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[SPEC] The Four Masks
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Serum
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ReverendJ wrote:
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Well, for all we know, Masky and Hoody have nothing to do with ToTheArk, let alone each other.


We have rather explicit confirmation that Hoody is at the very least in cahoots with, if not acting as, ToTheArk. Numerous times. Throughout seasons 2 and 3.


You all said the same thing about Masky in Season 1.
I have seen no proof that Masky was not part of TTA when Tim had less control.


You can't prove that he wasn't not part of ToTheArk, either. See, you're all basing what you believe on what you see-- that's a fatal flaw in mystery solving. You need to base what you believe on what you know. And what do we know? Practically nothing.

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Toadbert wrote:
We don't really know Hoody's been involved since the beginning. Around #40 is when we first saw him, which places his first confirmed activities in the missing 7 months.

I finally got the chance to rewatch most of the series, and I'm pretty sure Hoody has been involved since Jay went to Brian's house in Entry 18... That's when Jay found the doll the first time, he left it there and then found it again in the maintenance tunnel in Entry 60, where we know Hoody left it for him. Unless Masky and Hoody are/were sharing the doll, of course. Confused

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Serum wrote:
ReverendJ wrote:
Serum wrote:
Xicon wrote:
Serum wrote:
Well, for all we know, Masky and Hoody have nothing to do with ToTheArk, let alone each other.


We have rather explicit confirmation that Hoody is at the very least in cahoots with, if not acting as, ToTheArk. Numerous times. Throughout seasons 2 and 3.


You all said the same thing about Masky in Season 1.
I have seen no proof that Masky was not part of TTA when Tim had less control.


You can't prove that he wasn't not part of ToTheArk, either. See, you're all basing what you believe on what you see-- that's a fatal flaw in mystery solving. You need to base what you believe on what you know. And what do we know? Practically nothing.

Speaking of TTA, what about Addition, which shows Jay having the coughing fit in Entry 16 when he went to Brian's house the first time? We know Masky was in the house the next time he went, so the most logical explanation is that Masky *at least* captured the footage. Going back to the above discussion about how long Hoody's been involved, IF Hoody had captured said footage, then that puts his involvement back even further. OR (and I highly doubt this), there was an entirely DIFFERENT person/entity filming Jay's coughing fit. Of course, this doesn't necessarily mean/prove that the person who filmed the footage IS TTA, but it makes sense, considering the text "SEE YOU" at the end. But there always is the chance that TTA somehow managed to get his hands on the footage some other way, or that capturer of said footage is in cahoots with TTA but isn't directly involved in making/editing the videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WHFRTgjVYyY

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Lheai wrote:
Toadbert wrote:
We don't really know Hoody's been involved since the beginning. Around #40 is when we first saw him, which places his first confirmed activities in the missing 7 months.

I finally got the chance to rewatch most of the series, and I'm pretty sure Hoody has been involved since Jay went to Brian's house in Entry 18... That's when Jay found the doll the first time, he left it there and then found it again in the maintenance tunnel in Entry 60, where we know Hoody left it for him.


This. Why else would they throw that in there. I'm pretty sure that was them giving confirmation that hoody was there back then.

I also see the TTA video "surveillance" as hinting towards hoody being there since the beginning. The part with the clip of Alex looking behind him and hoody is hidden in the background.

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McGregor wrote:
Lheai wrote:
Toadbert wrote:
We don't really know Hoody's been involved since the beginning. Around #40 is when we first saw him, which places his first confirmed activities in the missing 7 months.

I finally got the chance to rewatch most of the series, and I'm pretty sure Hoody has been involved since Jay went to Brian's house in Entry 18... That's when Jay found the doll the first time, he left it there and then found it again in the maintenance tunnel in Entry 60, where we know Hoody left it for him.


This. Why else would they throw that in there. I'm pretty sure that was them giving confirmation that hoody was there back then.

I also see the TTA video "surveillance" as hinting towards hoody being there since the beginning. The part with the clip of Alex looking behind him and hoody is hidden in the background.

True true. Which would mean he's been around since before the series even began.

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 		Exit also proves Hoody was around since the beginning. Takes place during entry 13 and that was still in the location scouting phase of making the movie.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Exit also proves Hoody was around since the beginning. Takes place during entry 13 and that was still in the location scouting phase of making the movie.

Man, it's been forever since I've watched the old TTA videos... they creep me out too much, lol. Especially the "ALWAYS WATCHING" guy from Decay Shocked The new ones just use cool effects and stuff, they don't freak me out like the other ones did. But yeah, when I watched it at first I don't think I even knew who Hoody was, or just didn't consider that it was him filming Jay. It makes sense though, considering how much Hoody seems to be a fan of stealth. And trees.

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Lheai wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Exit also proves Hoody was around since the beginning. Takes place during entry 13 and that was still in the location scouting phase of making the movie.

Man, it's been forever since I've watched the old TTA videos... they creep me out too much, lol. Especially the "ALWAYS WATCHING" guy from Decay Shocked The new ones just use cool effects and stuff, they don't freak me out like the other ones did. But yeah, when I watched it at first I don't think I even knew who Hoody was, or just didn't consider that it was him filming Jay. It makes sense though, considering how much Hoody seems to be a fan of stealth. And trees.

