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Do you trust Tim?
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thisistheend
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I trust Alex.

Honestly, due to Jay being an unreliable narrator, I trust no one.

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Janthran
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Craig Digsby wrote:
AdamRPendleton wrote:
I'm not sure if anybody has seen my posts on other threads, but I think the most interesting and thought provoking direction Marble Hornets could go for the ending is making Tim the main bad guy. There is so many clues I feel pointing towards this conclusion, but for most, his beauty and magnificence blinds us to see him as anything other than perfect.


Main villain? Don't we already have tall, pale and faceless for that?
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Usually the main villain is in plain sight and just has a fall guy to pretend to be the main villain. Haven't you read like, Sherlock Holmes or whatever?

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SilentMedusa
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I do. Mainly because my poor brain can barely keep up with the kudzu plot as it is, without adding another vine to the tangle.

However, I do think Tim could be hiding something. What that is, I don't know. Maybe it was, in fact, TIM who killed Brian (in his first instance of Masking-out) and not Alex (which he would clearly be ashamed of). Maybe he lied about not remembering his childhood hallucinations. Maybe he knows exactly why The Operator was after him, and then went after everybody else.

I have the feeling we're due for another 'revelation' about Tim, and I think I know what it'll be: he wasn't stalked by TO as a child; he didn't have any contact with It until he got involved with Alex's apparently cursed film project. He spent his childhood in a mental hospital because he had a very serious psychiatric disorder that required in-patient care. And his Masked persona wasn't created by TO in order to gain a 'proxy'; it was the natural result of an already damaged mind being confronted with something terrifying and impossible, but undeniably THERE.

Why do I suspect the above? Two reasons. 1) The whole "it started with Tim, it'll end with him/ full circle" thing just seems like too neat an ending. and 2) it would be nice to have one 'big reveal' about Tim that we didn't see coming from a mile away. Plus, my was he isn't the bad guy Razz.

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Tim might NOT have psychiatric issues...

SilentMedusa wrote:
I do. Mainly because my poor brain can barely keep up with the kudzu plot as it is, without adding another vine to the tangle.

However, I do think Tim could be hiding something. What that is, I don't know. Maybe it was, in fact, TIM who killed Brian (in his first instance of Masking-out) and not Alex (which he would clearly be ashamed of). Maybe he lied about not remembering his childhood hallucinations. Maybe he knows exactly why The Operator was after him, and then went after everybody else.

I have the feeling we're due for another 'revelation' about Tim, and I think I know what it'll be: he wasn't stalked by TO as a child; he didn't have any contact with It until he got involved with Alex's apparently cursed film project. He spent his childhood in a mental hospital because he had a very serious psychiatric disorder that required in-patient care. And his Masked persona wasn't created by TO in order to gain a 'proxy'; it was the natural result of an already damaged mind being confronted with something terrifying and impossible, but undeniably THERE.

Why do I suspect the above? Two reasons. 1) The whole "it started with Tim, it'll end with him/ full circle" thing just seems like too neat an ending. and 2) it would be nice to have one 'big reveal' about Tim that we didn't see coming from a mile away. Plus, my was he isn't the bad guy Razz.


That would be interesting. My personal beliefs about Tim have for a while been that he isn't a true schizophrenic. Instead, he has epilepsy, and while there's clearly something neurologically wrong with his head, it wouldn't have manifested as schizophrenic symptoms without TO's influence.

My reasoning behind this is that his Masky episodes are linked with seizures (he has a seizure, is Masky for a while, has another seizure, and wakes up as Tim again). In addition, in #61 he reaches for his pills right before having a seizure, hinting that the anti-Slendy drugs might be for epilepsy, not any psychiatric issues. As long as Tim takes those drugs, he doesn't have seizures, and he doesn't have hallucinations, delusions, or Masky episodes. He has absolutely NO schizophrenic symptoms at all otherwise.

This has led me to believe that TO induces Slender-sickness symptoms primarily through seizures (and remember that seizures can vary greatly in severity—it isn't always as dramatic as Tim in #61). All human beings have seizure thresholds, which is why all humans are susceptible to Slender-sickness. However, an epileptic such as Tim is going to be even more vulnerable, which is why his symptoms are so much worse (to the point of resembling schizophrenia).


As for the "it started with Tim" theory, the reason I don't believe it is "enttry 37". I mean, it could be an original tape that TTA edited later, but it gives me the feeling that the message is: "This has been going on for longer than you think." And perhaps it just wasn't until Alex was working on MH when he realized it.

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SilentMedusa
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True. Also, I think I read somewhere that some anti-convulsants (that someone with epilepsy would be taking) are also used for psychiatric purposes - which would explain why the drugs Tim is taking also suppress his Masked persona.

