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aidansean
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onetruepurple wrote:
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#12 coming before #2

THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENS FUCKS SAKE!


aidansean wrote:
mostly I haven't arranged the Summer of 2006 in any consistent order yet


Literally one of the first things I said was that Summer 2006 is not in order yet. Getting the order right is not a trivial thing to do, so I'm going to make version 2 tonight with a more consistent order.

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 		Wonderful work!
But there are some things I need to point out:

The first one is more a question: I've always thought that Alex attacked First Tim, and that's why when he takes Brian to the hospital Tim is there. Wasn't like this, then?

Second: In Fragments (T2) you've said that "Totheark talks about Jay being broken". I don't know if it was a typo or something, but I think it is pretty clear that he is talking about Alex, since the broken fotograph shows Alex and not Jay.

I am sorry if it is wrong. Anyway, thank you for doing that ^^
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 		Nice. There are a few "up in the air" instances I can see (such as entry 4 and 70 coming before 3) but nothing major. Mad props for all the hard work put into this

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aidansean
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 		Thanks to everyone for their feedback! Based on this I've made the following changes:

I moved "Session: back to the season 3 era.

I removed the reference to Rocky disappearing.

I reordered Season 1 to match the Comprehensive Timeline in the wiki (adding Entry #70 after Entry #13) and I spaced the videos out as evenly as possible.

At this point I think that discussion of the timeline should go into the timeline thread.

Kraehtot wrote:
The first one is more a question: I've always thought that Alex attacked First Tim, and that's why when he takes Brian to the hospital Tim is there. Wasn't like this, then?


Oh yes, I didn't even try to get the Summer 2006 chronology right in the first version. It was already 3am and I was very tired! I've fixed it for Version 2 though.

Kraehtot wrote:
Second: In Fragments (T2) you've said that "Totheark talks about Jay being broken". I don't know if it was a typo or something, but I think it is pretty clear that he is talking about Alex, since the broken fotograph shows Alex and not Jay.


Hmm, I agree that this was a photo of Alex, but I always thought the video was directed towards Jay. Okay, for version 3 I'll just say "totheark leaves another message" or something like that, and let the reader decide what it means!

If I get some time I'll make the timeline editable, so that anyone can go in, change the dates/times of a given scene, and then generate their own image.[/list]

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 		Haven't read it all yet but 3 mistakes I saw:
1. "Tweetpocalypse" refers to Jay's breakdown prior to the upload of #37, not #21.
2. The last part of #52 was filmed 3 months before #53, not in 2010.
3. Jay doesn't fail to get to the other side of the tunnel in #50. The camera malfunctions on his way back.

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Hazman wrote:
Serum wrote:
Hazman wrote:

It's labeled first as chronologically it was recorded first. We don't know when it was filmed, and unlikely to find out as it's not when it was filmed, but the message edited on top of it that matters in that video. It does mention Alex's dog going missing. The list is when the entry's were filmed, rather than released dates.


But the one ToTheArk video was of footage from World War II, how does that predate what could easily be footage from the 50s or possibly 60s? And when do they mention Rusty the dog going missing?


What ToTheArk is from WWII? It says Rocky goes missing between entry 17 and entry 1 in the 2006 session of filming the videos.


There was a ToTheArk video that contained footage of battleships during WWII. And I meant when does Marble Hornets (not the infographic made here, but the actual thing) in what entry do they say the dog went missing?

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aidansean wrote:
In Entry #2 Alex mentions that he saw slendy as he took Rocky for a walk. Later on there's no sign of Rocky at Alex's house (even though he would have been a very good slender alarm.) In Entry #15 Tim mentions that dead animals appeared on Alex's lawn, and in season 2 totheark shows footage of a reanimated dog lung. Putting all that together I concluded that Alex's dog was killed by the operator at some point, and it must have happened after Entry #2 but before Entry #1.

Unfortunately, that falls under unfounded speculation. Unless Alex says that his dog died at some point in the timeline before he moves away in 2006, for all we know he gave the dog away to a friend or neighbor.

Regarding TTA's stock footage videos, the simplest explanation is that he created the videos shortly after the MH videos to which they are responses. Any other explanation is neither more or less valid than that baseline theory. The time when the stock footage was created is irrelevant, unless those events themselves are purported to be related to the narrative.

aidansean wrote:
M1 = Marble Hornets Season 1, T2 = totheark Season 2 etc. This was written out in full in the first version, but it just looked cluttered.

This works. Not entirely sure if it's important, since the entries are largely numbered, but I like the idea.

aidansean wrote:
I removed the reference to Rocky disappearing.

This resolves my concerns on the dog.

aidansean wrote:
I reordered Season 1 to match the Comprehensive Timeline in the wiki (adding Entry #70 after Entry #13) and I spaced the videos out as evenly as possible.

Keep in mind that even that list is highly speculative.

The main reason I called for a new discussion on the timeline was that I started thinking some of the new information from Season 3 might shake up what we thought previously. Basically, I wanted to build a fresh community consensus on the order of events, whichever way it may go. If we're okay with how it stands, that's fine too.

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BranRainey wrote:
Haven't read it all yet but 3 mistakes I saw:
1. "Tweetpocalypse" refers to Jay's breakdown prior to the upload of #37, not #21.
2. The last part of #52 was filmed 3 months before #53, not in 2010.
3. Jay doesn't fail to get to the other side of the tunnel in #50. The camera malfunctions on his way back.


