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MDHDZN
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OOG, so i will put it in spoilers
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Anyone else notice that in the Troy Moves Out video, there is a house behind the driveway, while in Entry 72, there isn't. Also, since the house was used half a year ago in the vid, it is fair to say they still live there, meaning they had to empty every room for filming. The pre-shooting work for this entry must have taken forever!

Btw, this is my first post on the forums. Hello everyone! Hope I didn't screw this post up...

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Hazman wrote:
Folk wrote:

Anagrams of all the letters in his name include Ex-leak liar, A axe killer, Relax I leak, I relax kale, I relax lake, Kill ear axe, La Ark Exile. There are lots of coincidences when it comes to anagrams. I don't think any of them are significant.


It's obviously an anagram of 'A axe killer'. It's foreshadowing Alex's murdering spree.
I dunno, I think it's Axe Liar Elk, meaning we should kill the lying elk with a woodsman's axe.

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MDHDZN wrote:
OOG, so i will put it in spoilers
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Anyone else notice that in the Troy Moves Out video, there is a house behind the driveway, while in Entry 72, there isn't. Also, since the house was used half a year ago in the vid, it is fair to say they still live there, meaning they had to empty every room for filming. The pre-shooting work for this entry must have taken forever!

Btw, this is my first post on the forums. Hello everyone! Hope I didn't screw this post up...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
They've said in some interview or other that when they shot Troy Moves Out, Troy was actually moving out at the time, and they shot the whole thing in one day before he left. It's possible Tim and Joseph still live there, though... or they just got special permission to use the empty house. I don't really know.


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Janthran
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I've gone as far as P.23 of this thread at the time of posting, so sorry if someone already mentioned this afterwards.
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Okay, so someone said something similar to what I'm about to say, but here it is anyway. The distortion isn't TO's fault, it's Jay's. Like when someone is worried that TO might show up, it distorts. Note how there's a lot of static when Jay freaks out in this entry, but it goes away and there's no distortion when Jay points the camera RIGHT AT TO.
The only reason TO can affect anyone at all is if they're scared, so Tim was able to stand against him by pushing his fear into the back of his mind.
Maybe?

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I'm pretty sure the house we saw in Entry 72 was the same house in Entry 1 and Entry 6-- they looked identical, architecturally.

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Janthran wrote:
I've gone as far as P.23 of this thread at the time of posting, so sorry if someone already mentioned this afterwards.
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Okay, so someone said something similar to what I'm about to say, but here it is anyway. The distortion isn't TO's fault, it's Jay's. Like when someone is worried that TO might show up, it distorts. Note how there's a lot of static when Jay freaks out in this entry, but it goes away and there's no distortion when Jay points the camera RIGHT AT TO.
The only reason TO can affect anyone at all is if they're scared, so Tim was able to stand against him by pushing his fear into the back of his mind.
Maybe?


So its sort of like the OP never created distortion in the first place and any distortion was created by the victims instead.

That's an interesting spin on things. It makes sense in a way too.

Though it seems that at least some distortion needed to come from the OP, like the season 1 visual tears.

Either way we know from season one that the OP's presence doesn't necessarily cause distortion and that some other characters have shown to create it when scared or angry.

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Janthran wrote:
I've gone as far as P.23 of this thread at the time of posting, so sorry if someone already mentioned this afterwards.
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Okay, so someone said something similar to what I'm about to say, but here it is anyway. The distortion isn't TO's fault, it's Jay's. Like when someone is worried that TO might show up, it distorts. Note how there's a lot of static when Jay freaks out in this entry, but it goes away and there's no distortion when Jay points the camera RIGHT AT TO.
The only reason TO can affect anyone at all is if they're scared, so Tim was able to stand against him by pushing his fear into the back of his mind.
Maybe?


I posted this a before but a little more in depth. We've seen alex and jessica both cause the same minor distortion when TO wasn't around. It's implied that whoever is "targetted" by the operator has some kind of his "energy" inside of them that causes distortion just like he does, but it only shows when their emotions (paranoia, fear, anger) rise to way above average levels.

