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abcetc
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EmeraldWind wrote:
abcetc wrote:
abcetc wrote:
I notice that when Jay puts the camera on the window sill at 7:00ish the field looks notably different from how it did moments ago with no TO in it; the trees in the background are much closer and brighter.


Thought I'd substantiate my earlier post with images:

Notice how different the two images are. The background is closer, brighter, more detailed, and further to the right in the second picture than it was in the first (notice how that tree in the first picture has moved further to the right). It's as though the location of the camera has changed.


It is worth noting that they were in a different room at that point.

Though the brightness might be a subtle distortion.


The two images are seconds apart and seen from the same window. Jay cautiously looks out the window, looks away, then Tim asks for his help with something and he sets the camera down at the exact same window he had just looked out of.

Watch it again from about 6:47 to 7:10. You'll see what I'm talking about.

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 		That big tree there looks the same, I think the camera's just at a bit of a different angle.

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abcetc wrote:
EmeraldWind wrote:
abcetc wrote:
abcetc wrote:
I notice that when Jay puts the camera on the window sill at 7:00ish the field looks notably different from how it did moments ago with no TO in it; the trees in the background are much closer and brighter.


Thought I'd substantiate my earlier post with images:

Notice how different the two images are. The background is closer, brighter, more detailed, and further to the right in the second picture than it was in the first (notice how that tree in the first picture has moved further to the right). It's as though the location of the camera has changed.


It is worth noting that they were in a different room at that point.

Though the brightness might be a subtle distortion.


The two images are seconds apart and seen from the same window. Jay cautiously looks out the window, looks away, then Tim asks for his help with something and he sets the camera down at the exact same window he had just looked out of.

Watch it again from about 6:47 to 7:10. You'll see what I'm talking about.

Ah, I see. I thought the first pic was from earlier when Jay thought he saw something outside.

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Toadbert wrote:
That big tree there looks the same, I think the camera's just at a bit of a different angle.


Gotta disagree with you there. The POV looks like it has shifted several meters to the left.

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 		Re: The house
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I'm still confused about this house. Of course there may be out of story reasons but in story is this supposedly the house that Alex lived in in the very early entries? Because I don't see a porch like there was in those, when the Operator was standing outside and turned his head to look at Alex.
The basement in this one had windows that miiiight have been the ones that TO was sort of stooping as he crept by, looking in the window at Alex, though.
I was thinking just last night that I really miss an ambulant Operator.
[Still wondering what he did in that cabinet in the wall in that one video, which I suppose was taken by Masky/TTA though maybe by Alex...]

EDIT:
Tim seemed to be drawn to TO in a similar way to how Jay was drawn to it at the motel... it looked like he was getting instructions or something. OR maybe TO was erasing memories, or editing them. In other vids TO showed up and then he and a person had vanished, I expected Tim to be gone this time.

No, that was a place where Alex had seemingly been living, but I believe that was actually Brian's house. This was Alex's house as seen in Entry 71.

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abcetc wrote:
Toadbert wrote:
That big tree there looks the same, I think the camera's just at a bit of a different angle.


Gotta disagree with you there. The POV looks like it has shifted several meters to the left.


The first image is from the window to the right of the divider. It looks like he places the camera down to the left of the divider. This would explain the different positions.

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abcetc wrote:
Toadbert wrote:
That big tree there looks the same, I think the camera's just at a bit of a different angle.


Gotta disagree with you there. The POV looks like it has shifted several meters to the left.


...And? He was holding the camera at first, then set it on the sill for the second shot. Of course the field of view shifted. For something as far away as the treeline, shifting the camera lens a few centimeters would cause a huge difference.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
It does appear to be slightly more zoomed in, or possibly cropped, but I suspect that was due to OOG careful reframing by Troy to compose the shot properly.


On another note: I wonder if we'll ever get a solid explanation for why Alex seemingly moved into Brian's house back in 2006...

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 		Re: The house
TheJoker wrote:
GnomonRose wrote:
I'm still confused about this house. Of course there may be out of story reasons but in story is this supposedly the house that Alex lived in in the very early entries? Because I don't see a porch like there was in those, when the Operator was standing outside and turned his head to look at Alex. .....

No, that was a place where Alex had seemingly been living, but I believe that was actually Brian's house. This was Alex's house as seen in Entry 71.

Thank you!

EDIT:
Aren't we going to talk about how there was an ad for Revlon before the title screen? Why would Jay even want to promote Revlon products? Tim, maybe, I could see, but I'm sure it was Jay's post. I don't think it makes sense in the context of seasons 1 and 2.
Embarassed Sorry, lousy joke.
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 		YouTube ads have nothing to do with the series.

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Zarggg wrote:
YouTube ads have nothing to do with the series.


Youtube ads have nothing to do with anything..at least for me...ADBLOCK ftw

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Yuki wrote:
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My comments seemed to get skipped over so I'll repost

First of all, it appears Jay is probably not hallucinating and, in fact, we can trust any source spotting him in so far as we can trust a source in this series. Oppy appeared in seconds for the camera, as he always does, displaying his power; who cares or knows whether or not Jay truly saw him or not because it seems that oppy just wants to say hi to just us, and only us, sometimes, who can say he doesn't have a similar relationship with Jay?

