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Cioger
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ak1287 wrote:
paladin181 wrote:
Jay handed Tim the camera (why? Who knows). But Tim took the pills.

But still turned into his Masked state (at least we can assume from the way he limped over to the operator).


I think Jay handed over the camera so both of his hands would be free to climb the fence.
But yeah, Tim took the pills. And WAS in his Masked state.... so what the hell.

Is it plausible that Tim can come in/out of "Masked state" at will at this point? It doesn't seem to extreme...

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paladin181 wrote:
Jay handed Tim the camera (why? Who knows). But Tim took the pills.

But still turned into his Masked state (at least we can assume from the way he limped over to the operator).


As ak1287 has said before, I think is pretty obvious he handed Tim the camera to have both hands free.
And... well, about the pills thing... I'm not sure they actually work. I mean, how could some pills used for any "known" illness work with something related with the Slendersikness? I have never got it.
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Timman Rescue!

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 		I have speculated before that the pills are placebo pills and they " work" because Tim believes they work.

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Oppy mind tricks do not work on the camera, only film -- for example, Entry #17, where no one either sees or acknowledges T.O. outside the window, but the camera clearly captures him, distortion and all


If TO can remain unseen when he's there, he can probably make himself seen when he isn't. Technically that's hallucination, but I think it's directly Operator-caused. As in, TO was there somewhere, but for whatever reason wanted Jay to see him and no one else.

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elford wrote:
I have speculated before that the pills are placebo pills and they " work" because Tim believes they work.


Heck, yes! This is exactly what I've thought ^^, but I didn't say that because we don't have any proves to support that... just speculation.
It is agreable that there's other people who shares that thought too.
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 		Okay, I didn't see anyone mention it and I'm not sure if it has any significance or not, but both of the pictures of Alex and Tim would have been filmed/captured by Hoody (assuming the middle pic is Alex from Entry 68, I'm convinced the other pic is Tim having the seizure in Entry 61). Going by the theory that Oppy feeds off of memories captured by camera, could this mean that Hoody was present at the Oppy encounter? It could imply that Jay is Hoody, but personally I think that it's Brian or one of the other original MH cast/crew members. I didn't see anyone/thing in the window behind Oppy, but I could be wrong, the whole thing was so heavily distorted and pixely that there's really no telling. Another possibility is that the moving shadows and stuff as Tim was running through the grass looking for Jay was Hoody/whoever.

Ristar wrote:
I don't know if anyone already pointed this out, but around 9:10, when Tim asks Jay what time is it and they turn around and TO shows up you can hear someone saying something, like a loud whisper or something slowed down, can anyone make anything out of that or i'm just hearing things?


I tried reversing/speeding it up, it kinda sounded like someone saying "Alex" but I can't really be sure.

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 		Is this suggested "bargain" with the Operator perhaps Tim "transferring" all of his symptoms and sicknesses from himself to Jay? Tim's pretty healthy lately, with Jay exhibiting all of Tim's usual behavior. Is this a coincidence, or has Tim betrayed Jay and done something to trigger this? Sorry, this was maybe already suggested.

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elford wrote:
I have speculated before that the pills are placebo pills and they " work" because Tim believes they work.


Going further on this, who is Tim's doctor? Who prescribed him those pills? Are they normal anti psychotics or is someone out there coming up with anti slendy medication? Or they could just be placebos of course

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FossilizedSauce wrote:
Is this suggested "bargain" with the Operator perhaps Tim "transferring" all of his symptoms and sicknesses from himself to Jay? Tim's pretty healthy lately, with Jay exhibiting all of Tim's usual behavior. Is this a coincidence, or has Tim betrayed Jay and done something to trigger this? Sorry, this was maybe already suggested.


Tim would never betray Jay, it's been mentioned earlier that Tim was probably lonely throughout his years due to his operatorness, and Jay is probably the first person that understands Tim and possibly sees him as a friend. Tim has been facing slendersickness over many years, so his body probably built a form of immunity. The operator then sees Jay as an easier target and attacks him. Keep in mind Jay had s-sickness before meeting tim in the series

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elford wrote:
I have speculated before that the pills are placebo pills and they " work" because Tim believes they work.


That would explain why they seemed to work so fast in this entry. I mean, Tim takes them and seconds later he's able to face down TO, at least longer than anyone else has. And why downing half a bottle of them didn't seem to have any lasting effect on him.

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Lrrr wrote:
elford wrote:
I have speculated before that the pills are placebo pills and they " work" because Tim believes they work.


Going further on this, who is Tim's doctor? Who prescribed him those pills? Are they normal anti psychotics or is someone out there coming up with anti slendy medication? Or they could just be placebos of course



I've wondered if Hoody was controlling Tim's supply to the pills. Which is why they were seen together so often a while back. Like Hoody was giving him the pills and used it as leverage to get Tim (whether in Masky state or not) to help him. Just a really bare bones theory.

