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TheSupremeFace
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Zarggg wrote:
"Speculation" is meaningless without any kind of evidence supporting it.

I could just as well "speculate" that Jessica was really an alien who got called back to the mothership and that's why she's been missing since the hotel.

Regarding "origins," I was under the impression that they only stated that the story Alex was telling Jay in the woods was not an origin story.


Well i'm keeping the origins category unless enough people think it's pointless

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TheJoker
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Zarggg wrote:
"Speculation" is meaningless without any kind of evidence supporting it.

I could just as well "speculate" that Jessica was really an alien who got called back to the mothership and that's why she's been missing since the hotel.

Regarding "origins," I was under the impression that they only stated that the story Alex was telling Jay in the woods was not an origin story.

But Jessica is an alien...

And yes, I've heard that the spooky story wasn't an origins story. I don't know where that info's from, though...

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TheJoker wrote:
But Jessica is an alien...


No, no, Joker, you mean Sarah is an alien.

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Lithp
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Geneaux486 wrote:
I think we can all agree that he's a hollow on the verge of becoming an arrancar.


I put Slenderman in as an Arrancar in a Bleach RP once when I needed filler. Kind of like Ayon, only slender & stalking rather than huge & beastly. Slenderman lends itself easily to cameos.

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"Can mimic human speech": The only evidence people use in support of this was the strange "hello" echo. This has not been referenced in the series ever since that entry.


And? Even if it only happened once, it still happened. The only other explanation is distortion, & if that's the case, that particular distortion has ALSO only happened once.

We had this exact same debate over whether or not time distortion happened....

I kind of like the idea of a speculation category, but I'm not sure how to decide what's good enough to put in.

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
But Jessica is an alien...


No, no, Joker, you mean Sarah is an alien.

No, that gives Sarah far too much significance.

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@Lithp: The important part is that it was never referenced by the characters since then. We literally have no basis to form a theory about it other than it was an echo that we heard.

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TheSupremeFace
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Zarggg wrote:
@Lithp: The important part is that it was never referenced by the characters since then. We literally have no basis to form a theory about it other than it was an echo that we heard.


Yeah I thought that Hello thing was audio distortion, and it was only a one time thing. I'm not putting it in.

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TheSupremeFace wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
"Speculation" is meaningless without any kind of evidence supporting it.

I could just as well "speculate" that Jessica was really an alien who got called back to the mothership and that's why she's been missing since the hotel.

Regarding "origins," I was under the impression that they only stated that the story Alex was telling Jay in the woods was not an origin story.


Well i'm keeping the origins category unless enough people think it's pointless


But it's not an origins story, they blatantly said it's not.

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Camero
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I should say, when I said "mimic human speech", I was just looking for the fastest way to refer to the event. I figure a thread like this should have speculation section with some weird stuff that we're not sure what to make of.

If it were to go in, probably better to just describe what happened. That's actually likely the best way to do speculation: i.e. instead of saying "Can transform into a manatee", we'd just say "In Entry 98, Operator is offscreen for a moment, and moments later, a manatee is seen in his place."

Also, perhaps it's too obvious, but should we mention that we know the limbs can and do move, or that he's capable of walking? I do recall some theory way back that suggested the only way the thing could move was through teleportation...but perhaps it's too out there.

We've also seen him turn his head more than once to "look at" someone--whether he's actually got something resembling "eyes" or some sort of sensory organ in his head could be something to put in speculation.

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Just wanted to throw in my two cents here, with regards to "can create slight facial features" and "can change own height". I understand this is speculation, but I wanted to put forward my opinion on these, that they are just OOG things that are unavoidable depending on how they created TO in that particular entry. I think we would have known way sooner than 70+ entries into this that TO could give himself a bit of a face if he wanted to, which also seems like an ability that would be almost completely irrelevant to the story in any way. I think it much more likely that due to the lighting and shadows, and positioning of that particular scene, there wasn't much the guys could do to completely blank it out.

[ADD] On a similar tangent, I feel there's a certain need to suspend disbelief with some parts of this, that some ideas from S1 were scrapped or not written back in, and might not appear again. That's not to say don't speculate on them, as they are clearly trying to include as many as they can and are doing a pretty good job of it too, but I'd be wary of trying to build whole theories on them. That, and, as has been discussed by people in this and other threads & myself here already, some things are OOG things that were unavoidable during production.

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ToTheFading wrote:
Just wanted to throw in my two cents here, with regards to "can create slight facial features" and "can change own height". I understand this is speculation, but I wanted to put forward my opinion on these, that they are just OOG things that are unavoidable depending on how they created TO in that particular entry. I think we would have known way sooner than 70+ entries into this that TO could give himself a bit of a face if he wanted to, which also seems like an ability that would be almost completely irrelevant to the story in any way. I think it much more likely that due to the lighting and shadows, and positioning of that particular scene, there wasn't much the guys could do to completely blank it out.

[ADD] On a similar tangent, I feel there's a certain need to suspend disbelief with some parts of this, that some ideas from S1 were scrapped or not written back in, and might not appear again. That's not to say don't speculate on them, as they are clearly trying to include as many as they can and are doing a pretty good job of it too, but I'd be wary of trying to build whole theories on them. That, and, as has been discussed by people in this and other threads & myself here already, some things are OOG things that were unavoidable during production.


Thing is we won't know what's true until the very end...or if Troy come out and says what was scrapped...until now we theorize about what we see in the videos. Note that i'm only placing speculations with good support....with this in mind i'm removing the origins category as it doesn't seem to be a big concern

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ToTheFading
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I see what you're saying and understand why they're included, I hope I didn't come across as too critical of the thread or idea behind it. I just wanted to offer an alternative to what I felt were the weakest speculations listed.

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Ztakk
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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
TheSupremeFace wrote:
That's why there's a SPECULATION category Razz

-----------------EDIT------------------
Added an "Origins" category, as well as boxing each category with the Quote forum code


For what it's worth, apparently Trosephim have stated that T.O. has no origin story -- I have not actually heard this myself, but I have it on good authority (which is to say, Lithp Cool ) that this is so.

However. The creepy story that Alex tells Jay in Entry 38 would imply that T.O is the result of some cruel and unusual punishment meted out to child molesters...


They said in the DVD Commentary during that scene that it was NOT an origin story.

As for the mimic human speech and changing height, changing height I would say is more of a speculated ability (maybe?). We've seen TO apparently change height between entries, but it's never been a real shown power of his. The mimic speech I don't think ever happened, I just think it was distortion. It only happened once (if at all) and never happened again. To me if it was one of TO's powers, then it'd be more prevalent in the series.

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Toadbert
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I'd be willing to believe the hello's were distortion too. The audio the whole time Jay's in the basement sounds off, and he doesn't respond to the hello's at all.

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Lithp
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Zarggg wrote:
@Lithp: The important part is that it was never referenced by the characters since then. We literally have no basis to form a theory about it other than it was an echo that we heard.


So what? The characters rarely ever reference anything that The Operator does. We know it's caused by The Operator in some sense, because the other things that Jay says in the Basement of Doom don't echo like that.

Now, we can split hairs & say that we don't know whether The Operator made the sound itself, warped the sound from Jay's voice, recorded him because it's wearing a wire, whatever, but again, that's true of virtually everything that The Operator does.

We don't know exactly what distortion is. We don't know exactly how its teleportation works. We don't know exactly how it senses the presence of those nearby. We don't know exactly what "slendersickness" is. We don't know exactly how its hypnosis works. But we know for a fact that it does do all of these things.

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