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aidansean
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DHawk314 wrote:
I think you're forgetting that Jessica was holding the camera with her right hand. She has the gun in her left hand, doesn't, and then she has the flashlight in her left hand, but the camera's in her right hand the whole time.


Maybe she used her... third hand? In any case I don't think it matters much- by the end of the entry Alex has the gun and it probably doesn't really matter at what point he got it. I've attached a grainy image of when Jessica turns back to see Hoody and Alex, and I can't see a gun on the floor. The picture is very grainy though, so who knows?
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That's interesting, Bruce's murder being the last thing we saw from Alex's point of view. That's a really legit reason for Alex to decide to quit filming his actions, actually.

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Sha Noran wrote:
That's interesting, Bruce's murder being the last thing we saw from Alex's point of view. That's a really legit reason for Alex to decide to quit filming his actions, actually.


Yeah, that made me laugh actually! Smile As if Alex thought "Dang, I killed someone, and left the camera rolling. Again." Then again I'm convinced Alex also filmed Entry #29 immediately after he realised, so perhaps I should have added that to the timeline and got flamed from people!

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aidansean wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:
That's interesting, Bruce's murder being the last thing we saw from Alex's point of view. That's a really legit reason for Alex to decide to quit filming his actions, actually.


Yeah, that made me laugh actually! Smile As if Alex thought "Dang, I killed someone, and left the camera rolling. Again." Then again I'm convinced Alex also filmed Entry #29 immediately after he realised, so perhaps I should have added that to the timeline and got flamed from people!


Well, you know I agree with you about that when it comes to Entry 29. I have no idea what other explanation could even possibly make sense.

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Yeah, the only time Jay had the chestcam that isn't documented is when he was teleported by the Operator in 52, but he didn't take the handheld camera with him. Whoever is filming in 52 has a handheld, so it just has to be Alex, probably while Jay stole the tape with Brian on it in 50. People act like it's really mysterious and incongruous with no possible answer, but it just seems like Alex returning to the crime scene to me.
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DHawk314 wrote:
Yeah, the only time Jay had the chestcam that isn't documented is when he was teleported by the Operator in 52, but he didn't take the handheld camera with him. Whoever is filming in 52 has a handheld, so it just has to be Alex, probably while Jay stole the tape with Brian on it in 50. People act like it's really mysterious and incongruous with no possible answer, but it just seems like Alex returning to the crime scene to me.


Yeah, this. It makes me laugh when I still see people reference 29 as a fatty mystery.

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Well the tlimeline is updated for Entry #82, but for some reason it won't upload, so I'll come back to that in a few hours. It's starting to get really strained now- if we're to believe that Tim went to Jay's car the day after Jay got taken then Tim is currently 10 weeks behind with his uploading!

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aidansean wrote:
Well the tlimeline is updated for Entry #82, but for some reason it won't upload, so I'll come back to that in a few hours. It's starting to get really strained now- if we're to believe that Tim went to Jay's car the day after Jay got taken then Tim is currently 10 weeks behind with his uploading!


Maybe he shouldn't be smoking those DOOBIES in a VAN, down by the RIVER!

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This is EXACTLY what I needed for this series, and if you do finish this all the way through, I would absolutely be willing to pay to get a poster of this (assuming it's all within the rights and whatnot with Troy/Joseph) - it would be fantastic to have on my wall! Very Happy

With that said, here are some errors/improvements I noticed whilst going through Timeline (#16).

1) Episode #50 is coloured as if it came from Alex's hard drive which it in fact doesn't as far as I'm aware. When looking through the timeline it makes no sense as to how it would've ended up on Alex's hard drive since it's an entry that's entirely shot by Jay.

From the timeline:

2/10 - 10: Jay and Alex walk in the wood + stealing of the tape from Alex's place. Entry #50 is being shot.

[stuffs]

22/11 - 10: Jay and Jessica are lead to the barn by Alex, who draws a gun on them. They flee. Jay steals the chestcam and the hard drive. He goes back to the hotel where he continues to hide his tapes + the hard drive in the safe.

In my opinion there's nothing to indicate that he took his own shot (Entry #50) which is shot on tape to begin with, and somehow got that to end up on the hard drive.

2) The TTA Video "Conversion" doesn't have any colour coded information box, which every other video has. Usually, all videos have colour coded boxes from when/where they were recorded and what they contain/consist of and then later a blue box to indicate upload. If recording is not relevant they have a colour coded box at time of upload. However, "Conversion" only has a blue box, indicating that the pink colour coded box with info of recording place/date/what it contains is already mentioned - whilst it has no info on it given anywhere.

