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Is the series snowballing into a anticlimatic ending?
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Lithp
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The Condor wrote:
I really wish we wouldn't treat the series as a TV show.


I see it as it's meant to be seen. Documentation.


Kind of hard to do when they do interviews, have official seasons, try to conform to a regular schedule, & generally act like they're making a TV show.

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:43 pm
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paladin181 wrote:
Xicon wrote:
*emerges from lurking*

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Repeat this mantra(courtesy of MST3k): "It's just a show, I should really just relax."


Pet peeve soapbox time!

I absolutely fucking hate this mantra. I think it is one of the most backwards ways of thinking about art. If you ever say to yourself "It's just a <work>", you are wrong. Straight up wrong.

Art is meant to inspire emotional reactions, and you are supposed to get passionate about it. Strongly so. If you are actively suppressing something that you are passionate about - what the fuck are you doing that for? If you're passionate about it, fucking tell the world. If the show that you like has a bad episode, fucking rant about it. Explain why it was a bad episode, yammer on about how the show isn't as good as it once was. If we cannot be passionate about things and hold them to high standards and hope that they can deliver upon them, then why the fuck do we even bother watching, reading, listening, and playing?

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I make mods for Bethesda games. I make them for me. If others enjoy my work, that's great. But they get it as is. I make no promises of catering to anyone else's wants, needs, desires or demands. I do not care if you think that this feature sucks, or that feature could be better. Do I accept criticism and new ideas? Absolutely. But I don't owe anyone ANYTHING. Troy, Tim and Joseph don't OWE anyone anything. They owe themselves a great deal of respect and have a debt to themselves to go as far as they see fit to create this thing how they want. We may complain, but to say that you should rant when the quality dips, or that you should behave like a small child because your free entertainment isn't up to YOUR standards is ludicrous. Appreciate the art for what it is, and lament what it could be, but you don't get to DEMAND anything better until you're paying for it, which you won't be until it's all said and done and the DVDs go on sale for the current season.


And I completely fucking agree. But if I'm not happy with something and it enrages me, I'm not going to sit back and tell myself "it's just a show", I'm going to fucking rage about it. Similarly, if I am really excited and passionate about it, I'm not going to calm down and tell myself "it's just a show", I'm going to tell all my friends that they need to watch it and get excited and post massive 3k word theories that attempt to link every fucking thing in the work together because FUCK YEAH THIS IS AWESOME.

Yeah, it's a show. So get fucking passionate, be it out of rage or excitement. They don't have to change for you, but nor should you shut up because of that fact.
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Marble Hornets
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Saying "relax, it's just a show" is the wrong attitude to have, mainly because you're saying we should hold it to a lower standard, or not judge it as hard, simply because it's free content made by people new to film making. They're creating a piece of content, and we're judging it based on what we're shown. Marble Hornets has shown it's capable of producing amazingly good entries. Nobody's expecting every entry to be incredible, but the fact that they have made incredible entries before shows that they are capable, and as a result, we can hold them to that standard for every upcoming entry.

If your favorite band released a CD for free tomorrow and it sucked, you would still criticize it. You wouldn't be as mad because you didn't pay for it, but that doesn't erase the thing that you criticized it for. This holds true for all forms of art.

Nobody has shown a sense of entitlement from what I've seen, and that's the only case where you could say "relax"

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Saying "relax, it's just a show" is the wrong attitude to have, mainly because you're saying we should hold it to a lower standard, or not judge it as hard, simply because it's free content made by people new to film making. They're creating a piece of content, and we're judging it based on what we're shown. Marble Hornets has shown it's capable of producing amazingly good entries. Nobody's expecting every entry to be incredible, but the fact that they have made incredible entries before shows that they are capable, and as a result, we can hold them to that standard for every upcoming entry.

If your favorite band released a CD for free tomorrow and it sucked, you would still criticize it. You wouldn't be as mad because you didn't pay for it, but that doesn't erase the thing that you criticized it for. This holds true for all forms of art.

Nobody has shown a sense of entitlement from what I've seen, and that's the only case where you could say "relax"

Except the attitude isn't one intended for MH specifically. Generally, when people say that, they should be saying that as a general attitude to live by, whether it's free content by amateurs or a professional TV series or whatever. The point isn't that you shouldn't judge them or be irritated when the quality dips. The idea is just that, at the end of the day, no work of fiction is worth getting too worked up over.