Thanks! I've fixed points 1 and 2, and if you look closely you'll notice that I didn't say that Jay didn't get across to the other side in Entry #50 Wink

I've also added the parts where the chestcam, camera case, an external hard drive change hands, Jay's knife gets stolen and Alex's gun gets stolen. I've also filled in the rest of the tape acquisition, corrected a few locations towards the end, and added a few more key events. Now on version 3.

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Zarggg wrote:
The main reason I called for a new discussion on the timeline was that I started thinking some of the new information from Season 3 might shake up what we thought previously. Basically, I wanted to build a fresh community consensus on the order of events, whichever way it may go. If we're okay with how it stands, that's fine too.


To help with the ordering of Season 1 I've made a page that allows us to rearrange the order of entries and remake the timeline. 2006 timeline editor (This has only been tested in firefox and Chrome, and it only generates saveable images on firefox.)

To edit the timeline, scroll down to the bottom where you can change the timestamps and descriptions of the scenes. The scenes are associated with youtube videos, so that information gets filled in automatically. The scripts have to download lots of images, so there's a 10 second delay between generating a new timeline and saving the image. (When you first load the page the image will be blank until the 10 seconds have elapsed.) Happy timeline rewriting!

For those feeling even braver there's also the complete timeline editor. (Note that this page can crash your browser, and at 30,000 pixels in height it's close to the limit for what the canvas can do!) For those who want to look "under the hood" you can view source to see the javascript, which is a little disorganised. The information is stored in a huge javascript file. If anyone wants to download these scripts and make edits you're welcome to do so. If you want to be able to save the images once you're finished you need to make all the files come from the same domain, for security reasons.

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Zarggg wrote:
aidansean wrote:
I removed the reference to Rocky disappearing.

This resolves my concerns on the dog.


Yeah, me too-- because I don't recall any mention of the dog other than Entry 2 when Alex said that Rusty was barking at the tall guy...

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Serum wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
aidansean wrote:
I removed the reference to Rocky disappearing.

This resolves my concerns on the dog.


Yeah, me too-- because I don't recall any mention of the dog other than Entry 2 when Alex said that Rusty was barking at the tall guy...

Because in entry #15 Tim mentions how someone was leaving dead animals in Alex's yard (and Jay even asks if Tim meant pets, like cats or dogs), some people came to the conclusion that Rocky was among the dead animals, which explains why it was never heard of again.

Personally I think it's one of those 'not planned properly' things from season 1, but that explanation works for me too. It's not like the dead animals (or Rocky for that matter) are relevant any way.

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 		Why is the totheark video "Exit" dated as June 17th, 2006, but Entry #13 dated as June 5th, 2006? They take place on the same day, probably within a few minutes, seeing as it's showing Jay get the batteries from the car from #13. Am I missing something? Could just be a mistake, I guess.

Really nice timeline, though. Really organized and pleasing to look at. Cool

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sweetgums wrote:
Serum wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
aidansean wrote:
I removed the reference to Rocky disappearing.

This resolves my concerns on the dog.


Yeah, me too-- because I don't recall any mention of the dog other than Entry 2 when Alex said that Rusty was barking at the tall guy...

Because in entry #15 Tim mentions how someone was leaving dead animals in Alex's yard (and Jay even asks if Tim meant pets, like cats or dogs), some people came to the conclusion that Rocky was among the dead animals, which explains why it was never heard of again.

Personally I think it's one of those 'not planned properly' things from season 1, but that explanation works for me too. It's not like the dead animals (or Rocky for that matter) are relevant any way.


A precocious, but dangerous assumption. Didn't they mention the "dead animals" again in a recent entry?

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A precocious, but dangerous assumption. Didn't they mention the "dead animals" again in a recent entry?

Really? I honestly can't remember. Anyone can confirm that?

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 		aidansean, here is my take on 2006 timeline:

Oransel wrote:
I updated my timeline for 2006 in Marble Hornets

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
*preparations for the shooting of film begin*
Theory (possible entry missing): something attracts The Operator to Marble Hornets, first encounter
#5 - They scout area, TO is watching from distance
#17 - They are in safety of the house, TO continues watching and experiments with memory wiping
#20 - Tim gets worse from hidden exposition to TO, memories wiped again
#54 - Another assault on Alex's house, probably TO made open exposure to check reaction and wipes the memories
*shootings begin*
#12 - TO decides to make open appearance, but does not wipe memories, probably hides before anyone can understand he is not human
#2 - Alex decides to check for this tall guy because he saw him earlier
Theory (possible entry missing): something happens, which leads Alex to pursue of TO to the playground
#4 - playground scene
#55 - Tim mentions Rosswood
#70 - Alex follows TO demanding him to stop stalking
#13 - TO continues to attack
#7 - Alex abandons any thought on fighting TO
#3 - Alex gets paranoid
#9, #8, #1, #6, #10, #11, #14 - more stalking and paranoia
Theory (possible entry missing): TO succeeds in breaking Alex's spirit, Alex has blood on his face
*near the end of the film shooting*
#56 - bye, Tim
#57 - more Tim suffer
#51 - bye, Brian
Theory (possible entry missing): Alex does something to Sarah
*Alex decides to burn tapes and leave College Town. He separates them on "very important" and "less important"*
#71 - Jay takes "less important" tapes, Alex attacks Jay
#22 (pt.1) - bye, Seth
#22 (pt.2) - confession
*Alex leaves College Town*




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