To fast forward after the Oppy attack. Is it me or does Tim seem awfully assertive towards the end? He seems to have a handle on the situation and just wants to get out of there, Jay too seems to be aware asking "Where is he (he being the operator is my guess)?" Also, have we seen a camera sustain such a clear shot during an operator attack ever?

My guess is Jay and Tim are feeling more confident with the operator nowadays and, perhaps, wanted to conjure this experience.


Why would they conjure it? They clearly stated they're looking for clues, and the instant The Operator pops up they both panic and know they need to leave. If they were trying to get him to come after them, they wouldn't run away.


Well the operator is incredibly powerful, there has not been a situation where he has been anything closed to matched ever, so 10 out of 10 times you should run when you see him. They might of been testing how to use the camera, symbols, or other forms of aggravation to generate an oppy appearance. Tim seemed very collected after the attack, he gave off this vibe of control. And again, the camera held strong in this attack too, I feel Jay and Tim finally successfully stood up to the operator, in so far as they can.

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 		Consider this...
Perhaps Tim was able to stand up to OP better because Jay is now becoming weaker and more under OP's control. Maybe OP is shifting his focus, or the slendysickness/control is being transfered from tim to jay.

imo, Tim seems to be more stable than Jay recently

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 		Geeze, naturally an entry would be uploaded while I"m on vacation. I haven't been able to read through the whole thread yet but I just want to throw in my 2 cents, sorry if I repeat anything that's been said.

I don't think Jay was hallucinating. I'm not exactly sure what happened, but you can plainly see TO standing right where Jay said he was just a few moments later. Also, it's questionable whether or not Tim actually ever had actual hallucinations as it's been implied the "hallucinations" may have been TO. Maybe Jay is able to sense his presence in advance now, or perhaps there was some time distortion that only affected Jay and he saw TO where he was in the future? I don't know.

I sort of thought it was weird how quickly Tim told Jay to put the drawings in the top pocket of his bag. Not sure if it's because he's hiding something or anything drastic but it stood out to me.

Something that sort of bothers me about this entry and entry 71 though is that the house they're using as Alex's house doesn't really look like the house he was staying in in entry 1 and 6. It might be the same house but I can't really tell and it bugs me.

The end of the entry was very strange to me, I can't tell what happened there exactly. It sort of looks like Tim somehow "banished" TO temporarily. I hope they're not trying to imply that TO is Tim's imaginary friend brought to life or something.

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 		Not too impressed with the overall look of Slenderman at the end.

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 		Re: Tim becoming more assertive: this might be because his experience is actually useful in this instance -- he tries to console Jay when Jay is upset over lost memory ("Well, that's kind of a difficult thing to deal with, but just remember you're not the only one, if that helps."), argues that Jay should get some medical attention for the hallucinations (and yeah, I think they were hallucinations, because your Jedi Oppy mind tricks do not work on the camera, only film -- for example, Entry #17, where no one either sees or acknowledges T.O. outside the window, but the camera clearly captures him, distortion and all); Tim runs back to get Jay (but as has been pointed out, only after being careful to take his medication to keep from becoming Masky), because he knows what facing T.O. alone is like, and after the encounter is over, hustles Jay back into the car, because his is the mind that is still clear after the event (probably because he stopped to take those pills).
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
My personal theory is that as Jay gets weaker/more compromised by his exposure to T.O., Tim is gonna get to be the Big Damn Hero of the series, and that this is just the lead-in for it.



abcetc wrote:
abcetc wrote:
I notice that when Jay puts the camera on the window sill at 7:00ish the field looks notably different from how it did moments ago with no TO in it; the trees in the background are much closer and brighter.


Thought I'd substantiate my earlier post with images:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9039/snapshot3xx.png

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/302/snapshot4of.png

Notice how different the two images are. The background is closer, brighter, more detailed, and further to the right in the second picture than it was in the first (notice how that tree in the first picture has moved further to the right). It's as though the location of the camera has changed.


The location of the camera did change: the first shot is when Jay is still holding the camera, aiming out the window through the right pane. When Tim asks him for help getting the closet door* open, Jay sets his flashlight down on the windowsill of the right pane, and the camera on the sill of the left. The camera is much closer to the window than it would be were Jay still holding it to film, and the shift of the camera from right to left would explain the consequent 'movement' of the of the tree (and the fence posts, actually, since they're distinct, one without the white top) from left to right. Also, it seems pretty clear that the size of the mesh of the window-screen changes due to the perspective change.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
OOG, there could be multiple reasons for the change in lighting: the camera might be picking up more light due to being closer to the window instead of in the half-lit murk of the room, a cloud may have blown away from the sun momentarily, or the sequence might have been filmed out of order, when it was lighter outside.


Edited to add: I am mistaken. Looking at it again, the flashlight ends up in the right corner of the left window (visible in the change between 6:56 and 6:57), and the camera then goes to the left of that (identifiable when Jay picks the camera back up, at the change between 7:07 and 7:08 )



*Holy crap, was it difficult for me not to go off and make the joke there, but... I resisted, because gahd, is there a worse fate on earth than being called a "Jam shipper"? Rolling Eyes

ModEdit (Zarggg): When quoting posts that have images, please change the IMG links to URL links to reduce scrolling.

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