Not saying I *entirely* agree with it or that you should either, just saying that the meaning behind it is a little different. It's nothing to do with MH being free or made by amateurs or about people being entitled (though I'm not entirely sure the mantra's proper meaning applies to this discussion at all, I think it was more to do with plot holes and logic errors than overall quality).

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TheJoker wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Saying "relax, it's just a show" is the wrong attitude to have, mainly because you're saying we should hold it to a lower standard, or not judge it as hard, simply because it's free content made by people new to film making. They're creating a piece of content, and we're judging it based on what we're shown. Marble Hornets has shown it's capable of producing amazingly good entries. Nobody's expecting every entry to be incredible, but the fact that they have made incredible entries before shows that they are capable, and as a result, we can hold them to that standard for every upcoming entry.

If your favorite band released a CD for free tomorrow and it sucked, you would still criticize it. You wouldn't be as mad because you didn't pay for it, but that doesn't erase the thing that you criticized it for. This holds true for all forms of art.

Nobody has shown a sense of entitlement from what I've seen, and that's the only case where you could say "relax"

Except the attitude isn't one intended for MH specifically. Generally, when people say that, they should be saying that as a general attitude to live by, whether it's free content by amateurs or a professional TV series or whatever. The point isn't that you shouldn't judge them or be irritated when the quality dips. The idea is just that, at the end of the day, no work of fiction is worth getting too worked up over.

Not saying I *entirely* agree with it or that you should either, just saying that the meaning behind it is a little different. It's nothing to do with MH being free or made by amateurs or about people being entitled (though I'm not entirely sure the mantra's proper meaning applies to this discussion at all, I think it was more to do with plot holes and logic errors than overall quality).


Basically people seem to be getting worked up to the point (and sometimes beyond) where they would be having a heart attack. It's NOT that big of a deal if the quality dips a little, or even if it plummets. Is it physically harming you or harming you otherwise? No, or I highly doubt it is anyways. It's just not that something worth turning into The Hulk and destroying a town over.

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Ztakk wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Saying "relax, it's just a show" is the wrong attitude to have, mainly because you're saying we should hold it to a lower standard, or not judge it as hard, simply because it's free content made by people new to film making. They're creating a piece of content, and we're judging it based on what we're shown. Marble Hornets has shown it's capable of producing amazingly good entries. Nobody's expecting every entry to be incredible, but the fact that they have made incredible entries before shows that they are capable, and as a result, we can hold them to that standard for every upcoming entry.

If your favorite band released a CD for free tomorrow and it sucked, you would still criticize it. You wouldn't be as mad because you didn't pay for it, but that doesn't erase the thing that you criticized it for. This holds true for all forms of art.

Nobody has shown a sense of entitlement from what I've seen, and that's the only case where you could say "relax"

Except the attitude isn't one intended for MH specifically. Generally, when people say that, they should be saying that as a general attitude to live by, whether it's free content by amateurs or a professional TV series or whatever. The point isn't that you shouldn't judge them or be irritated when the quality dips. The idea is just that, at the end of the day, no work of fiction is worth getting too worked up over.

Not saying I *entirely* agree with it or that you should either, just saying that the meaning behind it is a little different. It's nothing to do with MH being free or made by amateurs or about people being entitled (though I'm not entirely sure the mantra's proper meaning applies to this discussion at all, I think it was more to do with plot holes and logic errors than overall quality).


Basically people seem to be getting worked up to the point (and sometimes beyond) where they would be having a heart attack. It's NOT that big of a deal if the quality dips a little, or even if it plummets. Is it physically harming you or harming you otherwise? No, or I highly doubt it is anyways. It's just not that something worth turning into The Hulk and destroying a town over.



Couldn't you theoretically say "calm down it's just a message board" to the people getting mad at the people getting mad?

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I'm interested by the discussion about the series and its eventual outcome, and in particular the {Edited, because I'm doofus Embarassed } increasingly polarised [s and not z as I'm from the UK] debate around the perceived quality of the third season.

This is unusual for me, as I'm usually late to episodic fiction (Tv shows, comic books and the like) and tend to marathon it after the fact; I nearly did the same with Marble Hornets, but got caught up round about Entry #57.

It seems to me this sort of discussion happens with every series as it's ongoing- some people like the direction an arc is taking, others hate seeing Daredevil in a blue costume...3 episodes later it's back to the status quo and, again, opinions will vary...with many people's opinion changing. I've seen it in the letters pages of comic books, blogs about The Wire, etc., etc.

Once the arc /series is wrapped up, opinions will vary and many people will have an opinion which differs considerably from their views on the series whilst ongoing. And they'll express this view.

