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aidansean
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Oransel wrote:

aidansean, here is my take on 2006 timeline:

Thanks, I've timelined it for you.

Xman wrote:

Why is the totheark video "Exit" dated as June 17th, 2006, but Entry #13 dated as June 5th, 2006? They take place on the same day, probably within a few minutes, seeing as it's showing Jay get the batteries from the car from #13. Am I missing something? Could just be a mistake, I guess.

Thanks, that's now fixed! I updated the Marble Hornets videos to match the "Comprehensive Timeline", but didn't update the totheark videos. Stupid Aidan.

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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:31 am

Oransel
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aidansean wrote:

Oransel wrote:

aidansean, here is my take on 2006 timeline:

Thanks, I've timelined it for you.

Thank you! Do you think it's legit or you would correct some things?

Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 6:00 pm

ledzepfilm
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Where's Decline?

Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 7:43 pm

aidansean
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ledzepfilm wrote:

Where's Decline?

Aha! Not explicitly in the comprehensive, so I missed it. Thanks, that's now been added.

Oransel wrote:

Thank you! Do you think it's legit or you would correct some things?

I think it mostly works. There are a few points that I would have probably put in a different order. For the "first encounter" I think this must have involved a camera somehow, to me Entry #26 tells us that using a tainted camera = getting the attention of the operator. I used to think that Entry #13 could have been the first encounter, because Alex seems surprised to see the operator symbol on the ground, and it seems to be first time he came across it by accident. Also, if totheark is following the operator around they would just as easily film Jay as Alex, since they don't know who is more curious about the operator in the first encounter. Then again Entry #2 wouldn't make much sense, unless Alex got memory wiped in Entry #13. ("I saw this guy with no face standing near an abandoned swimming pool. Then I saw a tall guy near a street light. The tall guy looked more suspicious to me...")

I like how you arranged the end of the Summer so that Alex moved house twice. Do you think this means he tried to get rid of Brian, then stayed in his house, then Entry #22 happened and he decided to flee?

Overall I think this works nicely. Given what you did with the ending I might revise the ending of 2006 in the "big" timeline to match what you have. It seems to make more sense.

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:39 am

ledzepfilm
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Also, what about the scenes in Entry 67 where Hoody draws the gun in the forest, and when Tim wakes up near the mask and walks away?

And for Advocate, that should be with Entry 7 in the timeline, because the footage featured in the tta video are different than what actually appears in the entry.

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:53 am

Oransel
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aidansean wrote:

Oransel wrote:

Thank you! Do you think it's legit or you would correct some things?

First encounter is perhaps the most important event of the whole series. Entries we have today can't give the reliable answer on what video was first to capture The Operator, unfortunately. I think that is one of those entries Alex kept for himself and here is why. We know for sure that some entries depict the events of preparations/actual shootings/near the end of shootings (which actually structures my timeline). #5 is obviously the first chronological entry we have because it is the earliest preparation for shootings and guess what? It has The Operator. So either #5 is the first (which ruins the internal logic of the series both IG and OOG) or the first encounter was not shown yet.

Largest problems with my timeline are "memory wipes" which are there to make excuses for characters not to see The Operator in the plain sight of #17 and #54. Theoretical entries are just that - filling the obvious gapes in the narrative. I bet that one of the next entries would show either: 1) Alex pursuing The Operator to the playground, 2) the first encounter, 3) how Alex turned evil at some time after #14. I am not sure if Alex has dealt with Sarah or spared her because it looks like he decided to spare Jay and would have let him live if Jay would not be so insisting on watching the tapes.

aidansean wrote:

I like how you arranged the end of the Summer so that Alex moved house twice. Do you think this means he tried to get rid of Brian, then stayed in his house, then Entry #22 happened and he decided to flee?

Thank you. In short, yes, but I would significantly increase the length between the events of Tim/Brian removal and attack on Jay.

I think that Alex made decision to leave at the same time he decided to attack some of his friends. He moved Tim and Brian to seemingly unrelated Rosswood town relatively far away, attacked them there, made sure they would not appear in his life again (The Operator would make the work for him) and moved back to College Town so there would be no traces which would link him to this crime. In short he wanted to calm things down a bit. He waited for some time, preparing to leave to Rosswood forever, but then Jay came and Alex had to deal with him and by extension Seth (to be sure that Jay's incident would not repeat again with Seth) and possibly Sarah. Then he had to act real quick so he finally moved.

aidansean wrote:

Overall I think this works nicely. Given what you did with the ending I might revise the ending of 2006 in the "big" timeline to match what you have. It seems to make more sense.

Thank you for your work! Perhaps you should send your final timeline to Jay and see what happens Wink

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 12:39 pm

aidansean
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Oransel wrote:

#5 is obviously the first chronological entry we have because it is the earliest preparation for shootings and guess what? It has The Operator. So either #5 is the first (which ruins the internal logic of the series both IG and OOG) or the first encounter was not shown yet.

To be honest I'm not sure I'd agree with that. For a while now I've been considering what it would mean if Entry #5 is not first in the chronology. It would seem like a big coincidence if Alex turns up that the Red Tower by accident if it was Tim that brought the operator into the story. It's possible that Alex woke up at the Red Tower at some point and then went back with Jay for "scouting" so that he wasn't alone when he was there. One of the problems with the Entry #5 is that if it is the first encounter then that probably happened at the Red Tower (as nothing interesting happened at the Gazebo), but the Red Tower scene happens after the Gazebo scene. For now it makes sense to put Entry #5 very close to the start, but I'm keeping an open mind, and hoping for a revelation on the next tape.