Certainly you shouldn't have known who Hoody was, seeing as Exit was nearly thirty entries before his formal introduction in the series.

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TheJoker wrote:
Lheai wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Exit also proves Hoody was around since the beginning. Takes place during entry 13 and that was still in the location scouting phase of making the movie.

Man, it's been forever since I've watched the old TTA videos... they creep me out too much, lol. Especially the "ALWAYS WATCHING" guy from Decay Shocked The new ones just use cool effects and stuff, they don't freak me out like the other ones did. But yeah, when I watched it at first I don't think I even knew who Hoody was, or just didn't consider that it was him filming Jay. It makes sense though, considering how much Hoody seems to be a fan of stealth. And trees.

Certainly you shouldn't have known who Hoody was, seeing as Exit was nearly thirty entries before his formal introduction in the series.

Lol that's true. I actually went back and watched a couple of them again after the fact though, I think that was one of them. I just didn't really make the connection for whatever reason.

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Serum wrote:
Well, for all we know, Masky and Hoody have nothing to do with ToTheArk, let alone each other.

Watch Entry #68, specifically near the end. That's direct proof that Hoody makes many of the totheark videos. Same for Entry #61. Same font. Same tone. Same style.

As for Masky, he's featured in a few totheark videos. Same for Hoody. And they're not being filmed unknowingly. They are basically posing for the camera. So yeah, I'd say they definitely have something to do with totheark.

The only way that Masky and Hoody could have nothing to do with totheark is if there's just some ridiculous plot twist.

Serum wrote:
Xicon wrote:
We have rather explicit confirmation that Hoody is at the very least in cahoots with, if not acting as, ToTheArk. Numerous times. Throughout seasons 2 and 3.


You all said the same thing about Masky in Season 1.

I don't understand. When was it ever confirmed or believed that Masky didn't have anything to do with totheark? Back then, a lot of people believed that Masky was the one making the videos and everything. Now, it is believed that Masky wasn't really the mastermind behind any of the videos and was just an accomplice or pawn.

We have much more proof that Hoody is or is a huge part of totheark than we ever did with Masky being totheark.

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 		I believe Masky was of course involved with TTA. There's several videos featuring Masky, and the time where Masky stops appearing in TTA videos is about the time Tim generally disappears from the series for a bit (I could be wrong on the timeline though)

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DrahcirAloer wrote:
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Well, for all we know, Masky and Hoody have nothing to do with ToTheArk, let alone each other.

While I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt on the first Masky being Tim out of focus, the third Masky is definitely a different person wearing a different mask. Tim has never been that thin, and his head is larger than the figure in the third picture.


Looking at the third picture, what if it is a distorted picture of Jessica? That shadow running down the shoulder could be hair and the shadows over the eyes and mouth could be caused by the upped contrast. The line on the shoulder makes me think of some sort of dress or shirt with thin straps, although I don't remember her ever wearing anything like that. TTA could have gotten it by spying on her. In the back there are definitely curtains, possibly from the hotel, which puts it in the timeframe where we had the most footage of her. Finally, what I can make out through the blur doesn't look all that similar to a mask in my opinion.



The third Masky is definitely a different person wearing a different mask.

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 		The only one of those that may be another masked character is skully, but there are people as passionate about that being a stupid pointless thing as you are about sarah being stupid and pointless.

I'm not saying there aren't more masked people, because I personally believe everyone in the cast got a "masky" persona. Just saying those pictures aren't those other masked people with the exception of maybe skully.

I think serum be trolling, which is really out of character.

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 		Don't kill me for saying so, but the third picture actually reminds me strongly of Jay. Think of how he looked in the TTA video Return. That trance like state, eyes wide and distant, mouth agape. See what I mean? Kinda looks like a super blurry Jay, maybe b-roll straight from Return.

I don't think picture 3 is Masky or Tim, partially because the figure is much too thin, even accounting for the distortion/blurriness. Also, I'm just not seeing the Masky mask in image #3... The eyes are not so fully rounded, and for that matter, neither is the mouth. I'm not even opening the can of worms about Jay being involved in TTA, rather I'm suggesting merely that the footage could be of Jay. That head shape is pretty distinct... This actually makes me think of the Entry #73 debate about the figure in the window.

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Serum wrote:
You can't prove that he wasn't not part of ToTheArk, either.


I feel like you're trolling, but I'll bite. You said yourself, you can't prove a negative. This is accurate. You tried to take this too far as an easy counter argument in the quoted text, however, because you have painted yourself into a double negative. A double negative is a shit move gramatically because it's not a negative any more; the two negatives cancel each other out and it's an affirmative statement. Thus, your exact statement when gramatically correct is:

Serum wrote:
You can't prove that he was part of ToTheArk, either.


Which is wrong. We may not be able to prove he wasn't part of TTA, but it is certainly possible to prove that he was. Theoretically at least.

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