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Is the series snowballing into a anticlimatic ending?
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paladin181
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It certainly feels like they're stalling. I won't say they are, but it feels like they're trying to sort out how to get from "A" to "B" and are releasing entries periodically that basically tread water to keep us happy until they've figured it out.

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twistedpuppet
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Or, they don't want to rush it and fuck it up royally as others have in the past.

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S3:
- What's the meaning of the shack in Rosswood park?
- What did Hoody do with Jay in Entry #62? (probably connected to Jay's sleepwalking in Entry #24)

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Well, I don't know. Is it possible that they will royally screw this up or at least leave an unsatisfying number of unresolved mysteries? Absolutely.
(And I emphasize unsatisfying number. I think some unresolved mysteries can be fine, depending on a number of factors such as how important was it, would an answer have taken away from it in any way, did they at least know the answer themselves and maybe leave some subtle clues to it, etc.)

I am still optimistic that they'll follow through on their promises, but I'm not sure I see an end in sight at the moment. I don't think we'll have any idea of how far off the ending is until the moment the endgame (by which I mean the last few episodes where the story *hopefully* wraps up, not the final entry alone) really begins, and I don't think it's begun yet. Maybe it'll be right after these tapes, maybe it'll be a good 20 entries from now.

If they're going to give it at least another 15 entries or so, then I think they'd have time to start gradually accelerating the pace and still tie up the most important loose ends.

If, on the other hand, they try to finish by Entry #78 as some have suspected, then I feel like they'd have to either suddenly awkwardly rush through everything (which would leave an abrupt jump in the pacing and probably damage the effect of some of the reveals), or just leave some stuff unanswered.

On a side note, I don't know if we should be brushing off some of these entries as useless filler. Some of these may seem pointless on their own, but enhance the impact of a later episode by setting up the pieces of a bigger picture.

...I don't know if any of that (last part especially) made any sense whatsoever. My apologies if that was confusing at all, I'm posting on an empty stomach right now.

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To clarify my post on Page 1, I meant raise a bunch of questions that can be connected together like everything dealing with Hoodie, then another set of questions being raised for say, TTA. Then doing separate reveals or whatever so each set gets answered in a way

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Repeat this mantra(courtesy of MST3k): "It's just a show, I should really just relax."


Pet peeve soapbox time!

I absolutely fucking hate this mantra. I think it is one of the most backwards ways of thinking about art. If you ever say to yourself "It's just a <work>", you are wrong. Straight up wrong.

Art is meant to inspire emotional reactions, and you are supposed to get passionate about it. Strongly so. If you are actively suppressing something that you are passionate about - what the fuck are you doing that for? If you're passionate about it, fucking tell the world. If the show that you like has a bad episode, fucking rant about it. Explain why it was a bad episode, yammer on about how the show isn't as good as it once was. If we cannot be passionate about things and hold them to high standards and hope that they can deliver upon them, then why the fuck do we even bother watching, reading, listening, and playing?

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Lithp
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Entertainment.

I don't entirely agree with Twisted's mantra in general, but I'm more for it than against it. I often feel like people get way too fucking serious about things that just aren't meant to be taken that seriously.

You say it's art. Well, that's true, but there are a lot of different kinds of art. There's high art, low art, commercial art, child art, personal art, graphical art, etc. Pretty much any object made for aesthetic purposes is one form of "art" or another, but that doesn't mean that I should treat them all the same.

The reason I suppress my emotional reactions is because, when they get to an extreme high, they tend to block out reason. This might sound paradoxical, but some things I enjoy now, I would not enjoy if I allowed myself to get emotionally invested in them to an extreme extent. There are going to be times when they do things I don't like, but a bit of perspective helps keep me from throwing the baby out with the bathwater--& from annoying the shit out of everyone around me. And maybe if I allow that neutrality for a while, my opinion about it will become more informed, or even change.

So what about this specific scenario? Marble Hornets is definitely what I would call "light entertainment." It is made by amateur authors/film makers, with amateur equipment. While it has an intriguing plotline, at no point have they ever indicated that it's supposed to contain any deep, complex message. But the thing is, the people who freak out about Marble Hornets are few & far between. Most of us state our frustrations very reasonably, & they are frustrations that take into account Troy's, Joseph's, & Tim's limitations. We also tend to try to look for the silver lining. And on the other hand, 70+ entries in, I can understand if the people who have decided to drop Marble Hornets are a little miffed. Because there is some degree of emotional involvement to invest that much time into a series.