Wouldn't be surprised if they reveal the operator travels in 4 dimensions, and he actually was there when Jay saw him (jay was just seeing into the "slenderverse")

I'm not 100% sold on either idea, but there have been multiple times we've seen both happen.


edit: there is never (well, maybe one time with jessica) video distortion coming from his targets, only audible distortion

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Marble Hornets wrote:

Wouldn't be surprised if they reveal the operator travels in 4 dimensions


This is little more than a nitpick, but in my crusade for better techno/Eldritchbabble I am compelled to point out that everything travels in four dimensions, since the fourth dimension is time. Every one travels across spacetime, even if we can only perceive three of the four.

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Xicon wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:

Wouldn't be surprised if they reveal the operator travels in 4 dimensions


This is little more than a nitpick, but in my crusade for better techno/Eldritchbabble I am compelled to point out that everything travels in four dimensions, since the fourth dimension is time. Every one travels across spacetime, even if we can only perceive three of the four.

/physics geek on crusade


We're not just dealing with physics, here. We're dealing with metaphysics. The Operator is clearly not of this world, and operates (no pun intended) outside the realm of human understanding. For all we know, there are more than the traditional "four dimensions" (height, length, thickness and time) as when you look into things like 'string theory' it states that there are far more than seventeen different dimensions operating on levels so small they're impossible to perceive.

I don't believe in science, though, so I'm sure it's just freaky-deeky Operator voodoo magic.

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Xicon wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:

Wouldn't be surprised if they reveal the operator travels in 4 dimensions


This is little more than a nitpick, but in my crusade for better techno/Eldritchbabble I am compelled to point out that everything travels in four dimensions, since the fourth dimension is time. Every one travels across spacetime, even if we can only perceive three of the four.

/physics geek on crusade


I think its more along the lines of that we can perceive time, but we cannot travel through it. We're carried along the stream like a boat without paddles.

But on that note, he said four dimensions not the fourth dimension. The OP might be traveling through an additional dimension, but it need not be the dimension of time.

Funnily enough I'm suddenly reminded of a story a Calculus teacher came up with that reminds me of the OP. The idea was that a 2D dot was person. He's able to see and travel in 2D, but has no ability to perceive the third dimension though he can perceive the fourth and thus knows about time.

Now imagine your finger being placed in the 2D dotman's house. Suddenly a 2D dotman-like thing appears. The thing being the part of your finger touching his world. Dotman can't perceive the third dimension and therefore can't see any of you other than the part of you that touches his world. To him you look like him, but then not quite quite like him. You can move through walls as well as disappear and reappear at random. He can't escape you because he's got nowhere to go that you can't get to. Nothing he does can bother you because even if he wounds you all he did was hurt your finger tip. And to freak him out more when he does wound you use a different finger. To him it would look like you regenerated. You can spend days just screwing with Dotman and nothing can stop you. Dotman will never be able to figure out what is happening.

Perhaps this is what the operator is. A piece of an extra-dimensional being from a dimension we can't perceive. What we see is what comes into contact with our world. Maybe interaction with the OP is making his victims aware of the extra dimension and slowly causing them to perceive it...

Though I don't think that this is anywhere near the case, but I thought it was interesting. Razz

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To go further on with the "Jay is seeing things on another level" theory, I remembered in...what was it, Entry 45 where Masky and Hoody gave Alex a beat down? In that, they see something, presumably TO, that makes them run away, but Alex's behavior seems to indicate that he doesn't know why they ran (he screams "What?!" etc.). Perhaps they were having the "hallucinations", and TO was really there in some manner.

Or, I could just be grasping at straws, but since it's a time-honored Unforum tradition, I make no apology for it. Razz

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I know we have talked about time manipulation or time shifting in a general sense, but what do these terms mean?

For the sake of physicality, let us assume that The Operator cannot change the location or rotation of the Earth, nor the gargantuanly larger-massed Sun, and thus cannot change the astronomical time. How does he change then, the day to night?

I propose that in this situation, the ability be more limited and complicated than we would think at first, mainly because we know The Operator is likely not omniscient.

There are four less obscenely speculative options.