On a different note, maybe it started with Alex AND Tim. In Entry #70 I think it was, Alex is telling Amy about how someone told him about a possible filming location, and what a funny coincidence it was because he "grew up in that same area". Presumably he meant the burnt-out hospital, which meant Tim was the one who told him about it. Think about that. Tim and Alex came from the same area, and now they're both have Operator trouble. I smell a showdown coming.

ETA: okay, you can ignore that last paragraph. I just went back and watched the Entry, and I heard it wrong. What Alex actually said was that someone he got "to play one of the smaller parts" (presumably Tim) came from the same place where Amy was going to school. Although, this maybe creates another mystery. Alex says to Tim in passing that Amy's going to school in the place he (Tim) grew up. Years later TO attacks and Amy goes missing. Maybe the reason Alex was after Tim the next time we saw him was because he thought Tim had done something to to Amy, or knew where she was. Assuming Alex ever was looking for her and it wasn't all a ploy of some kind.

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I trust him at the moment, though the fact that he used to be Masky obviously raises a pervasive concern that he could go into remission and become dangerous once again.

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abcetc wrote:
I trust him at the moment, though the fact that he used to be Masky obviously raises a pervasive concern that he could come out of remission and become dangerous once again.

I believe he's in remission already...

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thisistheend wrote:
Honestly, due to Jay being an unreliable narrator, I trust no one.


I really wish people would stop calling Jay and unreliable narrator. He's never done anything worthy to be called unreliable.

He has absolutely no reason to lie to us when he willingly puts all this on youtube. So he might not have told us right away about filming himself years ago. So what?

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McGregor wrote:
thisistheend wrote:
Honestly, due to Jay being an unreliable narrator, I trust no one.


I really wish people would stop calling Jay and unreliable narrator. He's never done anything worthy to be called unreliable.

He has absolutely no reason to lie to us when he willingly puts all this on youtube. So he might not have told us right away about filming himself years ago. So what?


THIS. I for one never thought of Jay as an unreliable narrator. Filming himself wasn't noteworthy at the time until Masky broke into his house and he found out that he had been disappearing for hours.

To this day, I shake my head whenever "unreliable narrator" is brought up.
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Kinda. I mean, Tim is hiding something but what if he doesn't know? Like Masky knows something but Tim doesn't. Its hard to believe that within those amazing sideburns lies Masky, the Anti-Proxy.
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Craig Digsby wrote:
McGregor wrote:
thisistheend wrote:
Honestly, due to Jay being an unreliable narrator, I trust no one.


I really wish people would stop calling Jay and unreliable narrator. He's never done anything worthy to be called unreliable.

He has absolutely no reason to lie to us when he willingly puts all this on youtube. So he might not have told us right away about filming himself years ago. So what?


THIS. I for one never thought of Jay as an unreliable narrator. Filming himself wasn't noteworthy at the time until Masky broke into his house and he found out that he had been disappearing for hours.

To this day, I shake my head whenever "unreliable narrator" is brought up.
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I have a lot of respect for Jay, despite his mistakes, and I don't like it when people shit all over him. I have referred to him as a possibly unreliable narrator before, not because I believe he lies, but because of the influence of TO. After all, he didn't remember the events of #71 correctly. That's what makes him unreliable. That's what makes everyone unreliable, which is why they depend so heavily on recorded footage, and why this series is so damn interesting. Twisted Evil

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CenturyChild wrote:
I have referred to him as a possibly unreliable narrator before, not because I believe he lies, but because of the influence of TO. After all, he didn't remember the events of #71 correctly. That's what makes him unreliable.

Exactly. People calling Jay an unreliable narrator is not synonymous with them calling him a liar. Jay means well, but he doesn't remember things that the footage shows have clearly happened in the past. This is why he is unreliable — not because he is deliberately disingenuous, but rather because he lacks the proper information to be completely factual with us. No one's picking on Jay, they're just being frank about the immutable circumstances surrounding his credibility.

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SilentMedusa
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It pains me to say this, because I'm an unapologetic Tim fangirl, but in light of Entry #74, I have to revise my opinion.

I still don't think he's a villain per se, but there's definitely something going on with him. And I don't think we're going to like it when we find out what it is.

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I trust Tim.

He has the most experience with the pills and seems to be the most willful character at this point. Something bad is on that tape and it will shed light on Tim that Tim doesn't want shown, but I think he hid it from regret and guilt, not as a trophy.

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Sha Noran wrote:
I trust Tim.

He has the most experience with the pills and seems to be the most willful character at this point. Something bad is on that tape and it will shed light on Tim that Tim doesn't want shown, but I think he hid it from regret and guilt, not as a trophy.


Agreed. Team Tim forever.

(Though there's a part of me that really wants to see what's on that tape. Twisted Evil )

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