EDIT: In fact, this holds true for more than one TTA video, so maybe I misunderstood this part.

3) The gray line of TTA is incorrect in between Extraction --> Filming Jay outside of antique shop (Shooting reminder) --> Reminder release. His line, if I've understood it correctly, is supposed to go in to the left, and pass by the box of shooting reminder, and then out again to the right to go to the blue box to show release of reminder. At the moment, it goes straight from release of Extraction --> release of Reminder. Meaning if I was to attempt to follow TTA's timeline, I'd be missing information on when he shot Reminder.

Now that I'm looking it through, unless I've heavily misunderstood something the TTA line is missing a lot of its boxes also further up. Even from the very beginning, I would expect the TTA line to go from the blue "TTA films Jay" to the pink "Exit" box, but it doesn't. The TTA line just starts at 2006 and then goes all the way along the right side down to the creation of the TTA channel, even though TTA was active in between (filming Jay). Did I misunderstand how the lines work?

4) Alex burning the tapes in the static hole, is placed under Rosswood although the static hole is in fact near the Red Tower, which is in CollegeTown, isn't it?

5) The entry of Hoody returning the camera to Jay (the one at 30/4 - 10) is incorrectly colour coded with TTA colours.


Other than that, I can't find any major flaws/incorrect things at the moment. But I'd be more than happy to go through it carefully again and help as best as I can to make it absolutely perfect. Let me know if I can help with anything specific Smile

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Hey, thanks for the comments! Replies in the text:

Wondertje wrote:
1) Episode #50 is coloured as if it came from Alex's hard drive which it in fact doesn't as far as I'm aware. When looking through the timeline it makes no sense as to how it would've ended up on Alex's hard drive since it's an entry that's entirely shot by Jay.


Yep, that's definitely a typo! All the data entry is done by hand, so there are mistakes every now and then, and this is one of them. Fixed. Thanks for catching this.

Wondertje wrote:
2) The TTA Video "Conversion" doesn't have any colour coded information box, which every other video has. Usually, all videos have colour coded boxes from when/where they were recorded and what they contain/consist of and then later a blue box to indicate upload. If recording is not relevant they have a colour coded box at time of upload. However, "Conversion" only has a blue box, indicating that the pink colour coded box with info of recording place/date/what it contains is already mentioned - whilst it has no info on it given anywhere.

EDIT: In fact, this holds true for more than one TTA video, so maybe I misunderstood this part.


Yeah, totheark is a constant source of confusion for this timeline. I think I turned this into an "event" because I was running out of space. (A very large timeline causes memory problems and stops the canvas from being rendered.) I keep hitting space limits, so I have to keep tweaking the timeline to fit everything in. In any case I've updated this to show a "scene" instead.

Wondertje wrote:
3) The gray line of TTA is incorrect in between Extraction --> Filming Jay outside of antique shop (Shooting reminder) --> Reminder release. His line, if I've understood it correctly, is supposed to go in to the left, and pass by the box of shooting reminder, and then out again to the right to go to the blue box to show release of reminder. At the moment, it goes straight from release of Extraction --> release of Reminder. Meaning if I was to attempt to follow TTA's timeline, I'd be missing information on when he shot Reminder.

Now that I'm looking it through, unless I've heavily misunderstood something the TTA line is missing a lot of its boxes also further up. Even from the very beginning, I would expect the TTA line to go from the blue "TTA films Jay" to the pink "Exit" box, but it doesn't. The TTA line just starts at 2006 and then goes all the way along the right side down to the creation of the TTA channel, even though TTA was active in between (filming Jay). Did I misunderstand how the lines work?


The totheark is handled has been... inconsistent. This is partly because totheark is probably several people, so following a single character line doesn't really much sense. The character lines are supposed to follow the person being filmed or the person behind the camera, so when totheark posts a video of a strobe light things get really messed up. Nobody is on camera, we don't know who filmed it, and we don't know where it is, so the only information the character line can give is "totheark still existed in order to pose this video", so that's what I've done for now.

When totheark recycles footage things get complicated again- should the timeline include the date of when the original footage was filmed, or the date that totheark uploaded it? Should the character lines of the characters in the original footage pass through that scene? I decided that this should be treated as new footage with no characters in it.

