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TRIBETWELVE: SEASON TWO
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Wondertje
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 		I guess we could be seeing HABIT giving Noah the tools he will use to free Firebrand from the administrator somewhere after this takes placec. Which is what we already had a glimpse of when we learnt that Firebrand was free and that HABIT was involved - we just weren't told the whole story that Noah was the one doing it as some kind of middle hand. Possible, and quite an interesting idea. Definitely something to keep in mind!

All this timey-wimey wobbly stuff is sometimes confusing Razz

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SilentMedusa
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Wondertje wrote:


All this timey-wimey wobbly stuff is sometimes confusing Razz


Word. Yesterday I clicked on the "Stable Time Loop" article at TV Tropes, largely due to Tribe Twelve. I almost didn't make it out. Gave me a massive headache, too.

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 		Stable time loops aren't so bad. It's when you have non-determinism, forward-backward jumps, existing in the same space multiple times simultaneously, multiple timelines, untrustworthy narration, & crazy rules that it starts to get complicated.

Since I elected to post in this thread after all, I will pose the same question that I did in the EMH topic:

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Before I move on to the less pleasant commentary, I want to ask what people make of Jeff: Did he come back to life, or is this before he died? Time travel is already a factor. Noah says that it's September, but should be December, & I don't know if this video came to us from the past or if Tribe Twelve just doesn't follow "IRL time."


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Lithp wrote:


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Before I move on to the less pleasant commentary, I want to ask what people make of Jeff: Did he come back to life, or is this before he died? Time travel is already a factor. Noah says that it's September, but should be December, & I don't know if this video came to us from the past or if Tribe Twelve just doesn't follow "IRL time."


I personally believe in HABITs realm, it's timeless. Like Jeff said in that brief encounter, "Nothing makes sense, the only solution is to kill yourself". If you think about who Jeff is as a character, he's the smartest hybrid out of all of them (Even HABIT said so when he was bout to kill him in Very Happy), Vinny just happens to be alive because he has a "gift" that HABIT can't touch. Now I personally believe it was a projection of Jeff, a part of his soul stuck in that timeless realm, and that part of their soul may be HABITs payment for helping Slendy, he gets eternal playthings (as he mentions they're are another couple little "rascals" he needs to round up). I personally would like to go with the theory that it was Jeff, that this was him in his initial stages of being in what I guess could either be HABITs own dimension or Dr. C's personal one. Jeff has been analyzing everything, getting closer to an answer, and right when he was on top of it that's when HABIT killed him. I think Jeff knew that this is a virus, he knew it wouldn't stop, and Noah is the catalyst who is going to make all the shit hit every proverbial fan in every series at the same time. He's so interlinked that once he actually becomes Firebrand...well there's no saying what will happen. But, if he chooses to change his own timeline by killing himself (Which seems to be possible as HABIT wont touch him in that way, he had the opportunity but if HABIT is gonna kill someone he'll kill them right there right then, and do it for shits and giggles) then the alternate timeline Firebrand will cease to exist and HABITs side of the bargain (He has to get one by helping out a collective member) would be null and void as well. That's why he got so aggressive when Noah said he didn't know what to do after Jeff just talked to him and HABIT was holding him by the arm, because he felt that he had a real possibility that he may cease to exist if that timeline Noah fucks up.

Now this is mostly speculation, but I thought I would put in my 2 cents.

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 		I forget when Jeff died, but I think we can assume this is a not-living Jeff, regardless of when various parts of the "Bridge to Nowhere" might be occurring.

At 8:17 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=WL023A065BA318A9AE&v=4E4TNOfzfag&feature=player_detailpage#t=497) we have "You're dead." "I know." That exchange could be chalked up to Jeff not really listening to Noah, but I think that would be sloppy writing.

Is it worth speculating as to whether or not that even is Jeff-in-spirit? Could it be a hallucination, or a "phantasm" of some sort put there by another entity in order to trick Noah?
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Elektrikhd wrote:
I forget when Jeff died, but I think we can assume this is a not-living Jeff, regardless of when various parts of the "Bridge to Nowhere" might be occurring.

At 8:17 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=WL023A065BA318A9AE&v=4E4TNOfzfag&feature=player_detailpage#t=497) we have "You're dead." "I know." That exchange could be chalked up to Jeff not really listening to Noah, but I think that would be sloppy writing.