All of this is normal. And Marble Hornets will conclude, and it'll be...something. I'll have my opinion, and I'll read others' opinions and that'll be that. I'm interested to see what others think, and they might change my opinion on some minor points, but they won't affect my enjoyment or otherwise of the series. I might be irked by the way some choose to frame their opinion, but it won't draw me into an argument (or it shouldn't).

I'm all for being passionate, but I can't understand the reaction to other people's opinions, no matter how disagreeably they're expressed.

Or am I missing the point?

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Ztakk wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Saying "relax, it's just a show" is the wrong attitude to have, mainly because you're saying we should hold it to a lower standard, or not judge it as hard, simply because it's free content made by people new to film making. They're creating a piece of content, and we're judging it based on what we're shown. Marble Hornets has shown it's capable of producing amazingly good entries. Nobody's expecting every entry to be incredible, but the fact that they have made incredible entries before shows that they are capable, and as a result, we can hold them to that standard for every upcoming entry.

If your favorite band released a CD for free tomorrow and it sucked, you would still criticize it. You wouldn't be as mad because you didn't pay for it, but that doesn't erase the thing that you criticized it for. This holds true for all forms of art.

Nobody has shown a sense of entitlement from what I've seen, and that's the only case where you could say "relax"

Except the attitude isn't one intended for MH specifically. Generally, when people say that, they should be saying that as a general attitude to live by, whether it's free content by amateurs or a professional TV series or whatever. The point isn't that you shouldn't judge them or be irritated when the quality dips. The idea is just that, at the end of the day, no work of fiction is worth getting too worked up over.

Not saying I *entirely* agree with it or that you should either, just saying that the meaning behind it is a little different. It's nothing to do with MH being free or made by amateurs or about people being entitled (though I'm not entirely sure the mantra's proper meaning applies to this discussion at all, I think it was more to do with plot holes and logic errors than overall quality).


Basically people seem to be getting worked up to the point (and sometimes beyond) where they would be having a heart attack. It's NOT that big of a deal if the quality dips a little, or even if it plummets. Is it physically harming you or harming you otherwise? No, or I highly doubt it is anyways. It's just not that something worth turning into The Hulk and destroying a town over.



Couldn't you theoretically say "calm down it's just a message board" to the people getting mad at the people getting mad?


Yes, yes you could hypothetically.

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Parietal Lobectomy wrote:
I'm interested by the discussion about the series and its eventual outcome, and in particular the


Came out of lurking.

Its killing me.

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Lithp
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Quote:
Basically people seem to be getting worked up to the point (and sometimes beyond) where they would be having a heart attack.


[citation needed]

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Its killing me.


It's. I-t-apostrophe-s.

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PhilStein wrote:
Parietal Lobectomy wrote:
I'm interested by the discussion about the series and its eventual outcome, and in particular the


Came out of lurking.

Its killing me.

Literally?

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ReverendJ wrote:
PhilStein wrote:
Parietal Lobectomy wrote:
I'm interested by the discussion about the series and its eventual outcome, and in particular the


Came out of lurking.

Its killing me.

Literally?


I would think there'd be more screaming if it were literally killing him, no? Maybe not. Confused

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ReverendJ wrote:
PhilStein wrote:
Parietal Lobectomy wrote:
I'm interested by the discussion about the series and its eventual outcome, and in particular the


Came out of lurking.

Its killing me.

Literally?



My Anti-ADD acting up probably.

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
ReverendJ wrote:
PhilStein wrote:
Parietal Lobectomy wrote:
I'm interested by the discussion about the series and its eventual outcome, and in particular the


Came out of lurking.

Its killing me.

Literally?


I would think there'd be more screaming if it were literally killing him, no? Maybe not. Confused

Eh, there are plenty of ways to kill someone which don't involve much screaming or blood.

Not that I have any hands-on experience with that.



...What, that guy over there? He's just... sleeping... in a pool of ketchup... or something...

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PhilStein wrote:
ReverendJ wrote:
PhilStein wrote:
Parietal Lobectomy wrote:
I'm interested by the discussion about the series and its eventual outcome, and in particular the


Came out of lurking.

Its killing me.

Literally?



My Anti-ADD acting up probably.


Embarassed I hate to be the cause of grammatical death, metaphorical or otherwise...I've edited the offending post. I think I'd gone back to rephrase that line, then saw a shiny thing.

I've rather undermined the point I was trying to make, I fear...it was late here, honest. My apologies. Please feel free to re-lurk, unkilled.

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