Oransel wrote:

Perhaps you should send your final timeline to Jay and see what happens Wink

Oh dear, that would be very stalky! "Hi Jay! I made a timeline of your life for my own personal enjoyment. Isn't it pretty? PS You should get a nicer hat, one that complements your eyes and sideburns."

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 12:34 pm

Oransel
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aidansean wrote:

Oransel wrote:

Agreed. That's why I said that I don't think that entry #5 is the first chronological one - it ruins logic of the series.

aidansean wrote:

Oransel wrote:

Perhaps you should send your final timeline to Jay and see what happens Wink

Heh, I have not thought about that. However, considering state of his memory right now...

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 1:09 pm

SignerJ
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Oransel wrote:

Theory (possible entry missing): TO succeeds in breaking Alex's spirit, Alex has blood on his face
*near the end of the film shooting*
#56 - bye, Tim
#57 - more Tim suffer
#51 - bye, Brian
Theory (possible entry missing): Alex does something to Sarah
*Alex decides to burn tapes and leave College Town. He separates them on "very important" and "less important"*
#71 - Jay takes "less important" tapes, Alex attacks Jay
#22 (pt.1) - bye, Seth
#22 (pt.2) - confession
*Alex leaves College Town*

I'm pretty certain that Seth should be with Tim and Brian. It just doesn't make sense for Alex to take out Tim and Brian, pack up everything, give Jay the tapes, and then take out Seth.
How would Alex have even gotten Seth to the basement? It makes more sense to me that Alex took Seth there under the pretense of MH filming, which would help explain how Seth was so unprepared. But this couldn't work if Alex got rid of Seth after giving Jay the tapes -- another reason that Seth's elimination should be with Tim's and Brian's. Not sure where, though.

EDIT: Nevermind, the Timeline has it correct.

EDIT2: Instead of saying "Alex sends Jay a tape containing Entry #26", I'd suggest "Jay receives a tape containing Entry #26." It's not certain that Alex sent the package, and I actually think that it was ToTheArk. It's probably best just to not name the sender.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:59 pm

Oransel
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SignerJ wrote:

Oransel wrote:

Theoretically, Alex could have eliminated Tim and Brian and decided to spare everyone else. Then Jay comes, Alex snaps and decides that the best way is to finish everyone off, just to be sure.

Your correction makes sense, though. Especially the part about filming excuse to take out Seth.

Still, there was a lot of blood in that basement and I always thought that Alex persuaded Seth to go with him and investigate what happened to the Sarah/something else. Besides, Seth could not have prepared for what happened to him - Alex does not attack Seth himself. Also, Alex is wearing exactly the same clothes in the confession which happens to be placed exactly after the basement part. Pay attention to the Alex's speech - Seth abduction happened right before the confession and Alex mentions Jay as "gone".

But again, your version is equally right and does make a lot of sense.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 4:33 pm

aidansean
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Oransel wrote:

aidansean wrote:

Oransel wrote:

#5 is obviously the first chronological entry we have because it is the earliest preparation for shootings...

To be honest I'm not sure I'd agree with that...

Agreed. That's why I said that I don't think that entry #5 is the first chronological one - it ruins logic of the series.

Ah, sorry, I should probably be clearer with what I meant. Entry #5 doesn't even need to be first in the entries we currently have. It could be that Entry #5 happened after Entry #17, for example. We already know Jay lost lots of his memory of this period, so Alex could have taken Jay location scouting later in the timeline, and just didn't have the opportunity to whack him on the head and leave him for the operator. But until we know better, Entry #5 should probably stay at the start of the timeline.

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 9:40 am

aidansean
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Oransel wrote:

Stupid question time: Is the portal to the Basement is in Brian's house? That's what Entry #23 strongly suggests, and what Alex's confession suggests as well.

It would be quite neat if Tim came along and shared a house with Brian, and brought the operator with him. Then Alex gets involved and gets stalked by the operator. He gets rid of Tim and Brian then moves into Brian's house. He finds out that the operator is there already and when people start to get suspicious he takes them down to the Basement, conveniently solving his problems. He took his camera with him when he took Seth there, allowing him to remember what happened, and when he found out he fled town... to Rosswood of all places.

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 9:47 am

aidansean
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SignerJ wrote:

EDIT2: Instead of saying "Alex sends Jay a tape containing Entry #26", I'd suggest "Jay receives a tape containing Entry #26." It's not certain that Alex sent the package, and I actually think that it was ToTheArk. It's probably best just to not name the sender.

Good point! I'll regenerate the image with this change shortly.

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 9:48 am

Marble Hornets
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aidansean wrote:

Oransel wrote:

We don't know where the basement is. It's implied Jay teleported there in 23, and doesn't look like all that machinery would be in the basement of a house. Plus, we know the hospital has a basement, so it's possible that's where it is. They refuse to comment on it though, so we probably won't know until it's all over.

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:30 am

McGregor
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Marble Hornets wrote:

aidansean wrote:

Oransel wrote:

That's why aidansean said "the portal" and not the basement.

Yes, the portal was in Brian's house. And I'm pretty sure it's generally accepted that the basement is in the hospital both IG and OOG. Both because Tim mentions the hospital having basement access. And Alex mentions to Brian that he was there, or was going there with Seth.

And:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

There was photo confirmation that the basement was in fact in that hospital. It was posted a few times in the past, can't remember where exactly though.

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:14 pm

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