1. The Operator uses his neurological manipulation to only make it seem like it is dark (i.e. darken the sky and blot out the sun), and then subsequently makes Jay and Tim pass out during the confrontation, to "catch up" time to their perceptions when it is dark. This would make sense, but it would require some massive distortion on the camera's recording to compress the massive amount of time it would take to catch up, so this is less likely.

2. Akin to some other time dilation theories, The Operator makes Jay and Tim's perceptions of time vastly speed up relative to reality. This means that while they see the time changing normally, in reality, they are moving incredibly slow and thinking incredibly slow, so it only seems to them that they're moving normally, and time is in fact moving faster from their reference frame. There is, however, no explanation for how the camera records them normally, unless TO manipulates that too, which is unlikely. I don't like this theory; it is less plausible than the others.

3. My personal favorite is that TO actually paralyzes and freezes Jay and Tim (and the cameras) as they move into the basement until the time is appropriately late. If this sort of manipulation is possible, it would require the least effort, have no observable holes, and make their reactions and recordings seem seamless to their reference frames. In this situation, TO is not actually manipulating time. He is instead manipulating space and matter to make it appear like he is manipulating time. (This would be consistent with teleportation as well.) An added bonus to this theory is that it has an upside to the people he uses it in; if he freezes their neurological processes, he cannot interfere with their minds in other ways, and thus they are "invulnerable" until unfrozen, which makes sense considering that there is no distortion or "mindfucking" going on at the moment or around the moment of it changing to night.

4. He physically changes time through some manner unknown. I don't like this because it really doesn't explain the physical manner in which he is magically changing time. That sort of power to manipulate the entropic and energetic properties of the universe, even if it had a limited range, is simply too strong relative to the other abilities and their strengths that he displays. Why would an omniscient being have trouble putting down a defiant Tim? Why doesn't he kill them outright, or completely eat their memories? It's too inconsistent.

Sorry for the wall of text.

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Ithilwen22 wrote:
To go further on with the "Jay is seeing things on another level" theory, I remembered in...what was it, Entry 45 where Masky and Hoody gave Alex a beat down? In that, they see something, presumably TO, that makes them run away, but Alex's behavior seems to indicate that he doesn't know why they ran (he screams "What?!" etc.). Perhaps they were having the "hallucinations", and TO was really there in some manner.

Or, I could just be grasping at straws, but since it's a time-honored Unforum tradition, I make no apology for it. Razz


I am so bored right now...

On a side note, I rather like this idea of people perceiving TO on another dimension, but I somehow doubt that's the angle they're going for.

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TheJoker wrote:
Ithilwen22 wrote:
To go further on with the "Jay is seeing things on another level" theory, I remembered in...what was it, Entry 45 where Masky and Hoody gave Alex a beat down? In that, they see something, presumably TO, that makes them run away, but Alex's behavior seems to indicate that he doesn't know why they ran (he screams "What?!" etc.). Perhaps they were having the "hallucinations", and TO was really there in some manner.

Or, I could just be grasping at straws, but since it's a time-honored Unforum tradition, I make no apology for it. Razz


I am so bored right now...

On a side note, I rather like this idea of people perceiving TO on another dimension, but I somehow doubt that's the angle they're going for.


You deserve a Stroopwafel for this. Well played. Well played indeed. Very Happy

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uxya wrote:
I know we have talked about time manipulation or time shifting in a general sense, but what do these terms mean?
(snip*
Sorry for the wall of text.


Well, I was think the OP can mess with a person's perception of time.

Like for instance slow down a person's thought processes. Time would pass faster for the person but they would feel like time was passing normally.

Though in this case the presence of a camera would be a problem unless the camera can be altered as well... which I think it can.

There's a handful of cases where the camera cuts out only to turn back on by itself as if it never stopped running. Now sometimes this can be chalked up to Jay editing out stuff, but there's a couple of instances where the cameras would have been on filming for a while (like when Tim was attacked by Alex) and that seemed like it would be too much for a tape.

On that note, I think the OP and possibly others can freeze the camera in time. Stop it from working but it doesn't use batteries and still is considered on when the freeze lifts.

I don't really know if there will ever be an explanation for what is happening in story though. I think it will be something ambiguous that the OP can just do.

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