Sawyer, as far as I know noone has gone to the library yet, we haven't heard anything from GuestUser17's contact in Helsinki recently! Smile Should we try and find someone else in that area?
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Arenhart
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sequoya wrote:


Nice, Arenhart. Out of interest, what was the url of that page? They've all been anagrams so far - for example, the one for the Mona Lisa solution is emdaer.html, presumably "remade".


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from the QR code:
http://goo.gl/EnZjE
that leads to:
http://stoptoilworndiamond.co.nf/ootemdaer.html


remade too? or an edema root? (gotta love those anagram solvers...)

But I think it's just reversed, like the text, which yields "read me" and "read me too"

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Arenhart wrote:

But I think it's just reversed, like the text, which yields "read me" and "read me too"


Ha, that makes more sense!

Beth has a new post for us with a slightly odd clue:

Quote:

It has been a quiet morning at the office so I was able to do some lurking. My heart was racing when I sneaked in to Richard's office and found this scribbled on a piece of paper:

the
llama
escapes
Soon
inside

I wanted to continue sniffing around, but I heard his key turning in the lock! Luckily I managed to hide in his mahogany closet until he left to get some coffee.


It's a pointer towards a URL:

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http://goo.gl/tleSi


Which contains a ceiling cat picture and a new piece of text in the source:

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TS:2036-06-30-23-59-60
For the profiling, they needed a lot of personal data. After Richard and Buck heard about the "World Wide Web" and saw the first page (http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html), they were thrilled. They quickly decided that they would focus on getting all the information they need for the profiling from the internet. They assumed that the internet would be a place where people would submit only things that are genuine and true. They were big fans of the IIOTIIMBT (if it's on the internet, it must be true) ideology and decided that they can do the whole profiling based on how people behave on the internet. In the beginning of the new millennium, they already had a system that would mine data from all over the internet and form a register of people. Basically everything that anyone ever posted, ended up in Avecira's register.


Does the image have something hidden in it?
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Richard Exaltego in an email wrote:
I'm turning to you as I have encountered a little problem. A little while ago we got a hint that something important was hidden inside a book in a certain library. Well, one person who has been helping us volunteered and picked a some kind of card from the library. This went exactly as planned… apart from the fact that the person hasn't given me the card (or even a photo) yet.

As you specialize in all kind of solutions regarding staff, and have a nice certificate to back that up, I was wondering if you could help. Do you have any idea how I could persuade her to give me the card? The good news is that she claimed that she hasn't shown it to anyone else either, but for some reason she doesn't fully trust me!

Would Guestuser's Finnish friend now be wasting her time in the library? My feeling is Yes 'tho that's about as baseless as the wacky MD 'certificate' (with specialty in proprietary psychotropic solutions) I submitted to gain Richard's trust. Will try to find out who Richard's "she" is but he is usually quite cagey. All suggestions welcome

sequoya wrote:
Does the image have something hidden in it?

Hi! Could be. The cat.png is massively KB larger than a "ceilingcat" (Pls Click) found at TinEye & has a different (spiked & embedded) color profile. Iamthor generously gave me some photoshop tips he used for his masterful "yellow cat" solve. They haven't brought anything useful to the surface so am hoping he's still here to assist.

ETA: Also tried "Camouflage" & Mobilefish for steganography with zero success. And Mega Props @Xkeeper which I already gave in a comment at Beth's blog.
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