Whenever totheark gives us footage that we've never seen before (even though they may be recycling someone else's footage) I treat it as new. For all we know, most of the totheark footage from season 1 was filmed by Alex and totheark somehow got hold of it.

In the end it doesn't matter too much, since totheark is, strictly speaking, not necessary to the development of the plot, even though Jay does mention the channel a couple of times.

The totheark line should now pass through all totheark videos to show that he/she/they were still around. totheark was probably in CollegeTown for all of season 1, but I put them as "elsewhere" to be on the safe side, since they seem to be fairly mobile.

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4) Alex burning the tapes in the static hole, is placed under Rosswood although the static hole is in fact near the Red Tower, which is in CollegeTown, isn't it?


Yep! I recently refactored the code so that it reads in an xml file and this got screwed up in the process. Fixed now though.

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5) The entry of Hoody returning the camera to Jay (the one at 30/4 - 10) is incorrectly colour coded with TTA colours.


Fixed. Thanks!

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Other than that, I can't find any major flaws/incorrect things at the moment. But I'd be more than happy to go through it carefully again and help as best as I can to make it absolutely perfect. Let me know if I can help with anything specific Smile


Please keep the comments comings! I mostly update this thing when I get a few minutes of spare time (ie 2am) so there are quite a few mistakes/inconsistencies to clear up. In particular I should find the time to go through and make all the locations consistent, so that we can talk about "Hotel A" and "Hotel B" without getting confused etc.

Now that the timeline is made with xml it should in principle be possible for people to edit and make their own timelines. That's something I'm working on right now, but it's not a simple thing to do!

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Updated the timeline with Entry #83, because screw you, Troy, you can't break my precious infographic with your teleporting! Wink

Actually, thinking about it, I could make a timeline for just Entry #83. It would have a different image for each part of the teleportation sequence, but it could at least list them in order...

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Masky is extant through Entry #83. A few frames of Tim in Masky mode appear in the video.
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ledzepfilm wrote:
Masky is extant through Entry #83. A few frames of Tim in Masky mode appear in the video.


Ah thanks, fixed! Apparently we haven't seen Masky since Entry #65, and that was back in 2012.

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aidansean wrote:
ledzepfilm wrote:
Masky is extant through Entry #83. A few frames of Tim in Masky mode appear in the video.


Ah thanks, fixed! Apparently we haven't seen Masky since Entry #65, and that was back in 2012.


Since 2012, really? I suppose 76 was chronologically in the past. I find that relevant because it shows what a difference the pills really make in Tim's life. He's been struggling for literally years to keep it together, and when he has pills he's fine; without them he's a disaster. Tim was coughing in '06... Actually he had pills in '06 too.

Hey aidansean, you aren't gonna like this but I wonder if you can try something for me... You have set up on the timeline different lines for the cameras - who had them and used them when, right? That has led to interesting insight (i.e. proof of concept behind the existence of Entry 29). I wonder... Can you track the pills and who has them and when, the same way you might a camera? I think it would give interesting insight to TTA's motives and sanity level at any given time, specifically.

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Sha Noran wrote:
aidansean wrote:
ledzepfilm wrote:
Masky is extant through Entry #83. A few frames of Tim in Masky mode appear in the video.


Ah thanks, fixed! Apparently we haven't seen Masky since Entry #65, and that was back in 2012.


Since 2012, really? I suppose 76 was chronologically in the past. I find that relevant because it shows what a difference the pills really make in Tim's life. He's been struggling for literally years to keep it together, and when he has pills he's fine; without them he's a disaster. Tim was coughing in '06... Actually he had pills in '06 too.

Hey aidansean, you aren't gonna like this but I wonder if you can try something for me... You have set up on the timeline different lines for the cameras - who had them and used them when, right? That has led to interesting insight (i.e. proof of concept behind the existence of Entry 29). I wonder... Can you track the pills and who has them and when, the same way you might a camera? I think it would give interesting insight to TTA's motives and sanity level at any given time, specifically.


Here you go, I've attached the pills timeline! It only shows scenes where the pills are stolen/obtained. There are probably other entries that show the pills, but nothing interesting happens with them, so they're not included. The pills are very tricky to keep track of, because there are several bottles of them, and just because Hoody takes some pills from Tim it doesn't mean that Tim no longer has any. I might add all the scenes that have any mention of pills at all, to make it clearer.

Enjoy!

EDIT: Added Entry #72.
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