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Xicon wrote:
*emerges from lurking*

Quote:
Repeat this mantra(courtesy of MST3k): "It's just a show, I should really just relax."


Pet peeve soapbox time!

I absolutely fucking hate this mantra. I think it is one of the most backwards ways of thinking about art. If you ever say to yourself "It's just a <work>", you are wrong. Straight up wrong.

Art is meant to inspire emotional reactions, and you are supposed to get passionate about it. Strongly so. If you are actively suppressing something that you are passionate about - what the fuck are you doing that for? If you're passionate about it, fucking tell the world. If the show that you like has a bad episode, fucking rant about it. Explain why it was a bad episode, yammer on about how the show isn't as good as it once was. If we cannot be passionate about things and hold them to high standards and hope that they can deliver upon them, then why the fuck do we even bother watching, reading, listening, and playing?

*returns to lurking*
I make mods for Bethesda games. I make them for me. If others enjoy my work, that's great. But they get it as is. I make no promises of catering to anyone else's wants, needs, desires or demands. I do not care if you think that this feature sucks, or that feature could be better. Do I accept criticism and new ideas? Absolutely. But I don't owe anyone ANYTHING. Troy, Tim and Joseph don't OWE anyone anything. They owe themselves a great deal of respect and have a debt to themselves to go as far as they see fit to create this thing how they want. We may complain, but to say that you should rant when the quality dips, or that you should behave like a small child because your free entertainment isn't up to YOUR standards is ludicrous. Appreciate the art for what it is, and lament what it could be, but you don't get to DEMAND anything better until you're paying for it, which you won't be until it's all said and done and the DVDs go on sale for the current season.

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Xicon wrote:
*emerges from lurking*

Quote:
Repeat this mantra(courtesy of MST3k): "It's just a show, I should really just relax."


Pet peeve soapbox time!

I absolutely fucking hate this mantra. I think it is one of the most backwards ways of thinking about art. If you ever say to yourself "It's just a <work>", you are wrong. Straight up wrong.

Art is meant to inspire emotional reactions, and you are supposed to get passionate about it. Strongly so. If you are actively suppressing something that you are passionate about - what the fuck are you doing that for? If you're passionate about it, fucking tell the world. If the show that you like has a bad episode, fucking rant about it. Explain why it was a bad episode, yammer on about how the show isn't as good as it once was. If we cannot be passionate about things and hold them to high standards and hope that they can deliver upon them, then why the fuck do we even bother watching, reading, listening, and playing?

*returns to lurking*



Then you misunderstand the quote entirely. What it means, is relax and enjoy the show. To further define, it means appreciate the work of art AS IS. Would you walk up to Van Gough and tell him his painting looks a bit murky? No! You would appreciate the painting as it is. Not bitch about the smallest fucking detail while demanding to keep the painting in your home for free.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
Xicon wrote:
*emerges from lurking*

Quote:
Repeat this mantra(courtesy of MST3k): "It's just a show, I should really just relax."


Pet peeve soapbox time!

I absolutely fucking hate this mantra. I think it is one of the most backwards ways of thinking about art. If you ever say to yourself "It's just a <work>", you are wrong. Straight up wrong.

Art is meant to inspire emotional reactions, and you are supposed to get passionate about it. Strongly so. If you are actively suppressing something that you are passionate about - what the fuck are you doing that for? If you're passionate about it, fucking tell the world. If the show that you like has a bad episode, fucking rant about it. Explain why it was a bad episode, yammer on about how the show isn't as good as it once was. If we cannot be passionate about things and hold them to high standards and hope that they can deliver upon them, then why the fuck do we even bother watching, reading, listening, and playing?

*returns to lurking*



Then you misunderstand the quote entirely. What it means, is relax and enjoy the show. To further define, it means appreciate the work of art AS IS. Would you walk up to Van Gough and tell him his painting looks a bit murky? No! You would appreciate the painting as it is. Not bitch about the smallest fucking detail while demanding to keep the painting in your home for free.


I think in its original context the quote was telling the viewers not to obsess about logical problems and lack of realism in a comedic show that wasn't meant to be realistic in the slightest. I think so, anyway. Sounds like a sound advice, whether it is applicable in other contexts is not easy to say.