Is it worth speculating as to whether or not that even is Jeff-in-spirit? Could it be a hallucination, or a "phantasm" of some sort put there by another entity in order to trick Noah?


Holy shit you blew my mind, that could be the "they"! That could be what Firebrand was warning Noah about, he wanted Noah to get there before "they" could get there and plant a fake Jeff!

*mindexploded*

I'm still torn between this and my theory though.

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 		I wish I could go somewhere to research this. I doubt even if I found the bridge there would be any clues... I missed all the meetup things EMH did, I keep hoping for something else since I live in Jersey. About all I can offer at the moment is that Piscataway is a real town, and that it's a little unusual to encounter a 7-11, since there's a couple of other convenience stores that are more prevalent. Not much help as far as that goes.
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Lithp wrote:
I want to ask what people make of Jeff: Did he come back to life, or is this before he died? Time travel is already a factor. Noah says that it's September, but should be December, & I don't know if this video came to us from the past or if Tribe Twelve just doesn't follow "IRL time."


Like already mentioned Jeff does reply to the "you're dead!" with "I know", so I would assume this is after his death. But also, I was under the impression that this took place inside candleverse/slenderverse/HABITverse/whatever, meaning that this would be where Jeff (and the others) go when they die to await a new cycle/incarnation/iteration. So it would only make sense that this is after he dies and that he's alive there, in candleverse.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because I still haven't fully caught up in EMH - but that's how I've understood it so far Smile

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Wondertje wrote:
Lithp wrote:
I want to ask what people make of Jeff: Did he come back to life, or is this before he died? Time travel is already a factor. Noah says that it's September, but should be December, & I don't know if this video came to us from the past or if Tribe Twelve just doesn't follow "IRL time."


Like already mentioned Jeff does reply to the "you're dead!" with "I know", so I would assume this is after his death. But also, I was under the impression that this took place inside candleverse/slenderverse/HABITverse/whatever, meaning that this would be where Jeff (and the others) go when they die to await a new cycle/incarnation/iteration. So it would only make sense that this is after he dies and that he's alive there, in candleverse.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because I still haven't fully caught up in EMH - but that's how I've understood it so far Smile


Yes that would be the iteration theory, which is what I initially believed, but because of Firebrands texts...I guess I'm split between two theories right now. I mean, who is "they"?

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AssassinB wrote:
Yes that would be the iteration theory, which is what I initially believed, but because of Firebrands texts...I guess I'm split between two theories right now. I mean, who is "they"?


Well, it could refer to any two people/souls that are currently in candleverse. Of course, we weren't really told what the importance about the bridge was/is and why it was important that Noah found it first - I hope that will be explained in a not-so-long-from-now future.

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 		Has anyone reversed the audio yet. There's definitely some backwards talking in there.

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SilentMedusa
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 		I said earlier that the audio distortion sounded like backwards-playing music to me; maybe "Jeff" was a member of the Collective in disguise?

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 		I know this might sound a little strange, but what if Jeff never really died? It is a possibility that he never actually died. I am not sure if I really believe this or not, but it could be possible that the video of Jeff's death was faked.

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 		That's true, I did forget Jeff's response to "You're dead." Though it is also possible that he knew both THAT he was going to die AND that time travel shenanigans were going on. But your answer still seems more probable.

Checking the timeline, Jeff kicked it around the end of 2012.

It is "possible" that Jeff didn't die, but time travel & apparent resurrection has already occurred in EMH, so I don't think that explanation is necessary. However, I don't believe the Iteration theory, partly because of wishful thinking.

Also, I found this while doing my search:

https://twitter.com/TribeTwelve/status/414229257158541312

Noah doesn't even take his own advice....

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Wondertje wrote:
Well, it could refer to any two people/souls that are currently in candleverse. Of course, we weren't really told what the importance about the bridge was/is and why it was important that Noah found it first - I hope that will be explained in a not-so-long-from-now future.


We just don't have enough information to know who "they" are; for all we know, "they" could have been Jeff and HABIT, and Noah messed up.

I'm curious about the texts, though. Are they still on Noah's phone? Has he tried texting Firebrand? Quick, to the Ask.fm page! Wink

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