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Lrrr wrote:
elford wrote:
I have speculated before that the pills are placebo pills and they " work" because Tim believes they work.


Going further on this, who is Tim's doctor? Who prescribed him those pills? Are they normal anti psychotics or is someone out there coming up with anti slendy medication? Or they could just be placebos of course



The pills could be treating symptoms of Slendersickness. For example, cough medicine does nothing to the flu, but alleviates symptoms of the flu like coughing. Slendersickness has symptoms that can be treated like any other symptom.

Just because Slendersickness is supernatural doesn't mean that the medicines can't help even if it can't stop the root cause. (Which is how most medicines work anyhow.)

Though I think Tim's pills probably are both. They do treat symptoms and are actually meds, but his belief in them helping might cause them to do more than what they are supposed to.

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Lheai wrote:
Okay, I didn't see anyone mention it and I'm not sure if it has any significance or not, but both of the pictures of Alex and Tim would have been filmed/captured by Hoody (assuming the middle pic is Alex from Entry 68, I'm convinced the other pic is Tim having the seizure in Entry 61). Going by the theory that Oppy feeds off of memories captured by camera, could this mean that Hoody was present at the Oppy encounter? It could imply that Jay is Hoody, but personally I think that it's Brian or one of the other original MH cast/crew members. I didn't see anyone/thing in the window behind Oppy, but I could be wrong, the whole thing was so heavily distorted and pixely that there's really no telling. Another possibility is that the moving shadows and stuff as Tim was running through the grass looking for Jay was Hoody/whoever.


Nice observation! Is this the first time that footage from a DIFFERENT camera has appeared in an entry (without editing by Jay)? I skimmed through the other entries on the wiki page and I can't find any cases of it happening before. I think the fact that both images are from Hoody's camera may be significant.

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 		So is the possibility of Tim working with TO out the window at this point, or could that still work.

A lot of people are saying that Tim was showing affection toward jay, so the possibilities of Tim "working" with TO is thrown out the window. However, that might not be the case.

Look at Alex, he may have been a little more edgier than Tim, and a lot more suspicious, but he did "pretend" to work with Jay for an extended period of time.

So is it possible that Tim is just pretending? It seems he has gone from a "Look what you've done to my life" personality to a "You're not alone man" personality far to quickly. It honestly bugs me a bit. I feel like maybe he is using Jay, which would upset me.

Another thing to bring up is how Tim has seen and thwarted TO more times than anyone, starting from his childhood. What if TO is his fault, like he said before, and now he is using Jay to take most of the "damage."

Like, seriously. How does Tim escape Rosswood park while being chased down by OP, but Jay can't handle a simple stare-down? I feel like there is more going on.

Another theory is what if TO is trying to show Tm things. I forget what entry, but TO warps Tim to "Oppy world," shows him the guy that no longer has a face, and just lets him leave. What if TO was showing him what could happen if he doesn't stop Alex? Maybe Alex has control over Oppy now, somehow.

Kinda crazy, but plausible.

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missingnocchi wrote:
Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Oppy mind tricks do not work on the camera, only film -- for example, Entry #17, where no one either sees or acknowledges T.O. outside the window, but the camera clearly captures him, distortion and all


If TO can remain unseen when he's there, he can probably make himself seen when he isn't. Technically that's hallucination, but I think it's directly Operator-caused. As in, TO was there somewhere, but for whatever reason wanted Jay to see him and no one else.


Except, as multiple people have said before, the Operator is unable to fool the camera. That is why, when he is invisible to people, he is still visible on the film. It's one of the reasons everyone films themselves (other than just the memory issues). And, if you review the footage, you can easily see that the Operator was not in the field when Jay hallucinated.

Kraehtot wrote:
One thing that makes me think more in the "door teleportation theory" is that the first time they open the basement's door, it is really dark inside. I mean, it obviously was going to be darker than the rest of the house, but when they open the door it is so dark that you don't even imagine there are windows down there. Well, I have never seen a basement with windows before, so I cannot really say how dark should it be. Has someone had/been in one so can tell us if I'm wrong?


I've been in a basement with windows similar to the one in the video's before. If the windows are thick enough, or put in right, all an inside viewer would be able to determine is how much light there is outside, not much detail (which I think is what we see in the video). The basement itself is still pretty dark -- navigable, but nowheres near bright. And from their view, I can see how it would be dark.

However, a lot of this doesn't matter, and the "door teleportation" theory has one problem it has yet to address: the fact that, when they arrived, the sun was high and it was bright, yet while in the house (only a few minutes later), it was sunset.
I need to re-watch the video, but I'm sure that there are other examples.

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