Now, re: Van Gogh. Of course I would walk up to him and tell him his stuff look murky as hell. Why on Earth not? Look at it. Complete mess. And the actual painting looks even worse.

Here's how it works: Van Gogh can paint in any way he likes. He can make his paintings murky, he can make them crisp. He can make them ugly, he can make them beautiful. Either way, he has the right to do that. What Van Gogh can not do, is expect me to like his work. I may or may not, it depends on my preferences.

I, on the other hand, can say whatever I want about his paintings. I can say they are spectacular, I can say they are garbage. I can praise every brushstroke, or I can bitch about every little thing. Even when he's giving it to me for free as a gift. What I can not do, is expect Van Gogh to agree with my criticism and change his work accordingly. He could say "Hey, you're right, I'll change it", or he could just shrug: that's entirely up to him. If I were paying him and if we had a contract of sorts, maybe I could boss him around and expect him to obey my every whim. Otherwise, no such luck. Still, I can bitch as much as I want if it makes me feel good. Van Gogh on the other hand can ignore me if he wants to.
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It's too early to tell if they are going to resolve everything nicely. We don't know how many entries are left and how long each of them are going to be, or even what they will contain. I know there are still many questions to be answered, but I think we should wait until we know the series is coming close to the end before we start making these anticlimactic ending predictions.

Another thing is, some of the smaller, more obscure questions probably won't be answered. And if they are, it will be indirectly. Personally, I don't think questions like: "What was the meaning of Alex's creepy story?" and "What is with the references to water?" and "What are the meaning of TTA's repeated signs?" will be answered.

And also, you have to remember that they aren't going to be answering every question individually and separately from each other. One event, one reveal, or one piece of dialogue can answer multiple questions.

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1. We do not know how many entries are left. It's entirely up to the Trosephim and from the looks of it, we would still get 5-10 entries or much more. Talking about the ending is premature at this point.

2. Would they deliberately screw us with anticlimatic ending and answer no questions at all? It is a possibility, but I trust MH team to do better than that and I am sure they would not let us, or at least me, down.

3. Entries are actually informative and add more and more relevant and new content to the series. That's the thing I can't understand from local critiques who are bitching complaining about plot not moving further. It's moving, perhaps too slow for someone, but it's nothing more than impatience on their part, actually.
Sure, Trosephim could make 2-3 hour long film in the summer of 2012 and skip season 3 altogether... But where is the fun in that? Marble Hornets is the webseries, not a film. Gradual, slow release of information is inevitable and makes it more interesting IMO.

4. Not all of the questions are equally striving for answers. Jessica, Totheark, character's motivations, final fate of everyone - those questions need answers badly and I would be very disappointed if they would not be explained. Largest question of the series - why The Operator started stalking MH crew could work both answered and unanswered. Revealing any additional info on his nature would spoil the series, though.

5. I think that plot would get faster and more revealing towards the end anyway.

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Yeah, that's kind of the point. I have no idea where they're going with this, it doesn't feel like there's any direction, any forward momentum. Just a bunch of disconnected, almost random plot points.

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I really wish we wouldn't treat the series as a TV show.


I see it as it's meant to be seen. Documentation.
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George G wrote:

I think in its original context the quote was telling the viewers not to obsess about logical problems and lack of realism in a comedic show that wasn't meant to be realistic in the slightest. I think so, anyway. Sounds like a sound advice, whether it is applicable in other contexts is not easy to say.

Now, re: Van Gogh. Of course I would walk up to him and tell him his stuff look murky as hell. Why on Earth not? Look at it. Complete mess. And the actual painting looks even worse.

Here's how it works: Van Gogh can paint in any way he likes. He can make his paintings murky, he can make them crisp. He can make them ugly, he can make them beautiful. Either way, he has the right to do that. What Van Gogh can not do, is expect me to like his work. I may or may not, it depends on my preferences.

I, on the other hand, can say whatever I want about his paintings. I can say they are spectacular, I can say they are garbage. I can praise every brushstroke, or I can bitch about every little thing. Even when he's giving it to me for free as a gift. What I can not do, is expect Van Gogh to agree with my criticism and change his work accordingly. He could say "Hey, you're right, I'll change it", or he could just shrug: that's entirely up to him. If I were paying him and if we had a contract of sorts, maybe I could boss him around and expect him to obey my every whim. Otherwise, no such luck. Still, I can bitch as much as I want if it makes me feel good. Van Gogh on the other hand can ignore me if he wants to.
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